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Post by darbus alan on May 13, 2020 22:47:44 GMT -5
I do hope the Universal DH rule is kept after this season. The National and American "Leagues" have been regular ol' conferences in name only for decades, and the modern game hasn't supporte any sort of competence from pitchers at the plate for about as long. Plus it means more jobs for older players and good hitters that aren't great fielders anymore in the National League anymore.
Outside of the National League, there isn't single professional baseball league in the world, major or minor, that has the DH instead of I think one in Japan. If NL purists want to keep the pitchers-as-automatic-outs rule, maybe actually have them take regular at-bats in live games in the minors.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 7:15:30 GMT -5
MLB has a few closed dome stadiums they can use but they seem gung ho on using all the ballparks Even so... Would you wanna use Tropicana Dome in the best of times?
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 14, 2020 10:03:08 GMT -5
MLB has a few closed dome stadiums they can use but they seem gung ho on using all the ballparks Even so... Would you wanna use Tropicana Dome in the best of times? Let’s act like they don’t exist
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 14, 2020 10:03:36 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 10:04:45 GMT -5
100% agree. There won't be baseball this year...and maybe next.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 14, 2020 10:10:30 GMT -5
100% agree. There won't be baseball this year...and maybe next. Public pressure is going to get them to do the season this year. Both owners and players look petty arguing over dollars and cents when other places like the NBA was able to agree on this weeks ago
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 10:11:36 GMT -5
100% agree. There won't be baseball this year...and maybe next. Can we, for a moment, look at Minor League Baseball? MLB, as bad as things are going to be, will hobble, but stand, but MiLB may end up getting annihilated. Major League Baseball still wants to get rid of 40 teams and plenty of these clubs rely on live gate to make ends meet despite the affiliation system. Certainly the system would be better off without a few delinquents or incompetent teams like the Florida Fire Frogs, but think about all the markets and areas that don't have access to a major league team and this is their connection to MLB? We may see Major League Baseball, but Minor League Baseball most likely isn't going to play. For example, different states would have different rules in place about public events (the Pacific Coast League has two California teams), and the Northwest League has Vancouver, BC to deal with. Not to mention the matter of MLB just using their Arizona or Florida sites to develop practice squads instead.
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Post by BRV on May 14, 2020 10:20:48 GMT -5
I do hope the Universal DH rule is kept after this season. The National and American "Leagues" have been regular ol' conferences in name only for decades, and the modern game hasn't supporte any sort of competence from pitchers at the plate for about as long. Plus it means more jobs for older players and good hitters that aren't great fielders anymore in the National League anymore. Outside of the National League, there isn't single professional baseball league in the world, major or minor, that has the DH instead of I think one in Japan. If NL purists want to keep the pitchers-as-automatic-outs rule, maybe actually have them take regular at-bats in live games in the minors. I always believed in keeping the American and National leagues separate entities right until the bitter end, but I had to concede that fight at the start of the 2013 season when Major League Baseball went to two 15-team leagues and expanded interleague play to full-season. At that point, it negated any reason for the NL to not have a designated hitter or its own separate set of rules. Once that happened, the two leagues just became a single indistinguishable entity under the umbrella of Major League Baseball. As I said a few days ago, Tony Clark, the MLBPA, and now the individual players are doing themselves no favors by making this all about money. Blake Snell at least put his health and safety in the conversation, but there's also going to be a lot of "world's smallest violin" playing on behalf of a 27-year-old complaining about making $1.75 million instead of $7 million while 20 million people lost their jobs in the country last month.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 14, 2020 11:08:00 GMT -5
I do hope the Universal DH rule is kept after this season. The National and American "Leagues" have been regular ol' conferences in name only for decades, and the modern game hasn't supporte any sort of competence from pitchers at the plate for about as long. Plus it means more jobs for older players and good hitters that aren't great fielders anymore in the National League anymore. Outside of the National League, there isn't single professional baseball league in the world, major or minor, that has the DH instead of I think one in Japan. If NL purists want to keep the pitchers-as-automatic-outs rule, maybe actually have them take regular at-bats in live games in the minors. I always believed in keeping the American and National leagues separate entities right until the bitter end, but I had to concede that fight at the start of the 2013 season when Major League Baseball went to two 15-team leagues and expanded interleague play to full-season. At that point, it negated any reason for the NL to not have a designated hitter or its own separate set of rules. Once that happened, the two leagues just became a single indistinguishable entity under the umbrella of Major League Baseball. As I said a few days ago, Tony Clark, the MLBPA, and now the individual players are doing themselves no favors by making this all about money. Blake Snell at least put his health and safety in the conversation, but there's also going to be a lot of "world's smallest violin" playing on behalf of a 27-year-old complaining about making $1.75 million instead of $7 million while 20 million people lost their jobs in the country last month. They are just going to have to bite the bullet on this. I get what Blake Snell is saying but for all of that you might as well not play at all. It is as simple as players are going to get paid a prorated portion of their deal due to the season not being played in full. This won't hurt you in terms of future deals because your dollar value is still high but you aren't getting paid what you should be. Money will have to be dished out next year what you're owed on top of whatever new deal you sign Like losing a lot of money is hard especially when you work hard for it but that's an excuse that won't fly with general public. You still going to get paid to entertain
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Post by domrep on May 14, 2020 14:29:59 GMT -5
Kinda crazy how athletes are just viewed as pieces of meat and are here solely to entertain us. All 30 owners are millionaires many times over, some are worth billions. Players are taking all the risks, they're being separated from their families while the owners are in their mansions counting their money. Players don't get a bigger share of the pie when revenues are up, but when shit hits the fan, they're the first to have to take a pay cut? Doesn't matter if they're making $7 million or $1 million.
