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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 31, 2020 13:13:48 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 15:51:21 GMT -5
Puffy been scummy for years...I remember when Suge called him out at the source awards with the famous speech about BEIN ALL IN THE VIDEO
I remember the first time I ever truly paid attention and really noticed it was on the original season of making the band and I cannot remember off the top of my head but heard stories like the girls that made it through on the show he got them "favors" from them and stories like that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 15:52:10 GMT -5
Always thought Diddy was a piece of shit.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 16:03:09 GMT -5
Yeah Diddy g-ahem, Love gotta address this asap.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 31, 2020 16:12:30 GMT -5
Puffy been scummy for years...I remember when Suge called him out at the source awards with the famous speech about BEIN ALL IN THE VIDEO I remember the first time I ever truly paid attention and really noticed it was on the original season of making the band and I cannot remember off the top of my head but heard stories like the girls that made it through on the show he got them "favors" from them and stories like that. People been saying this for a long damn time. He did Craig Mack bad |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 31, 2020 16:13:10 GMT -5
Yeah Diddy g-ahem, Love gotta address this asap. He going try to ignore it unless other people press him. Craig Mack can’t cause he’s gone but he did him bad too |
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Jan 31, 2020 16:15:41 GMT -5
Has he apologised yet for ruining Every Breath You Take?
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Post by jimmyjackezekiel on Jan 31, 2020 16:15:46 GMT -5
Didn't Eminem accuse him of putting out a hit on 2Pac? Or are we talking about a different Diddy? (Though I doubt there's two guys named Diddy with the nickname Puffy so I must sound like an ignoramous right now.)
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Post by jimmyjackezekiel on Jan 31, 2020 16:18:11 GMT -5
Has he apologised yet for ruining Every Breath You Take? Tell that to this guy. *LANGUAGE WARNING* |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 31, 2020 16:30:59 GMT -5
Didn't Eminem accuse him of putting out a hit on 2Pac? Or are we talking about a different Diddy? (Though I doubt there's two guys named Diddy with the nickname Puffy so I must sound like an ignoramous right now.) There is only 1 Diddy/Puffy/P Diddy But yes, he was accused of that and in circles accused of setting up Biggie too. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 16:36:52 GMT -5
I still wholely believe he atleast had a hand in Biggies death...because in such circumstances all you have to do is look at who benefited the most from such a high profile death and no one benefited more than Puffy.
Hell not even Suge benefited as much or even at all from Pacs death and just about everyone believed he had Pac killed as much as Puffy did from Biggies death.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Jan 31, 2020 16:43:28 GMT -5
Didn’t Shyne do fifteen years for him or am I getting my history mixed up ?
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 31, 2020 16:45:45 GMT -5
I still wholely believe he atleast had a hand in Biggies death...because in such circumstances all you have to do is look at who benefited the most from such a high profile death and no one benefited more than Puffy. Hell not even Suge benefited as much or even at all from Pacs death and just about everyone believed he had Pac killed as much as Puffy did from Biggies death. There is a ton of rumors and conspiracies behind that I believe the cop a few years ago released a book tying Diddy to the Pac murder saying he put a hit on Pac and in return Suge put a hit on Biggie The rumor that never stopped circulating is that both Suge and Puff planned this whole thing so they can walk away as the leaders but as said Suge didn't really end up with shit but Diddy got the whole Bad Boys Empire |
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Post by chazraps on Jan 31, 2020 16:47:23 GMT -5
I still wholely believe he atleast had a hand in Biggies death...because in such circumstances all you have to do is look at who benefited the most from such a high profile death and no one benefited more than Puffy. Hell not even Suge benefited as much or even at all from Pacs death and just about everyone believed he had Pac killed as much as Puffy did from Biggies death. Puffy didn't really benefit from Biggie's death. Even just looking at the economics, Biggie was happy with Bad Boy and was the flagship artist Puff had his whole company on. It took literally years for any artist after him to have a second Bad Boy release while still with the label and left Puff for years without a sureshot crossover superstar. Looking at the outpout completed after Biggie's death, you had two costly post-humous albums made from scraped together unused rejected Biggie verses and that's really it. No Biggie tours, no Biggie endorsement, no Biggie clothing line, no Biggie acting roles. He really didn't benefit at all. Nobody really believes Puff had a hand in Big's death or that Suge had a hand in Pac's at this point, despite that being the easy marketable narrative. Truth be told, both of their deaths was on some gang shit, and it speaks volumes to how street violence and its implications were and still are massively underreported and still underreported that a music industry conspiracy is the prevalent go-to for some. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 31, 2020 16:48:31 GMT -5
Didn’t Shyne do fifteen years for him or am I getting my history mixed up ? Shyne ended up doing 10 years for the nightclub shooting that involved Diddy and J-Lo Diddy got not time and was acquitted of all charges |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 31, 2020 16:51:19 GMT -5
