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Post by Cyno on Feb 5, 2024 0:40:04 GMT -5
If you want to get an idea of how much of a mess Bushiroad's mobile game division is right now: they recently announced a Love Live gacha game coming to the US. In the same announcement, they revealed it would also be shutting down a few months later. It is genuinely one of the most bizarre things I've ever seen in the video game industry.
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Post by jm on Feb 5, 2024 0:44:25 GMT -5
Because Tony books 1 women's match a show? Collision the past two weeks and their multiple women's matches on each show say hi.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2024 0:54:19 GMT -5
If you want to get an idea of how much of a mess Bushiroad's mobile game division is right now: they recently announced a Love Live gacha game coming to the US. In the same announcement, they revealed it would also be shutting down a few months later. It is genuinely one of the most bizarre things I've ever seen in the video game industry. BushiRoad out here being like....we were so close to following in the grand foot steps of grand quest a game that came out and shutdown within the same month lol.
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Post by dbsot on Feb 5, 2024 1:21:28 GMT -5
I saw someone point out AEW has signed Mariah, Riho, Bayne, Hayter and apparently Thekla WWE got Kairi.. So yeah I don't see it being a AEW/WWE thing? I saw this too and it seems flawed. Bayne was an AEW signed talent that was allowed to work for Stardom. Hayter left Stardom in 2020 because of COVID restrictions. She didn't sign with AEW until a year later and that was after having a match in NXT UK. While Mariah did come from Stardom, her goal was always to make it to the US. Her contract was up and she was going to have two options, AEW or WWE. I also don't see these women being part of Rossy's loyal crew since they started outside Japan. I know there was some rumored issues with Riho filling Stardom dates, but not being allowed to lose. Thekla is a wait and see until she actually signs with AEW. She would be another one that is stared outside Japan and might not have the loyalty to Rossy.
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Post by "Magic" Mark Hurr on Feb 5, 2024 4:23:34 GMT -5
Wrestling sure has been scandalicious.
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Post by Fundertaker on Feb 5, 2024 6:50:36 GMT -5
While Rossy not being on the up and up was on my bingo card, things to change this quickly was certainly not.
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Post by Facetious on Feb 5, 2024 7:21:39 GMT -5
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Post by ANuclearError on Feb 5, 2024 7:30:34 GMT -5
Bruh.... like... uh Tony haha. I really hope Stardom doesn't die, I've been telling myself for years I was going to closely follow it but really haven't had the time, but still. I just assumed that Tony thought Rossy was purposely choosing conflicting dates.
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Post by J is Thunder Justice on Feb 5, 2024 7:33:06 GMT -5
Holy shit, can wrestling just calm down for one day.
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Post by J is Thunder Justice on Feb 5, 2024 7:35:37 GMT -5
![](https://i.ibb.co/q9zd0XX/share-3648402514424871641.png) "I love Stardom and old men" - Saki Kashima.
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Post by KME on Feb 5, 2024 7:45:13 GMT -5
On Mariah, did she not accuse a guy of abuse and get sued for it, while WWE didn't actually get rid of him for a while? Sure I remember reading that when she was first mentioned as being AEW bound. WWE never really sounded like an option.
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Post by chrom on Feb 5, 2024 7:52:21 GMT -5
Can Wrestling just please not have anything scandalous happen for a week or two?
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Post by dbsot on Feb 5, 2024 8:09:22 GMT -5
Can Wrestling just please not have anything scandalous happen for a week or two? It is crazy that Wrestle Kingdom was a month ago. I feel like I aged 10 years as a wrestling fan since then.
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Post by callmekc on Feb 5, 2024 8:28:56 GMT -5
I don't believe that Rossy has sighed with WWE or that it is his planned destination, but as a chaos timeline enthusiast, I want to talk about the possibility. Especially given the potential ramifications.
If WWE sign Rossy in any capacity, there will be an influx of STARDOM talent that follows out of loyalty and respect for Ogawa. If WWE sign him, they know this and are doing it for this purpose. I am no Joshi expert, but a wave of wrestlers bringing a new level of physical intensity and speed into the ring to what is currently seen in a WWE ring, and it would be happening at around about the same time that the biggest stars are going to be looking to slow down.
Like if the style is ramping up in physicality, is a 40 year old Charlotte Flair who has half a knee repaired going to be willing or able to compete in that women's ME scene when her contract is up for renewal? Would Becky want to take harder bumps on an older body or look to transition from a full time wrestler? If Ogawa leaving Stardom results in a bunch of Stardom's roster joining WWE it is going to accelerate the retirement of the current top women and it will look like a sea change. That could result in women leaving to go elsewhere, retiring with occasional legend runs or moving into a backstage role.
It would result in the women's roster getting younger, if nothing else.
