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Post by Cyno on Aug 20, 2020 18:31:35 GMT -5
Again, going off from Cash's stupid arguments My issue isnt the wrestler safety,I trust them that so far they have done a good job. My issue is SPREADING THE VIRUS AMONG FANS Yeah, there's enough distance between the fan seating and where the wrestlers and crew are where short of a freak occurrence they're not in any unique danger from fans attending.
The big danger is fans spreading it among each other and to venue staff, especially if they do the idiotic and have concessions and merch available without any measures to reduce or outright eliminate lines for them.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Aug 20, 2020 19:56:58 GMT -5
I don't trust that they'll be upfront about it if someone in the crowd does get it.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Aug 20, 2020 21:32:33 GMT -5
Can’t AEW just make a Lightning Box or whatever and have fans watch it virtually?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2020 21:40:08 GMT -5
We aren't going to wake up one day to headlines of a vaccine and life going back to normal overnight it's going to be a very gradual return to normal which has to be started sometime so I get what they're trying to do they should just wait until winter, Florida has a mild winter so outdoor shows a possibility but temperatures drop enough to keep everyone subdued enough to not lark around and obey the rules, also by winter virus will have torn through Florida so much it'll have run out of places to go.
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Post by Cyno on Aug 20, 2020 22:52:44 GMT -5
Yes, the vaccine won't be an instantaneous rollout and things will have to gradually get back to normal. But right now we don't have anything. With a lack of consistent or competent government response in many places at the state and federal level, the most protection we have against this virus right now is trusting our fellow citizens' good judgment and... well, we're just doing a cracker jack job at that aren't we?
The sad thing is that what AEW is doing here is reckless and can go wrong in so many ways, and it's still one of the better re-opening responses I've seen.
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Post by polarbearpete on Aug 20, 2020 23:26:22 GMT -5
I get people's concerns but AEW is a new company and they can't afford to keep losing money. It's either this or there would be major cutbacks with the company eventually folding, depending on when this virus gets to f***. With extra expenses in having fans there and ticket broker fees, they will barely be making any money and definitely not enough to be worth the risk. 500 tickets at $30 a pop is $15,000 a show gross.
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Post by lucas_lee on Aug 20, 2020 23:42:21 GMT -5
They're definitely not going to control social distancing and mask wearing while people wait to get into the show. I have a feeling if an outbreak happens it'll be from there
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 21, 2020 0:22:11 GMT -5
I think AEW could afford to not do this, absolutely. I like AEW a lot, but I do not think this is something being done on pure need at all.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 21, 2020 1:07:55 GMT -5
I think AEW could afford to not do this, absolutely. I like AEW a lot, but I do not think this is something being done on pure need at all. My theory is, Khan wants to advance storylines and he doesn't want to do it without genuine fan reaction. Maybe also working in front of a crowd will help the wrestlers be crisper in ring and be more motivated? These are just spitballs but I feel like it's on a production side of things than a necessity. AEW's probably had the best looking live presentation of any US promotion so far in the pandemic, they really don't HAVE to change things up right now like WWE's had to because the PC staging has really not been ideal. So the closest I can think is, they wanna advance things, and advance them with fans, which is why this is happening right before All Out. Not saying that's the right idea, not even saying that's WHY they're doing it because I don't know for sure, but if there was any reason they were doing it if it's not really for costs as some have said, this sounds plausible.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fadeaway on Aug 21, 2020 1:11:35 GMT -5
That tweet about "mask wearing, socially distanced, CDC guideline following wrestling fans" is so weird I'm kinda astonished that it's not a sarcastic jab at the company.
