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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Mar 7, 2020 17:40:02 GMT -5
Chris Jericho as best box office draw is puzzling. He's the champion of a show that gets under a million viewers and tarps off half the arena most weeks. There's a bunch of WWE people that are bigger draws than him as well as the top Japanese stars like Okada/Naito/Tanahashi. There are?
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Post by toodarkmark on Mar 7, 2020 19:43:50 GMT -5
No one in WWE is a draw. WWE as a brand is the draw. If 100% of the wrestlers in WWE were replaced tomorrow, it would draw the same. Don't believe me? They brought in someone who has wrestled maybe 4 times in the last decade and made them the world champion and got the most likes ever on their instagram. Why? Because he's a WCW re-tread who is more over then anyone on their roster. If Goldberg showed up in AEW next week he’d immediately be their biggest star and raise their ratings/social media too. At his peak probably only Austin, Hogan and Rock were bigger than him. Not being as big as Goldberg doesn’t mean you’re not a draw. Agree to disagree. Jericho is a bigger star then Goldberg, and is a far more respected wrestler and personality. It's quantifiable. Goldberg has 2 million instagram followers, Jericho has 3.7 million. There is nothing Goldberg has over Jericho except an undeserved world title reign because of plummeting ratings. The people from around his own era who’ve always been bigger than him (Goldberg, Undertaker, Triple H, John Cena, Rey Mysterio, Jeff Hardy, Randy Orton, Edge). For current, full time names who would also be big enough to get AEW over a million viewers right now (Becky Lynch, Roman Reigns, Daniel Bryan, Bray Wyatt, Sasha Banks, Seth Rollins, AJ Styles, Finn Balor). Even if we’re not talking bigger draw in general and just isolate it to 2019 specifically then Becky has to have him beat. She was a top draw for the 4 biggest wrestling shows of the year, moved the most merchandise for most of the year, crushes everyone else when it comes to demand at signings and by WON’s own word was the biggest ratings draw in wrestling last year. Even if we were keeping it strictly to AEW then Moxley is their biggest draw. And Meltzer for some reason includes MMA in this vote so not only does this say that Jericho is a bigger draw than every WWE/AEW/NJPW wrestler but also bigger than every MMA fighter. I love Jericho but he simply wasn't the biggest draw of 2019. Not that this really matters, it's basically just a popularity contest for WON readers. No one in WWE is a larger draw. On Feb 20, 2017, Raw drew 3.17 million viewers. The Feb 24, 2020 Raw had 2.21 million viewers. Every person you named drew negative 1 million viewers. If they did draw, they would have kept ratings from falling 33%. Jericho was the top guy of a promotion that made almost a million viewers out of nowhere. Even with WWE running counterprogamming featuring Finn Balor. If Becky Lynch disappeared tomorrow, WWE would get exactly the same ratings. No one is over in WWE. They're just featured.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 1:30:39 GMT -5
There's so many categories, seems like observants agreed with me at least with best singles and tag one. But I still miss the awards retired after 2003. Any reason why they got rid of Worst Wrestler, Worst Tag Team, etc?
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Mar 8, 2020 8:31:31 GMT -5
I don't really understand Jericho as Best Box Office Draw. If it makes you feel better, Dave said Jon Jones should have won.
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Post by cabbageboy on Mar 8, 2020 9:44:38 GMT -5
The notion of putting MMA fighters in categories with pro wrestlers has always been insanely stupid. These are completely different genres.
As far as these others mentioned who could get AEW well over a million, some of these are a joke. Becky and Sasha would have zero shot of doing that because I don't think enough non viewers care about women's wrestling to follow them to AEW, nor does AEW give enough of a crap about the women's division to feature them. Ironically enough I kinda think Matt Hardy might help them get above 1 million depending on how much he does and what spot he's in given that his stuff with Orton was at least popping some numbers on Raw. As noted, the current WWE stars are frankly anti draws, hemorrhaging viewers left and right over the past few years. Does anyone seriously think AJ Styles nearing age 43 would move the needle that much? I mean I like AJ most of the time but it's not like he's ever had a track record in America of drawing money or ratings (look at WWE's numbers since he's been there). Bryan would bring some interesting matches to AEW, but again, does he really draw anything?