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Post by HMARK Center on Feb 5, 2024 8:43:38 GMT -5
Bruh.... like... uh Tony haha. I really hope Stardom doesn't die, I've been telling myself for years I was going to closely follow it but really haven't had the time, but still. I just assumed that Tony thought Rossy was purposely choosing conflicting dates. Yeah, I highly, highly doubt you'd be getting drunk tweet Khan on this stuff if it was just a matter of "Oh, sorry, there's a show that date, can we try something else?" This whole thing sucks; I appreciated recently that Rossy had the roster's back when it came to Bushiroad pushing them to work too many shows, which has led to a cavalcade of injuries up and down the roster, combined with the absurd things like the show that was delayed two hours and various instances of seemingly no communication between management and the wrestlers. When he sold to Bushiroad, the idea was that, yes, he'd get to keep the book, but also that the company would hire the entire roster; part of why he didn't sell to WWE (back when they were offering him a Hall of Fame spot), supposedly, is that he was pretty certain a lot of them would be fired if he did. But if he's blocking people's opportunities in the west and working behind his employer's back...dude, c'mon, you can't expect it to end well. I have no doubt that he'll peel off a lot of the roster if he goes and starts a new promotion, which could very well spell the end of Stardom as we know it. At the same time, unless he gets a financial backer (and maybe he will?) Bushiroad likely retains more of the advantage with regards to having the resources to run and maintain a dojo, pay the talent enough that they don't have to work other jobs on the side, that sort of thing, so it's possible they just opt to rebuild with a strong drive to bring in new trainees. Guess we'll see. Sucks that I finally got into subscribing full time to Stardom World last year and then all of this happens, though. I don't believe that Rossy has sighed with WWE or that it is his planned destination, but as a chaos timeline enthusiast, I want to talk about the possibility. Especially given the potential ramifications. If WWE sign Rossy in any capacity, there will be an influx of STARDOM talent that follows out of loyalty and respect for Ogawa. If WWE sign him, they know this and are doing it for this purpose. I am no Joshi expert, but a wave of wrestlers bringing a new level of physical intensity and speed into the ring to what is currently seen in a WWE ring, and it would be happening at around about the same time that the biggest stars are going to be looking to slow down. Like if the style is ramping up in physicality, is a 40 year old Charlotte Flair who has half a knee repaired going to be willing or able to compete in that women's ME scene when her contract is up for renewal? Would Becky want to take harder bumps on an older body or look to transition from a full time wrestler? If Ogawa leaving Stardom results in a bunch of Stardom's roster joining WWE it is going to accelerate the retirement of the current top women and it will look like a sea change. That could result in women leaving to go elsewhere, retiring with occasional legend runs or moving into a backstage role. It would result in the women's roster getting younger, if nothing else. Think it'd also accelerate the retirement of a lot of the joshi talent, honestly; a lot of them are getting hurt right now by working such an intense style on an unsustainable schedule that Bushiroad's pushed on them, and that wouldn't improve in WWE. If anything, it could get worse, given the increase in travel.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Feb 5, 2024 9:04:07 GMT -5
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Post by mistery on Feb 5, 2024 9:11:54 GMT -5
I just assumed that Tony thought Rossy was purposely choosing conflicting dates. Yeah, I highly, highly doubt you'd be getting drunk tweet Khan on this stuff if it was just a matter of "Oh, sorry, there's a show that date, can we try something else?" This whole thing sucks; I appreciated recently that Rossy had the roster's back when it came to Bushiroad pushing them to work too many shows, which has led to a cavalcade of injuries up and down the roster, combined with the absurd things like the show that was delayed two hours and various instances of seemingly no communication between management and the wrestlers. When he sold to Bushiroad, the idea was that, yes, he'd get to keep the book, but also that the company would hire the entire roster; part of why he didn't sell to WWE (back when they were offering him a Hall of Fame spot), supposedly, is that he was pretty certain a lot of them would be fired if he did. But if he's blocking people's opportunities in the west and working behind his employer's back...dude, c'mon, you can't expect it to end well. I have no doubt that he'll peel off a lot of the roster if he goes and starts a new promotion, which could very well spell the end of Stardom as we know it. At the same time, unless he gets a financial backer (and maybe he will?) Bushiroad likely retains more of the advantage with regards to having the resources to run and maintain a dojo, pay the talent enough that they don't have to work other jobs on the side, that sort of thing, so it's possible they just opt to rebuild with a strong drive to bring in new trainees. Guess we'll see. Sucks that I finally got into subscribing full time to Stardom World last year and then all of this happens, though. I don't believe that Rossy has sighed with WWE or that it is his planned destination, but as a chaos timeline enthusiast, I want to talk about the possibility. Especially given the potential ramifications. If WWE sign Rossy in any capacity, there will be an influx of STARDOM talent that follows out of loyalty and respect for Ogawa. If WWE sign