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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 29, 2020 10:51:40 GMT -5
Apparently the MLB draft this year in June is either going to be 5 or 10 rounds. Manfred has been trying to cut down on the amount of minor league teams and draft slots for a while. With Covid causing so much lost revenue, looks like he will finally get his wish. Not sure making it harder to make the minor leagues, much less the major leagues, is going to help attract more athletes to play baseball, but Manfred works for the owners, and this will definitely cut costs. It'll be interesting to see how this affects the minor league system. Does it become a more streamlined and competitive league that produces better tested talent, or does having less teams and leagues mean that not as many guys can find their footing and confidence at a certain level and grow organically? Ideally, some of the minors would be cut down as it is too damn big but I think they just go more with lesser talent as opposed to these big drafts where you are wasting picks knowing some guys won't come in the later rounds
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2020 11:54:08 GMT -5
Apparently the MLB draft this year in June is either going to be 5 or 10 rounds. Manfred has been trying to cut down on the amount of minor league teams and draft slots for a while. With Covid causing so much lost revenue, looks like he will finally get his wish. Not sure making it harder to make the minor leagues, much less the major leagues, is going to help attract more athletes to play baseball, but Manfred works for the owners, and this will definitely cut costs. It'll be interesting to see how this affects the minor league system. Does it become a more streamlined and competitive league that produces better tested talent, or does having less teams and leagues mean that not as many guys can find their footing and confidence at a certain level and grow organically? Yeah it's going to be interesting to see how it plays out. I can see some benefits. There are way too many rounds in the MLB draft as is. Cutting that down makes sense, although in a non-Covid year it should be more than 10 rounds. Maybe 20-25 is reasonable. Fewer minor league affiliates as you said in theory should mean that the lesser players are weeded out and the leagues are more competitive/talented based on condensed amount of spots available. The best of the best should make it, which hopefully means better minor league baseball as a whole. The drawbacks are that, as you said, if it takes a 20 year old a few years to figure it out, will he be given time to develop with fewer spots available? Teams sign Latin players at age 16. Where will those players go and how long will it take them to move up? Another factor is whether athletes will seriously consider baseball if it's harder to get drafted and/or make the minor leagues. The multi sport athletes might consider either pursuing another sport or going to college instead. Jo Adell, who could have played basketball or football, got $4.3 mil to sign with the Angels and likely would have reached the Majors in 2020 if the season happened, but what about the multi sport athlete who isn't a projected 1st round pick? It could make it a lot less desirable to play baseball considering how difficult the sport is. Either way this is entirely financially motivated by Manfred. I don't think he cares for the baseball reasons.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2020 16:40:46 GMT -5
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Post by Vampiro138 on May 5, 2020 18:59:19 GMT -5
June 14th, 30 for 30 is doing "Long Gone Summer" about the 98 Home Run chase between McGwire and Sosa who both did interviews for it. Should be a fun watch.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 7, 2020 21:29:47 GMT -5
A-Rod looks to have pulled out on buying the Mets
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2020 0:16:16 GMT -5
MLB draft is officially 5 rounds this year (next month). All players not drafted and eligible can be signed for $20k max. There’s no limit to how many players a team can sign.
So either a lot of good athletes go back to school instead of signing for 20k, or a few of the more desirable teams (Yankees, Dodgers, etc) can hoard the best talent not drafted.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2020 10:53:31 GMT -5
Even if no games are played, the Astros suspensions will still count and Hinch/Lundlow will have served time It's been over a month and I finally wanted to get this off my chest. You should do one full season, not one calendar year. Sorry, but them the breaks.
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Post by Mecca on May 12, 2020 8:06:15 GMT -5
The idea of there being a season is now on hold because without fans the MLB owners say they have to do some payroll restrictions players called it a salary cap and say that is a non starter and they will not play under any type of capped type system.
