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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2024 23:35:08 GMT -5
Really makes this photo from lastnights show crazy now.
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Feb 4, 2024 23:36:33 GMT -5
I saw someone (Meltzer I think) mention it being part of why Kairi went back to WWE.
This is what I don't understand, like sure if they're doing talent trades and they're going over for certain shows and he's working against them, that's obviously bad.
But if she's leaving, he can't stop her from signing with AEW? Presumably she signed with WWE because that's where she wanted to go.
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Feb 4, 2024 23:37:51 GMT -5
Really makes this photo from lastnights show crazy now. My biggest regret from my promoting days was not taking pictures. The only one I've got is me in the background of an angle where 70% of the frame is on the refs ass.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2024 23:38:11 GMT -5
I saw someone (Meltzer I think) mention it being part of why Kairi went back to WWE. This is what I don't understand, like sure if they're doing talent trades and they're going over for certain shows and he's working against them, that's obviously bad. But if she's leaving, he can't stop her from signing with AEW? Presumably she signed with WWE because that's where she wanted to go. KAIRI literally said an interview she was going back to WWE because she saw the success of IYO and she was hopeful to achieve the same going back. If anything she went back because of IYO.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Feb 4, 2024 23:39:47 GMT -5
From the Observer site:
Stardom founder and booker Rossy Ogawa was fired today by Bushiroad after being accused of attempting to poach talent to leave the promotion.
The story dates back about nine months when Bushiroad execs started overruling Ogawa to the dismay of both himself and talent and some of the more outlandish booking decisions. Ogawa constantly being overruled on booking and business decisions by Bushiroad Fight President Katsuhiko Harada led to his decision to leave the company. Harada was later replaced by Taro Okada in that position in November. However this continued under Okada and Ogawa had already made plans to leave.
He had been under the impression that he would have autonomy on booking and business when he sold Stardom to Bushiroad in 2009. That included a five year-non compete.
It was known that the affiliation between the two sides was going to end on 2/18 as Ogawa had given notice some time back. At first, today’s show was to be his final show, but then the sides agreed to sever ties on 2/18. However, Bushiroad decided to get ahead of the story two weeks early and made the announcement publicly that he was fired after the talent was told in a meeting following today's show in Osaka.
A lot of the talent is loyal to Ogawa, who founded the company and gave most of the women their career breaks. Expect several departures from the group in March, when most of the contracts expire. The only wrestler under a longer term commitment to Stardom is IWGP Champion Mayu Iwatani, because of the movie on her life coming out.
Bushiroad had known about talent leaving and some were given legal threats in recent weeks. Those who are leaving wouldn't be doing so until their contracts expire. This is part of the story of why Giulia will not be wrestling in Chicago and had said she was taking time off in March, when her contract expires.
Ogawa is not going to WWE.
Okada and Bushiroad Fight merchandise manager Oyama will take over as the bookers for Stardom effective immediately. The two don't have any background as bookers although Okada was part of a pro wrestling club while in college that staged matches.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Feb 4, 2024 23:40:59 GMT -5
It's a tale as old as time in wrestling that contract tampering is fine when you do it to other people but becomes a disgusting act when someone else does it back to you. See Vince being mad at WCW talking to Nash and Hall before their contracts ended after all the dozens/hundreds of times he must have did similar. See Tony ranting about tampering a while back after all the obvious times he must have partaken in it.