him, they know this and are doing it for this purpose. I am no Joshi expert, but a wave of wrestlers bringing a new level of physical intensity and speed into the ring to what is currently seen in a WWE ring, and it would be happening at around about the same time that the biggest stars are going to be looking to slow down. Like if the style is ramping up in physicality, is a 40 year old Charlotte Flair who has half a knee repaired going to be willing or able to compete in that women's ME scene when her contract is up for renewal? Would Becky want to take harder bumps on an older body or look to transition from a full time wrestler? If Ogawa leaving Stardom results in a bunch of Stardom's roster joining WWE it is going to accelerate the retirement of the current top women and it will look like a sea change. That could result in women leaving to go elsewhere, retiring with occasional legend runs or moving into a backstage role. It would result in the women's roster getting younger, if nothing else. Think it'd also accelerate the retirement of a lot of the joshi talent, honestly; a lot of them are getting hurt right now by working such an intense style on an unsustainable schedule that Bushiroad's pushed on them, and that wouldn't improve in WWE. If anything, it could get worse, given the increase in travel. I think there's a big difference between the Bushiroad schedule and the WWE schedule, in that you are going to take much harder and nastier bumps in STARDOM than you are in WWE. Also Rossy's dislike of Tony is pretty much entirely justified. AEW tried poaching Mayu back when AEW first started (which was a huge no-no, because Mayu is basically Rossy's adopted daughter), and Tony has tried to meddle in the booking of STARDOM before, if rumors are true (and its likely they are). As for bankrolling a new promotion, Rossy is very well off right now, plus you have to imagine TKO/Endeavor is salivating at the prospect of making inroads into Japan. Ari has been very open about how he sees it as a market they really want to break into. If you think they aren't seriously considering bankrolling Rossy to start a promotion just to make inroads into Japan, I dunno what to tell you. And Bushiroad itself is in a pretty shaky spot financially. I know Rossy supposedly told Kairi to go back to WWE, but it was also rumored that Bushiroad isn't wanting to give out raises or better deals for talents as well. Kairi wanted more money for more dates, which is entirely understandable and acceptable.
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Post by callmekc on Feb 5, 2024 9:46:14 GMT -5
Think it'd also accelerate the retirement of a lot of the joshi talent, honestly; a lot of them are getting hurt right now by working such an intense style on an unsustainable schedule that Bushiroad's pushed on them, and that wouldn't improve in WWE. If anything, it could get worse, given the increase in travel. If WWE became home to half the stardom roster (exaggeration) they would learn to ratchet back the intensity depending on the show. Like someone would teach them 'these are the shows where we f*** about and practice spots for big matches. These are the shows where we build our brand, hit our signature stuff and sell the show. And THESE are the shows you go full send.' But yeah, it would be a chaotic time. Also can you plausibility check this train of thought: Ogawa has contacts in WWE, they were in negotiations to buy Stardom, I've seen it posted on Reddit that he was involved in Giulia going to WWE. WWE are looking to expand into Japan. This is evident with their NXT Japan idea, sending Dempsey to AJPW and the fact that they are even looking to sign Okada. Running a major promotion in Japan is difficult at this time, requiring investment from a parent company. If this were not the case, Cyberfight and Bushiroad wouldn't exist and own six of the biggest federations. Even so, companies like NOAH and AJPW do not turn a profit. Neither of the two major parent companies are going to pick up a new company he starts. For Bushiroad, the reason is obvious. For Cyberfight it would be direct competition for TJPW. Ogawa would straight up not work in WWE running main roster shows. He straight up sabotaged Bushiroad when they were involved in making decisions about the show. He isn't going to be the or even a booker in WWE, and if he were given the book for the women's division I can't see him liking the idea of his matches being put together by Tyson Kidd or another road agent. WWE could give him the resources he needs to make a new company, with minimal oversight (between time delay, language barrier and conflicting schedules) with wrestlers that are ready and willing to move Stateside doing so when the time is right. It is reasonable to assume that Ogawa is well connected to the wrestling scene in Japan and could help WWE find companies willing to align with them as a parent company.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2024 9:52:24 GMT -5
Rossy will have absoloutley no issue starting new promotion if he wants to.
This is a man who has been around since the AJWP days and has started promotions from scratch twice and been very successful and cultivated very very big connections so if he is wanting to start over then it will be very easy and let's not forget he made a very nice chunk of change selling STARDOM to Bushiroad also.
And considering how much loyalty he has cultivated within his roster that will follow him , STARDOM is all but at deaths door now.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2024 9:56:13 GMT -5
As for STARDOM women making an influx into WWE.
They would have to tone it down severely and we know this we have seen it...AZM alone would be nowhere near the speed demon she is because not a single woman on the WWE roster barring another Joshi could ever keep up with her.
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