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Post by sfvega on May 26, 2020 18:48:53 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm going to side with the players on this one. Players take all of the risk health-wise and they do so for drastically reduced pay. I don't understand how anyone is on the side of the owners. Fans always want to side against "greedy" players over wealth-hoarding billionaire owners. Don't side with management over unions and if anything they should be getting hazard pay if the league is going to ask them to put their health on the line in addition to not having free access to go home and see their family. That's f***ed up.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2020 18:54:27 GMT -5
Owners always cry poverty. Get the f*** out of here with those numbers.
I know players are filthy rich but that's some bullshit.
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Post by fw91 on May 26, 2020 20:23:26 GMT -5
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Post by Renslayer on May 26, 2020 20:33:22 GMT -5
Worst part is even if mlb owners get more pay cuts, they're STILL gonna cry poverty and furlough employees + not pay minor leaguers anyway. Sick of their shit
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2020 20:42:59 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm going to side with the players on this one. Players take all of the risk health-wise and they do so for drastically reduced pay. I don't understand how anyone is on the side of the owners. Fans always want to side against "greedy" players over wealth-hoarding billionaire owners. Don't side with management over unions and if anything they should be getting hazard pay if the league is going to ask them to put their health on the line in addition to not having free access to go home and see their family. That's f***ed up. Yeah, not sure how anyone could side with owners here. They have taken advantage of players for decades (although Tony Clark deserves a lot of blame for this). Giving players a prorated salary based on games played is more than fair. There is no salary cap. They don't share revenue. Players should be getting their salaries based on the number of games in the season. MLB had record revenue in 2019, but players did not get a piece of that action, so why do they have to take a reduction when business is down (granted due to a pandemic, not normal business reasons)? A prorated salary is more than fair. I can understand the motivation of owners trying to make up for lost revenue, but they are taking none of the risk here, and revenue should go back to normal in subsequent seasons once fans are allowed back. The sad part is, if the players do end up agreeing to a further cut in salary, guess what will probably happen in the off-season? Owners will non tender almost every player up for arbitration and then cheap out on free agents due to revenue loss. Not to mention any furloughs or cuts they make on top of that to employees/staff. If the players bend on this, they'll just get screwed again six months from now. Mookie Betts won't be getting $300-400 million anymore, but he'll still get something. Everyone else will have to worry.
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Post by Perd on May 26, 2020 20:44:19 GMT -5
That proposal makes me think the owners don’t really want to have a season. There no way they thought the MLBPA would go for this.
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Post by sfvega on May 26, 2020 21:46:18 GMT -5
That proposal makes me think the owners don’t really want to have a season. There no way they thought the MLBPA would go for this. I don't think that's the situation. I think they're merely playing chicken with the players, trying to think they'll cave to bad public image. And they probably will. But there's no downside to the situation for the owners. They ask the players to take much bigger paycuts and best case scenario they cave, worst case scenario they have to pay them what they already agreed to in March. It's like spinning the Price is Right wheel. Even if you lose, it cost ya nothing.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 26, 2020 22:50:57 GMT -5
It is not that I side with owners, i'm just not overly sympathetic to players either but those numbers aren't right at all
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Post by sfvega on May 26, 2020 23:04:50 GMT -5
It is not that I side with owners, i'm just not overly sympathetic to players either but those numbers aren't right at all The problem is the players have been largely raked over the coals. Owners offering less money and shorter deals to most free agents. Reduced pay agreed to in March. Then another proposal now. They're taking less an then less and then less again while certain owners operate on revenue sharing and profits and pocket the excess.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on May 27, 2020 10:32:21 GMT -5
It’s an ass move by the owners but it’s a dying sport where the average age of fans is somewhere in the late 50s.
MLB needs to make every attempt at connecting with the next generation of fans and it’s just not happening. I think this hurts them a lot
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 27, 2020 10:42:55 GMT -5
MLB in general is bad at marketing. Your top player in Mike Trout, an all generational talent is probably not even in the top 20 of "name talent" in regards to sports.
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Post by RKTaker on May 27, 2020 12:28:22 GMT -5
MLB in general is bad at marketing. Your top player in Mike Trout, an all generational talent is probably not even in the top 20 of "name talent" in regards to sports. Manfred is that you?