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Post by fw91 on May 12, 2020 12:41:36 GMT -5
it sucks that money will be the determining factor in playing the season and not safety. If it's safe enough, why can't everyone just say "let's play ball." it would be a great way to start healing the country. Of course if the safety of everyone involved would be too risky, they should probably scrap it. But money being the deciding factor is just a bad look.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 12, 2020 12:41:59 GMT -5
It is going to get ugly
MLB can't afford to lose a season if they can play it
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Post by BRV on May 12, 2020 13:06:34 GMT -5
If the MLBPA and the owners want to scrap this season over dollars and cents, they'd be wise to remember how damaging the 1994 strike was to baseball. It took about four years for the sport to regain its popularity, and that was when baseball was arguably still America's most popular sport. Baseball now is third in the nation's sports conscious, well behind football and basketball, so losing the game for an entire year - purely because the union and owners couldn't stop bickering over money when millions of people across the country are losing their jobs - could devastate baseball to an irreparable level.
No one in baseball is going to come out of this looking good if they try to bang the season over money. No matter how they try to spin it, every baseball fan and sports fan in the country will come together to tell the owners and union to go f**k themselves.
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Post by darbus alan on May 12, 2020 13:30:32 GMT -5
I know a lot of sports fans tend to side with the owners over the players for some reason, but the owners are asking a lot more out of players than a temporary salary cap. Like their health and potentially having to be completely isolated from their families for several months. Not to mention risking the health of everyone else involved with holding a baseball game even in single location between camerapeople, production crews, caterers, hotel staff, etc.
Yeah, if this was just about money, everyone looks terrible. But it's so much more than that.
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Post by Perd on May 12, 2020 13:52:53 GMT -5
Yeah, this is going to be ugly. But I do think, eventually they will reach some sort of agreement. MLB probably can’t afford to lose an entire season. Especially if the NBA amd NHL find ways to resume. If they can alleviate the health concerns (big if) I think the financials can be worked out.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 12, 2020 14:01:09 GMT -5
MLB has a few closed dome stadiums they can use but they seem gung ho on using all the ballparks
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Post by Vampiro138 on May 12, 2020 14:25:15 GMT -5
somebody with more knowledge, if there is a stand off of players and owners and the season is officially cancelled, does this still count as a year of service time for players?
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Post by BRV on May 12, 2020 14:28:02 GMT -5
I know a lot of sports fans tend to side with the owners over the players for some reason, but the owners are asking a lot more out of players than a temporary salary cap. Like their health and potentially having to be completely isolated from their families for several months. Not to mention risking the health of everyone else involved with holding a baseball game even in single location between camerapeople, production crews, caterers, hotel staff, etc. Yeah, if this was just about money, everyone looks terrible. But it's so much more than that. That's what Tony Clark should have said to play the PR game. But Clark stupidly went right to dollars and cents and immediately lost any sympathy he or the union could've had in the court of public opinion. No mention of the health of the low-wage workers or isolation from their families, just purely about money. And that's where he lost the battle.
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Post by darbus alan on May 12, 2020 15:36:53 GMT -5
MLB has a few closed dome stadiums they can use but they seem gung ho on using all the ballparks Yeah, there's a lot of retractable roof stadiums in MLB as well as Depression Field in St. Petersburg, FL which I think is the only true closed roof-only stadium left.
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Post by Perd on May 12, 2020 16:14:13 GMT -5
somebody with more knowledge, if there is a stand off of players and owners and the season is officially cancelled, does this still count as a year of service time for players? Yes, even if they don’t play a single game, players will get credited a year of service time. So, maybe only one more season of Kris Bryant as a Cub.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on May 13, 2020 14:18:29 GMT -5
MLB has a few closed dome stadiums they can use but they seem gung ho on using all the ballparks Yeah, there's a lot of retractable roof stadiums in MLB as well as Depression Field in St. Petersburg, FL which I think is the only true closed roof-only stadium left. You could actuall sell tickets for the Trop on day one. It's easy to keep a good social distance when a stadium is only a third of the way full.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 21:11:07 GMT -5
I don't think MLB/MLBPA is stupid enough to prevent 2020 from happening (if it is deemed safe), but the CBA ends after 2021. If these guys are determined to have a lockout, then it's more likely to happen then. However, if any sport is tone deaf enough to stop a season from happening when the world is desperately looking for an escape, it's baseball. Manfred is all about short term profitability even if it comes at the expense of long term growth, and Tony Clark has made the system worse for players practically every time a new CBA is negotiated. It's a bad combination.
I think they'll figure it out in the end, there's too much to gain by starting the season for everyone involved, but a lockout is inevitable, and I think this time there won't be any Sosa/McGwire gimmick they can use to bring the fans back.
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