I still wholely believe he atleast had a hand in Biggies death...because in such circumstances all you have to do is look at who benefited the most from such a high profile death and no one benefited more than Puffy. Hell not even Suge benefited as much or even at all from Pacs death and just about everyone believed he had Pac killed as much as Puffy did from Biggies death. Nobody really believes Puff had a hand in Big's death or that Suge had a hand in Pac's at this point, despite that being the easy marketable narrative. Truth be told, both of their deaths was on some gang shit, and it speaks volumes to how street violence and its implications were and still are massively underreported and still underreported that a music industry conspiracy is the prevalent go-to for some. Yea, I wouldn't say that Off the logistics itself, he had to be making money off those Biggie re-release albums and his own tributes he was doing. Puffy as an artist was still the same but Bad Boys itself was his brand now where he was the face and the leader If you want to argue the benefit is overblown that's one thing but he def benefited |
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Post by chazraps on Jan 31, 2020 16:52:06 GMT -5
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Post by chazraps on Jan 31, 2020 16:56:12 GMT -5
Puffy didn't really benefit from Biggie's death. Even just looking at the economics, Biggie was happy with Bad Boy and was the flagship artist Puff had his whole company on. It took literally years for any artist after him to have a second Bad Boy release while still with the label and left Puff for years without a sureshot crossover superstar. Looking at the outpout completed after Biggie's death, you had two costly post-humous albums made from scraped together unused rejected Biggie verses and that's really it. No Biggie tours, no Biggie endorsement, no Biggie clothing line, no Biggie acting roles. He really didn't benefit at all.Nobody really believes Puff had a hand in Big's death or that Suge had a hand in Pac's at this point, despite that being the easy marketable narrative. Truth be told, both of their deaths was on some gang shit, and it speaks volumes to how street violence and its implications were and still are massively underreported and still underreported that a music industry conspiracy is the prevalent go-to for some. Yea, I wouldn't say that Off the logistics itself, he had to be making money off those Biggie re-release albums and his own tributes he was doing. Puffy as an artist was still the same but Bad Boys itself was his brand now where he was the face and the leader If you want to argue the benefit is overblown that's one thing but he def benefited You think those re-releases and tributes brought him more money than original Biggie material and tours would have? It doesn't make sense. Puff and Bad Boy really didn't fair well after the post-Biggie material started coming out. Mase's 'Double Up' flopped, Puff's sophomore album 'Forever' vastly underperformed, Black Rob's "Whoa" was a hit but his legacy ended there, same with G-Dep's "Special Delivery." Bad Boy was in such a bad place in 2000 that they pivoted to pop R&B music in Dream and experimented with bringing Craig Mack back. Neither Puff nor Bad Boy benefitted from Biggie's death when compared to the trajectory they would have had with Biggie alive. It just doesn't make sense to suggest otherwise. |
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Post by chazraps on Jan 31, 2020 17:02:47 GMT -5
The whole Bad Boy vs Death Row beef, if we're really going to go into it, was some Bloods vs Crips shit from the jump. Pac's lines about Biggie "clique" in "Hit Em Up" weren't about junior mafia, but the crips.
Prior to this, the whole Suge vs Puff feud stemmed from their altercation in the Platinum Club in Atlanta when Puff was hanging with his cousin Wolf and some crips while Suge was with his bodyguard Big Jake and some bloods. Suge wasn't really a gang guy prior to Death Row, but picked up on it fast as the label became a front for selling things we can't discuss on the forum.
Anyway, an altercation occurs and Puff's crip cousin Wolf kills Suge's blood bodyguard Big Jake. This all happened while Pac was in jail before he was even on Death Row. They were all dudes in the music business who happened to get caught in a whirlwind of gang shit.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 31, 2020 17:05:40 GMT -5
Yea, I wouldn't say that Off the logistics itself, he had to be making money off those Biggie re-release albums and his own tributes he was doing. Puffy as an artist was still the same but Bad Boys itself was his brand now where he was the face and the leader If you want to argue the benefit is overblown that's one thing but he def benefited You think those re-releases and tributes brought him more money than original Biggie material and tours would have? It doesn't make sense. Puff and Bad Boy really didn't fair well after the post-Biggie material started coming out. Mase's 'Double Up' flopped, Puff's sophomore album 'Forever' vastly underperformed, Black Rob's "Whoa" was a hit but his legacy ended there, same with G-Dep's "Special Delivery." Bad Boy was in such a bad place in 2000 that they pivoted to pop R&B music in Dream and experimented with bringing Craig Mack back. Neither Puff nor Bad Boy benefitted from Biggie's death when compared to the trajectory they would have had with Biggie alive. It just doesn't make sense to suggest otherwise. It is getting him enough though. More so my point is just like Mase, he owns these people catalogs and he's the one making money. Harlem World did big business going Quadruple platinum, that's going in Puff pockets. The L.O.X. first album I think also did great and I know about 10-12 years ago they were fighting Diddy for the money because he was taking a chunk of it That's what i'm talking when i'm talking he is the one benefiting in the long run from Biggie death. Anything that goes out, goes to his pockets. Hell, you had Biggie daughter put him on blast a few years ago after she said Diddy don't give them shit |
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