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 27, 2020 12:55:11 GMT -5
MLB in general is bad at marketing. Your top player in Mike Trout, an all generational talent is probably not even in the top 20 of "name talent" in regards to sports. Manfred is that you? Nope, i'm actually trying to come up with a solution because that is both MLB and Mike Trout fault he isn't mainstream as he should be
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Post by BRV on May 27, 2020 14:25:39 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2020 15:04:49 GMT -5
Nope, i'm actually trying to come up with a solution because that is both MLB and Mike Trout fault he isn't mainstream as he should be Agreed. When I was growing up, Ken Griffey Jr was a household name. The swing, the backwards hat, everything about him was money. Then there was Jeter, A-Rod, Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, etc. Baseball in the past has been able to market stars without issue. The problem now is that they are so bad at social media and content marketing that no one aside from existing fans are going to be able to see their content. MLBAM was basically created so that anyone not affiliated with MLB has no authority to post MLB content online without MLB’s approval. On the flip side, look at the NBA. The moment a big dunk happens, it’s all over social media. Ten minute condensed games are posted instantly. It’s so easy for a kid to go on any platform and see NBA footage because Silver is ahead of the curve. MLB is trapped in 1973. They want to monetize all their content rather than use social media to their advantage like Silver does. Young kids have no reason to follow baseball. Trout should be a big star. Everyone should know who he is and what he looks like. Aaron Judge should be a household name. Mookie Betts should be a household name. The only baseball player with any name value at this point seems to be Bryce Harper but he might be the last of an era. MLB is so far behind the marketing curve that by the time they realize the issue it will be too late.
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Post by RKTaker on May 27, 2020 15:15:37 GMT -5
Nope, i'm actually trying to come up with a solution because that is both MLB and Mike Trout fault he isn't mainstream as he should besounds like manfred, all joking aside who cares if he doesn't market himself some people want to be private and don't want the big celebrity life
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on May 27, 2020 20:54:17 GMT -5
Nope, i'm actually trying to come up with a solution because that is both MLB and Mike Trout fault he isn't mainstream as he should besounds like manfred, all joking aside who cares if he doesn't market himself some people want to be private and don't want the big celebrity life Its not his fault, but the MLB should be able to market the face of the league in somebody. Mookie Betts is young, in a demographic the MLB isnt too big with right now, he's young and has the talent and he's just another guy.
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Post by BRV on May 27, 2020 21:16:42 GMT -5
sounds like manfred, all joking aside who cares if he doesn't market himself some people want to be private and don't want the big celebrity life Its not his fault, but the MLB should be able to market the face of the league in somebody. Mookie Betts is young, in a demographic the MLB isnt too big with right now, he's young and has the talent and he's just another guy. It's just astounding how little league the big leagues feel now. ESPN and NESN have been reairing classic games in recent weeks, and ones that have really caught my eye have been the 2004 ALCS between the Red Sox and Yankees, in particular because of how huge those games felt because of how many important, headline-grabbing players were involved in that series: David Ortiz, Manny Ramirez, Johnny Damon, Jason Varitek, Pedro Martinez, Curt Schilling, Derek Jeter, Alex Rodriguez, Gary Sheffield, Bernie Williams, Hideki Matsui, Jorge Posada, Mariano Rivera, Mike Mussina. Those games were important because the players involved made them feel important beyond the balls and strikes and scores. How many teams have that many combined big names now? Another example I tend to cite every so often is the years-long squabble between Mike Piazza and Roger Clemens. From the moment Clemens beaned Piazza in the helmet in July 2000 all the way through Rocket hurling a jagged chunk of bat at Piazza in the Subway Series ultimately leading into his own at-bat in Shea Stadium in summer 2002, their rivalry was national news. Who in baseball now is famous enough to get that kind of attention? Would a Clayton Kershaw/Buster Posey feud garner even a tenth of the attention?
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Post by darbus alan on May 27, 2020 21:25:12 GMT -5
The last real "superstar" personas in baseball that had a big national presence were Jeter, A-Rod, and I'd argue David Ortiz. There's potential for the current generation, but MLB is awful at marketing its talent as stars, which continues the sport's transformation from the national pastime to a regional one. Also doesn't help that the best player in the game is boring and wants no part of the spotlight.
Only guy I feel like that's even come close to having that presence is Aaron Judge. And even then, it could just be his being in the New York media market. Not sure if say, his Pepsi commercials were broadcast nationally or just in the NYC metro.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on May 27, 2020 21:50:38 GMT -5
The last real "superstar" personas in baseball that had a big national presence were Jeter, A-Rod, and I'd argue David Ortiz. There's potential for the current generation, but MLB is awful at marketing its talent as stars, which continues the sport's transformation from the national pastime to a regional one. Also doesn't help that the best player in the game is boring and wants no part of the spotlight. Only guy I feel like that's even come close to having that presence is Aaron Judge. And even then, it could just be his being in the New York media market. Not sure if say, his Pepsi commercials were broadcast nationally or just in the NYC metro. baseball is also a slow sport existing in a fast paced world where you can watch a dozen episodes of something in the time it takes you to watch one "episode" of baseball that exists in 162 games which are mostly forgetable and oftentimes meaningless. Its a long season where theres really no reason to be invested.
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