You see this all the time when the CBAs are up. Public opinion always sides with the owners for whatever reason.
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Post by BRV on May 14, 2020 14:56:57 GMT -5
Kinda crazy how athletes are just viewed as pieces of meat and are here solely to entertain us. All 30 owners are millionaires many times over, some are worth billions. Players are taking all the risks, they're being separated from their families while the owners are in their mansions counting their money. Players don't get a bigger share of the pie when revenues are up, but when shit hits the fan, they're the first to have to take a pay cut? Doesn't matter if they're making $7 million or $1 million. You see this all the time when the CBAs are up. Public opinion always sides with the owners for whatever reason. That's why Blake Snell comes off as so disingenuous in all of this. He talks about how he's risking his life, but if you read between the bros, what he's really saying is he wants more money. Actually, there doesn't need to be any reading between the bros, he flat out says: "I’m not playing unless I get mine." If the owners or the Rays or the MLB came to him and said he'd get his full $7 million salary, this suddenly wouldn't seem like such a risky proposition to him. It's not about health or being separated from family, it's about adding zeroes to his check. And hearing him talk about how his $7 million is actually getting cut in half, then 33 percent of that half, and so on, reminded me of the scene in "The Replacements" when the football player tells the media member: "Do you have any idea what insurance costs on a Ferrari, motherf***er?!"
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Post by domrep on May 14, 2020 15:05:42 GMT -5
Kinda crazy how athletes are just viewed as pieces of meat and are here solely to entertain us. All 30 owners are millionaires many times over, some are worth billions. Players are taking all the risks, they're being separated from their families while the owners are in their mansions counting their money. Players don't get a bigger share of the pie when revenues are up, but when shit hits the fan, they're the first to have to take a pay cut? Doesn't matter if they're making $7 million or $1 million. You see this all the time when the CBAs are up. Public opinion always sides with the owners for whatever reason. That's why Blake Snell comes off as so disingenuous in all of this. He talks about how he's risking his life, but if you read between the bros, what he's really saying is he wants more money. Actually, there doesn't need to be any reading between the bros, he flat out says: "I’m not playing unless I get mine." If the owners or the Rays or the MLB came to him and said he'd get his full $7 million salary, this suddenly wouldn't seem like such a risky proposition to him. It's not about health or being separated from family, it's about adding zeroes to his check. And hearing him talk about how his $7 million is actually getting cut in half, then 33 percent of that half, and so on, reminded me of the scene in "The Replacements" when the football player tells the media member: "Do you have any idea what insurance costs on a Ferrari, motherf***er?!" The owner of the Rays is worth $800 million. Rays consistently have one of the lowest payrolls in baseball. Why would he want to play for less than the contract he signed for? Why do the players always have to take the paycut? It's like in college, why does a transfer have to sit out a year when coaches can come and go like it's nothing. It just doesn't make sense. I welcome the blunt honesty, yes, it is about money. It always will be about money. Now add the risk involved on top of all of that. You think Bryce Harper wants to play for $8 million instead of the $30 mil he's getting this year? We'd be fools to believe otherwise.
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Post by darbus alan on May 14, 2020 16:00:45 GMT -5
If you're asking me to risk my long-term health and possibly my life to play a baseball game, you're damn right I'm going to want my full pay for it. It's just a really bad optic when people are suffering because of our country's broken economic system.
But team owners should be getting just as much shit when they cut staff wages or are "forced" to lay off workers that make a pittance compared to the billions they're worth. But they won't because Americans worship the wealthy and think they can do no wrong.
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Post by BRV on May 14, 2020 17:05:46 GMT -5
If you're asking me to risk my long-term health and possibly my life to play a baseball game, you're damn right I'm going to want my full pay for it. It's just a really bad optic when people are suffering because of our country's broken economic system. But team owners should be getting just as much shit when they cut staff wages or are "forced" to lay off workers that make a pittance compared to the billions they're worth. But they won't because Americans worship the wealthy and think they can do no wrong. Bro didn't seem too worried about his health when he was making his full $7 million. www.tampabay.com/sports/rays/2020/03/11/rays-blake-snell-says-coronavirus-is-overhyped-if-i-get-it-i-get-it/But now that his checks are at risk, his health is suddenly at risk, too? Also, let's not pretend like Blake Snell is some charity case. He's 27 years old has $50 million in the bank. He's good.