If Rossy didn't want to work with AEW because he was mad at them trying to poach Mayu then he's caught doing the same to others while possibly trying to start a new company with them how can you possibly have sympathy for him? I have no sympathy in general for anyone whining about tampering. Everyone does it and it's only a good thing for talent to scout for the best offers. If there was literally no contract tampering the only ones who'd benefit are the rich execs.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2024 23:44:37 GMT -5
From the Observer site: Stardom founder and booker Rossy Ogawa was fired today by Bushiroad after being accused of attempting to poach talent to leave the promotion. The story dates back about nine months when Bushiroad execs started overruling Ogawa to the dismay of both himself and talent and some of the more outlandish booking decisions. Ogawa constantly being overruled on booking and business decisions by Bushiroad Fight President Katsuhiko Harada led to his decision to leave the company. Harada was later replaced by Taro Okada in that position in November. However this continued under Okada and Ogawa had already made plans to leave. He had been under the impression that he would have autonomy on booking and business when he sold Stardom to Bushiroad in 2009. That included a five year-non compete. It was known that the affiliation between the two sides was going to end on 2/18 as Ogawa had given notice some time back. At first, today’s show was to be his final show, but then the sides agreed to sever ties on 2/18. However, Bushiroad decided to get ahead of the story two weeks early and made the announcement publicly that he was fired after the talent was told in a meeting following today's show in Osaka. A lot of the talent is loyal to Ogawa, who founded the company and gave most of the women their career breaks. Expect several departures from the group in March, when most of the contracts expire. The only wrestler under a longer term commitment to Stardom is IWGP Champion Mayu Iwatani, because of the movie on her life coming out. Bushiroad had known about talent leaving and some were given legal threats in recent weeks. Those who are leaving wouldn't be doing so until their contracts expire. This is part of the story of why Giulia will not be wrestling in Chicago and had said she was taking time off in March, when her contract expires. Ogawa is not going to WWE. Okada and Bushiroad Fight merchandise manager Oyama will take over as the bookers for Stardom effective immediately. The two don't have any background as bookers although Okada was part of a pro wrestling club while in college that staged matches. Yea , STARDOM I am not going to say will die but is going to be on a massive massive life support because I absoloutley expect the likes of AZM , SLK , UTAMI , TAM , MINA that will follow Rossy and that is going to be absoloutley dibiliating and of course there is Giulia.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Feb 4, 2024 23:46:36 GMT -5
It's a tale as old as time in wrestling that contract tampering is fine when you do it to other people but becomes a disgusting act when someone else does it back to you. See Vince being mad at WCW talking to Nash and Hall before their contracts ended after all the dozens/hundreds of times he must have did similar. See Tony ranting about tampering a while back after all the obvious times he must have partaken in it. If Rossy didn't want to work with AEW because he was mad at them trying to poach Mayu then he's caught doing the same to others while possibly trying to start a new company with them how can you possibly have sympathy for him? I have no sympathy in general for anyone whining about tampering. Everyone does it and it's only a good thing for talent to scout for the best offers. If there was literally no contract tampering the only ones who'd benefit are the rich execs. People like Rossy can absolutely tamper if they want. But they should not expect to remain employed if their boss finds out about it if they weren't supposed to be doing it.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Feb 4, 2024 23:47:24 GMT -5
This is wild.
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Post by darbus alan on Feb 4, 2024 23:48:46 GMT -5
So he was already leaving, but this is a "you can't quit, you're fired!" thing because of a lot of pettiness.
