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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 31, 2020 17:06:23 GMT -5
The whole Bad Boy vs Death Row beef, if we're really going to go into it, was some Bloods vs Crips shit from the jump. Pac's lines about Biggie "clique" in "Hit Em Up" weren't about junior mafia, but the crips. Prior to this, the whole Suge vs Puff feud stemmed from their altercation in the Platinum Club in Atlanta when Puff was hanging with his cousin Wolf and some crips while Suge was with his bodyguard Big Jake and some bloods. Suge wasn't really a gang guy prior to Death Row, but picked up on it fast as the label became a front for selling things we can't discuss on the forum. Anyway, an altercation occurs and Puff's crip cousin Wolf kills Suge's blood bodyguard Big Jake. This all happened while Pac was in jail before he was even on Death Row. They were all dudes in the music business who happened to get caught in a whirlwind of gang shit. Without question it was some gang shit, that's why the case got so sloppy
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 17:14:13 GMT -5
Yea it is pretty well known this entire beef was at its core a gang war between crypts and bloods.
And with that came the long long ass line of corruption amongst cops NYPD and LAPD being of course the top......alot of people were willing to hush the f*** up because not simply for fear of their lives but because they was all gettin under the table deals and sweet ammounts of money all ways and anything else.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 17:48:01 GMT -5
Yeah Diddy g-ahem, Love gotta address this asap. He going try to ignore it unless other people press him. Craig Mack can’t cause he’s gone but he did him bad too I'm seeing a lot of people pick up on this so we'll see what happens. Then again you know Diddy. Anything negative that comes out about him is dashed with the quickness. You remember that whole football coach thing? Shit was slidddddd by lol.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 31, 2020 17:57:25 GMT -5
Didn't Eminem accuse him of putting out a hit on 2Pac? Or are we talking about a different Diddy? (Though I doubt there's two guys named Diddy with the nickname Puffy so I must sound like an ignoramous right now.) There is only 1 Diddy/Puffy/P Diddy But yes, he was accused of that and in circles accused of setting up Biggie too. He might not have set him up directly, but he knew something was gonna happen to Biggie and did nothing to stop it. You'll never convince me otherwise
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 31, 2020 18:44:36 GMT -5
He going try to ignore it unless other people press him. Craig Mack can’t cause he’s gone but he did him bad too I'm seeing a lot of people pick up on this so we'll see what happens. Then again you know Diddy. Anything negative that comes out about him is dashed with the quickness. You remember that whole football coach thing? Shit was slidddddd by lol. Lmao yooooo he attacked his sons football coach and tried to say it was a miscommunication. UCLA didn't do shit against this man so yeah he is the king of putting shit away for good Mase was a high name tho. If more people get behind him, Diddy in trouble
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 31, 2020 18:46:46 GMT -5
There is only 1 Diddy/Puffy/P Diddy But yes, he was accused of that and in circles accused of setting up Biggie too. He might not have set him up directly, but he knew something was gonna happen to Biggie and did nothing to stop it. You'll never convince me otherwise Yea, and I can't blame people for thinking that way because it is a lot of funny shit involved in that Diddy has been a lucky dude tho getting away with a lot of shit. I've never really liked him because I think he is a me first cornball but dude has some shady shit on him. It might not be Biggie or Pac murder dirt but the way he has treated artist has been f***ed up and been swept under the rug for a long time
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Post by "Magic" Mark Hurr on Jan 31, 2020 18:50:12 GMT -5
Read Mase said this earlier. Yeah, Diddy is one of the last people who should be saying any of the shit he's was saying in his speech given history. Past and present. Dude's been a vampire.
In a related unrelated note, i feel the whole so each about calling out the racism in the Grammys was a smokescreen for what came out a week earlier with woman who spoke about how rigged the Grammys were and the scummy practices that went behind the scenes. Because honestly, it's easier for the Grammys to deal with people saying it's racist instead of the whole thing being fixed across the board. It's all a dirty game.
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Post by ronin705 on Jan 31, 2020 18:57:41 GMT -5
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Post by chazraps on Jan 31, 2020 22:01:56 GMT -5
There is only 1 Diddy/Puffy/P Diddy But yes, he was accused of that and in circles accused of setting up Biggie too. He might not have set him up directly, but he knew something was gonna happen to Biggie and did nothing to stop it. You'll never convince me otherwise Based on what?
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Post by chazraps on Jan 31, 2020 22:08:36 GMT -5
You think those re-releases and tributes brought him more money than original Biggie material and tours would have? It doesn't make sense. Puff and Bad Boy really didn't fair well after the post-Biggie material started coming out. Mase's 'Double Up' flopped, Puff's sophomore album 'Forever' vastly underperformed, Black Rob's "Whoa" was a hit but his legacy ended there, same with G-Dep's "Special Delivery." Bad Boy was in such a bad place in 2000 that they pivoted to pop R&B music in Dream and experimented with bringing Craig Mack back. Neither Puff nor Bad Boy benefitted from Biggie's death when compared to the trajectory they would have had with Biggie alive. It just doesn't make sense to suggest otherwise. It is getting him enough though. More so my point is just like Mase, he owns these people catalogs and he's the one making money. Harlem World did big business going Quadruple platinum, that's going in Puff pockets. The L.O.X. first album I think also did great and I know about 10-12 years ago they were fighting Diddy for the money because he was taking a chunk of it That's what i'm talking when i'm talking he is the one benefiting in the long run from Biggie death. Anything that goes out, goes to his pockets. Hell, you had Biggie daughter put him on blast a few years ago after she said Diddy don't give them shit Puff was going to get that money from those albums regardless though. Look at every single other artist he was with from that time. Even looking long term, Biggie's death - given your hypothesis, means Puff gets money from less albums than Biggie would have made had he been alive. Killing your cash cow is never a sound business decision made by someone who has any inking how to sustain a career in the most volatile corner of the entertainment business. 'Harlem World' and that first Lox album were made with a lot of Biggie input and a substantial amount of them were created while Biggie was still with us. Even the Black Rob debut, despite a 3 year delay, had the last bits of Biggie's fingerprints in there. Bad Boy lost so much of its identity with Biggie's passing, and despite Puff still having his vision of what the label was and where the movement could go, never found someone to fill Biggie's shoes to really maintain being a longterm anchor. That's why it makes no sense to suggest, even longrun, Puff benefitted from Biggie's death vs him being alive. Look at all these other Bad boy alumni still alive who don't have their cut, even if Puff and Biggie had their falling out, Biggie would be just like them stranded away from his masters - only Biggie would probably have a stronger catalog and more platforms to work from.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Jan 31, 2020 22:13:12 GMT -5
Diddy's a raging asshole from a business perspective (dude was Nicky Barnes's godson, what else do you expect) but there's no narrative in which he was behind either Biggie or Pac's murders that makes any sense. Pac was a method actor who got caught way over his head in some gang stuff, and Biggie was collateral damage in the Bloods/Crips war that chazraps mentioned earlier. Also, even though I'm sure Mase got played by Diddy, dude was heavily involved with Bloods up in Harlem and was extorted into leaving NY and becoming a fake pastor due to his own behavior.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Feb 1, 2020 12:11:08 GMT -5
There is only 1 Diddy/Puffy/P Diddy But yes, he was accused of that and in circles accused of setting up Biggie too. He might not have set him up directly, but he knew something was gonna happen to Biggie and did nothing to stop it. You'll never convince me otherwise ”You’ll never convince me otherwise”= “I like my story better than the evidence”
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