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Post by darbus alan on May 14, 2020 18:11:30 GMT -5
Completely glossed over my point about how we never hold the billionaire owners to the same, if not a more scrutinized standard as professional athletes but ok, nice deflection.
Snell also wouldn't be the first ignorant person who wised up about COVID-19 over the past month or two. That's what happens when you have a novel virus we know next-to-nothing about and new information comes out that you should take it a lot more seriously.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 18:18:24 GMT -5
If LeBron James retired tomorrow, the NBA would feel the financial hit short term and possibly longer.
If Mike Trout disappeared tomorrow, MLB and the Angels would be able to move on without much of an issue in regards to revenue/profit.
The NBA has a different model, where moving forward fans are going to follow the stars wherever they go rather than root for a specific team. The NBA PA is more powerful than the owners. That's not the same for baseball. The MLBPA is playing a very dangerous game. Baseball is a regional sport. Fans are loyal to the front of the jersey, not the back of it. The players are going to find out very quickly that they are expendable in today's MLB business model. It's very similar to the NFL except the NFL is widely mainstream popular, whereas baseball is more about the regional popularity (ex. the Brewers are super popular in MIL, but no where else).
I think both sides will swallow their pride and have a season in 2020. The optics of not having one, especially if it's financially motivated, would be terrible. But the current CBA ends after the 2021 season. I'd be shocked if they don't lock out after that.
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Post by BRV on May 14, 2020 18:53:56 GMT -5
Completely glossed over my point about how we never hold the billionaire owners to the same, if not a more scrutinized standard as professional athletes but ok, nice deflection. Let's not kid ourselves, in today's society, Rays owner Stuart Sternberg (net worth $800 million) and Blake Snell with his $50 million contract would be viewed in the same unattainable societal class. Snell made those remarks on March 11. You know what else happened on March 11? Rudy Gobert tested positive for COVID-19 and that was deemed to be so serious that the NBA, NHL, MLB, and basically all American sports halted their leagues indefinitely. Let's not pretend like Snell was some babe in the woods and society had no idea what coronavirus was on March 11. Also, he was essentially saying the same thing almost word-for-word that a spring breaker in Miami said one week later, and that spring breaker was turned into a pariah. We knew its dangers and its severity by that point. It was well established.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 14, 2020 19:23:41 GMT -5
If you're asking me to risk my long-term health and possibly my life to play a baseball game, you're damn right I'm going to want my full pay for it. It's just a really bad optic when people are suffering because of our country's broken economic system. But team owners should be getting just as much shit when they cut staff wages or are "forced" to lay off workers that make a pittance compared to the billions they're worth. But they won't because Americans worship the wealthy and think they can do no wrong. I'm going to give both sides shit
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 21:03:45 GMT -5
I do hope the Universal DH rule is kept after this season. The National and American "Leagues" have been regular ol' conferences in name only for decades, and the modern game hasn't supporte any sort of competence from pitchers at the plate for about as long. Plus it means more jobs for older players and good hitters that aren't great fielders anymore in the National League anymore. Outside of the National League, there isn't single professional baseball league in the world, major or minor, that has the DH instead of I think one in Japan. If NL purists want to keep the pitchers-as-automatic-outs rule, maybe actually have them take regular at-bats in live games in the minors. The DH should have been universal a long time ago. I know baseball purists love the NL rules, but baseball purists are not the demo MLB should be listening to. Put the DH in the NL full time. Even the MLBPA will agree to that since it will mean more jobs for hitters. I think the universal DH and the expanded playoff format are two things that will stick beyond 2020. In addition to the draft rounds being lowered indefinitely, probably to 20 rounds.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 14, 2020 21:17:49 GMT -5
I do hope the Universal DH rule is kept after this season. The National and American "Leagues" have been regular ol' conferences in name only for decades, and the modern game hasn't supporte any sort of competence from pitchers at the plate for about as long. Plus it means more jobs for older players and good hitters that aren't great fielders anymore in the National League anymore. Outside of the National League, there isn't single professional baseball league in the world, major or minor, that has the DH instead of I think one in Japan. If NL purists want to keep the pitchers-as-automatic-outs rule, maybe actually have them take regular at-bats in live games in the minors. The DH should have been universal a long time ago. I know baseball purists love the NL rules, but baseball purists are not the demo MLB should be listening to. Put the DH in the NL full time. Even the MLBPA will agree to that since it will mean more jobs for hitters. I think the universal DH and the expanded playoff format are two things that will stick beyond 2020. In addition to the draft rounds being lowered indefinitely, probably to 20 rounds. Two thing I wish baseball would do in the future - Fulltime DH - Extra innings start with a man on 2nd. The luster of extra inning games in the regular season is one that really isn't there when you consider everyone is swinging their hardest to just end the game
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