Rossy is real lucky he was able to build a lot of loyalty with great wrestlers. Guy always came off like a real asshole otherwise.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Feb 4, 2024 23:54:20 GMT -5
It's a tale as old as time in wrestling that contract tampering is fine when you do it to other people but becomes a disgusting act when someone else does it back to you. See Vince being mad at WCW talking to Nash and Hall before their contracts ended after all the dozens/hundreds of times he must have did similar. See Tony ranting about tampering a while back after all the obvious times he must have partaken in it. If Rossy didn't want to work with AEW because he was mad at them trying to poach Mayu then he's caught doing the same to others while possibly trying to start a new company with them how can you possibly have sympathy for him? I have no sympathy in general for anyone whining about tampering. Everyone does it and it's only a good thing for talent to scout for the best offers. If there was literally no contract tampering the only ones who'd benefit are the rich execs. People like Rossy can absolutely tamper if they want. But they should not expect to remain employed if their boss finds out about it if they weren't supposed to be doing it. While AEW is clearly a part of it, and this all kind of reads strangely to me, but sounds like the bigger issue was either encouraging wrestlers to leave or planning an exodus like All Japan experienced multiple times. Now Tony drunk tweeting doesn't help and there was always clearly issues there, but I get the impression this is less WWE/AEW than Bushiroad vs Rossy
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Feb 4, 2024 23:57:56 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2024 23:59:39 GMT -5
People like Rossy can absolutely tamper if they want. But they should not expect to remain employed if their boss finds out about it if they weren't supposed to be doing it. While AEW is clearly a part of it, and this all kind of reads strangely to me, but sounds like the bigger issue was either encouraging wrestlers to leave or planning an exodus like All Japan experienced multiple times. Now Tony drunk tweeting doesn't help and there was always clearly issues there, but I get the impression this is less WWE/AEW than Bushiroad vs Rossy I think the other issue people are taking from this is that...Rossy was more or less funneling his talent that had stateside asperations to anywhere else except AEW. Now there are a few holes in that arguement...mainly the likes of Utami on ROH which while not any of the main AEW shows is still run and operated by TK regardless.
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Post by mistery on Feb 5, 2024 0:00:59 GMT -5
People like Rossy can absolutely tamper if they want. But they should not expect to remain employed if their boss finds out about it if they weren't supposed to be doing it. While AEW is clearly a part of it, and this all kind of reads strangely to me, but sounds like the bigger issue was either encouraging wrestlers to leave or planning an exodus like All Japan experienced multiple times. Now Tony drunk tweeting doesn't help and there was always clearly issues there, but I get the impression this is less WWE/AEW than Bushiroad vs Rossy If anything, I would say this is going to damage Tony's chances of getting any of these women who will leave in March. Him going on social media and openly shitting on Rossy is a great way to piss people off. Especially those close to him. Which are a lot of the women there. Also it cannot be understated how much of a complete clusterf*** Bushiroad is right now, in pretty much all aspects. Their card games are crashing and burning, their mobile division is quickly following suit, and now their wrestling division is in complete disarray now as well. That's ignoring the yen which is still weakening significantly as well.
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Feb 5, 2024 0:02:04 GMT -5
I saw someone point out AEW has signed Mariah, Riho, Bayne, Hayter and apparently Thekla
WWE got Kairi..
So yeah I don't see it being a AEW/WWE thing?
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Post by kingoftheindies on Feb 5, 2024 0:05:15 GMT -5
I saw someone point out AEW has signed Mariah, Riho, Bayne, Hayter and apparently Thekla WWE got Kairi.. So yeah I don't see it being a AEW/WWE thing? It's being seen as an AEW think cause Tony is drunk texting cause he and Rossy do not get along and cause SRS said he had heard rumors of Rossy going to WWE so I think SOME of it is people piecing things together.
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Post by Gus Richlen: Ruffian on Feb 5, 2024 0:05:22 GMT -5
Also accroding to SRS, when some of the WWE women heard the "ROSSY TO WWE" rumors their reaction was disgust. So yeah.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2024 0:06:50 GMT -5
I saw someone point out AEW has signed Mariah, Riho, Bayne, Hayter and apparently Thekla WWE got Kairi.. So yeah I don't see it being a AEW/WWE thing? Idk about Riho others definetly know more about her situation. Bayne Hayter Mariah May Those are just women who went on excursions sure they were well liked but not women with overly strong loyalty to Rossy or the promotion in general. Thekla I am sure loves her time in STARDOM but has always felt like...she goes wherver Giulia goes that is where her loyalty is.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Feb 5, 2024 0:07:30 GMT -5
Also accroding to SRS, when some of the WWE women heard the "ROSSY TO WWE" rumors their reaction was disgust. So yeah. Asuka might become a literal killer clown if she catches him backstage.
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Post by darbus alan on Feb 5, 2024 0:08:31 GMT -5
Yeah, this sounds less like an AEW/WWE thing and more like "Man who is already a big headache and on his way out was actively undermining our business."
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