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Post by toodarkmark on Mar 8, 2020 11:30:15 GMT -5
Agree to disagree. Jericho is a bigger star then Goldberg, and is a far more respected wrestler and personality. It's quantifiable. Goldberg has 2 million instagram followers, Jericho has 3.7 million. There is nothing Goldberg has over Jericho except an undeserved world title reign because of plummeting ratings. No one in WWE is a larger draw. On Feb 20, 2017, Raw drew 3.17 million viewers. The Feb 24, 2020 Raw had 2.21 million viewers. Every person you named drew negative 1 million viewers. If they did draw, they would have kept ratings from falling 33%. Jericho was the top guy of a promotion that made almost a million viewers out of nowhere. Even with WWE running counterprogamming featuring Finn Balor. If Becky Lynch disappeared tomorrow, WWE would get exactly the same ratings. No one is over in WWE. They're just featured. Goldberg being a bigger draw than Chris Jericho isn’t really agree to disagree territory. It’s a fact. How is this even in question? Goldberg is a top 10 star in wrestling history. One of the most popular wrestlers ever. Jericho isn’t close to his level. If AEW announced Goldberg (or John Cena or Becky Lynch or etc) was debuting do you seriously think they’d do under a million viewers like they are currently? They would easily raise ratings and become the top star the second they appeared. It's not a fact. Jericho is more accomplished, has more social media followers, has main evented far many more shows. I'm not sure, other then your opinion, why you think you're right? Can you give an actual fact? Golderg, who I liked, had one hot year, 1998. Then a cup of coffee in WWE and people were happy that he left in 2004. Then he had some sad, sad matches in Saudi Arabia. Are you talking about his amazing run in WCW from 99 to 2001? That sure was a hot period for him and WCW. Chris Jericho is a larger draw, Chris Jericho is a bigger star, Chris Jericho has done more in this business, and Goldberg is, factually, not on Jericho's level. Observer people know that, the people who voted. Only personal bias and brand loyalty/dislike would make someone think otherwise. So again, other then your personal opinion, show me one fact that shows Goldberg is a bigger star then Jericho. Jericho main evented Wrestlemania at WWE's highest point, and Goldberg got booed during his 2004 Mania match. Come on man.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 12:33:33 GMT -5
Goldberg being a bigger draw than Chris Jericho isn’t really agree to disagree territory. It’s a fact. How is this even in question? Goldberg is a top 10 star in wrestling history. One of the most popular wrestlers ever. Jericho isn’t close to his level. If AEW announced Goldberg (or John Cena or Becky Lynch or etc) was debuting do you seriously think they’d do under a million viewers like they are currently? They would easily raise ratings and become the top star the second they appeared. It's not a fact. Jericho is more accomplished, has more social media followers, has main evented far many more shows. I'm not sure, other then your opinion, why you think you're right? Can you give an actual fact? Golderg, who I liked, had one hot year, 1998. Then a cup of coffee in WWE and people were happy that he left in 2004. Then he had some sad, sad matches in Saudi Arabia. Are you talking about his amazing run in WCW from 99 to 2001? That sure was a hot period for him and WCW. Chris Jericho is a larger draw, Chris Jericho is a bigger star, Chris Jericho has done more in this business, and Goldberg is, factually, not on Jericho's level. Observer people know that, the people who voted. Only personal bias and brand loyalty/dislike would make someone think otherwise. So again, other then your personal opinion, show me one fact that shows Goldberg is a bigger star then Jericho. Jericho main evented Wrestlemania at WWE's highest point, and Goldberg got booed during his 2004 Mania match. Come on man. At his hottest, Goldberg was a bigger name than Jericho. I'll grant that. However, 20 years later, Jericho wins. Jericho has maintained himself in the public consciousness better than Goldberg has. Not that Goldberg hasn't made a few TV appearances here and there, but Jericho seems to be much better about keeping his profile there in the cultural zeitgeist.
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Post by corndog on Mar 9, 2020 12:05:16 GMT -5
I think it's hard to measure bigger draws until they travel outside of WWE. There are a few exceptions in WWE, but not really anyone on the main roster until they leave. Lesnar spiked ratings for a while, but his allure has died off. Goldberg brought interest for a little bit as well. Cena still helps things when he comes back. I think if Cena went to AEW or New Japan, it would be a huge difference maker, but it's not happening.
As far as Jericho, he did spike things quite a bit for New Japan World, getting them over the 100,000 mark and has gotten some eyes on AEW. I actually think Moxley might have been more of a difference maker for both companies recently. Been watching New Japan regularly for a few years now and his match with Suzuki got more interest for a singles match than I have seen so far within that company.
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 9, 2020 12:58:07 GMT -5
Jericho was instrumental in why they got the TNT deal. He has been a main event of their PPVs, which have done more than peak TNA's did. Yes, if I am recalling correctly, each PPV has done better than Kurt/Joe did. They've also done well over TNA's peak ticket sales.
Jericho's a draw, provably.
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Post by Dub H on Mar 9, 2020 13:09:25 GMT -5
Even if you think in a vacuum, Goldberg ,Becky ,whoever is a bigger draw than Jericho;
The ONLY true fact is that no wrestler has done as much last year for a company than Jerichom
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Post by Shark on Mar 9, 2020 15:20:14 GMT -5
Bray Wyatt being voted top 3 in most overrated, best gimmick, and worst gimmick really just tells me that these and any other awards that are voted on by fans are just straight bullshit.
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Post by Beets by Schrute on Mar 14, 2020 8:27:10 GMT -5
Mark my words: WWE not cancelling Wrestlemania in the midst of Covid 19 will win most disgusting promotional tactic over Saudi deal next year.
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