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Post by Bad Moon on Aug 21, 2020 2:50:22 GMT -5
It's absolutely f***ing disgraceful. I hope for everyone's sake that nobody shows up and stays safe but I don't trust wrestling fans and especially not Americans to.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 21, 2020 4:16:16 GMT -5
I think AEW could afford to not do this, absolutely. I like AEW a lot, but I do not think this is something being done on pure need at all. My theory is, Khan wants to advance storylines and he doesn't want to do it without genuine fan reaction. Maybe also working in front of a crowd will help the wrestlers be crisper in ring and be more motivated? These are just spitballs but I feel like it's on a production side of things than a necessity. AEW's probably had the best looking live presentation of any US promotion so far in the pandemic, they really don't HAVE to change things up right now like WWE's had to because the PC staging has really not been ideal. So the closest I can think is, they wanna advance things, and advance them with fans, which is why this is happening right before All Out. Not saying that's the right idea, not even saying that's WHY they're doing it because I don't know for sure, but if there was any reason they were doing it if it's not really for costs as some have said, this sounds plausible. Adapt. You can lean on “fan pay off” when their are no crowds anywhere. Would be incredibly selfish to wants fans just so you can get a pop. Add in sound if you have to but wanting to add a crowd to advance storylines is 100% a bad reason to bring them back Adapt or perish
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 21, 2020 7:31:43 GMT -5
My theory is, Khan wants to advance storylines and he doesn't want to do it without genuine fan reaction. Maybe also working in front of a crowd will help the wrestlers be crisper in ring and be more motivated? These are just spitballs but I feel like it's on a production side of things than a necessity. AEW's probably had the best looking live presentation of any US promotion so far in the pandemic, they really don't HAVE to change things up right now like WWE's had to because the PC staging has really not been ideal. So the closest I can think is, they wanna advance things, and advance them with fans, which is why this is happening right before All Out. Not saying that's the right idea, not even saying that's WHY they're doing it because I don't know for sure, but if there was any reason they were doing it if it's not really for costs as some have said, this sounds plausible. Adapt. You can lean on “fan pay off” when their are no crowds anywhere. Would be incredibly selfish to wants fans just so you can get a pop. Add in sound if you have to but wanting to add a crowd to advance storylines is 100% a bad reason to bring them back Adapt or perish Again I ain't saying for sure, the answer could just be as simple as they want to try it, could be multiple reasons. Unless Khan elaborates it's all speculation. They really don't need to as I said given I've liked their setup, but at this point it's just a hope nothing goes wrong if this is the plan. Like all the other sporting events that seem to be wanting to try this with open air venues, they really better be mindful, especially given Florida's state of affairs right now.
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Post by deezy on Aug 21, 2020 7:40:24 GMT -5
My theory is, Khan wants to advance storylines and he doesn't want to do it without genuine fan reaction. Maybe also working in front of a crowd will help the wrestlers be crisper in ring and be more motivated? These are just spitballs but I feel like it's on a production side of things than a necessity. AEW's probably had the best looking live presentation of any US promotion so far in the pandemic, they really don't HAVE to change things up right now like WWE's had to because the PC staging has really not been ideal. So the closest I can think is, they wanna advance things, and advance them with fans, which is why this is happening right before All Out. Not saying that's the right idea, not even saying that's WHY they're doing it because I don't know for sure, but if there was any reason they were doing it if it's not really for costs as some have said, this sounds plausible. Adapt. You can lean on “fan pay off” when their are no crowds anywhere. Would be incredibly selfish to wants fans just so you can get a pop. Add in sound if you have to but wanting to add a crowd to advance storylines is 100% a bad reason to bring them back Adapt or perish If that was the reason that would be really, really selfish. Being its Tony Khan it wouldn't surprise me.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 21, 2020 7:47:15 GMT -5
Adapt. You can lean on “fan pay off” when their are no crowds anywhere. Would be incredibly selfish to wants fans just so you can get a pop. Add in sound if you have to but wanting to add a crowd to advance storylines is 100% a bad reason to bring them back Adapt or perish Again I ain't saying for sure, the answer could just be as simple as they want to try it, could be multiple reasons. Unless Khan elaborates it's all speculation. They really don't need to as I said given I've liked their setup, but at this point it's just a hope nothing goes wrong if this is the plan. Like all the other sporting events that seem to be wanting to try this with open air venues, they really better be mindful, especially given Florida's state of affairs right now. Nothing outside of we really need the money will really be a satisfactory answer and even then, make cuts if you have to, to survive. They can’t play the front game like they got it, if they don’t. As it stands, it just looks like a bad decision all around. Having the crowd back is a want not a need and with Florida being a hotspot it just makes this decision even worse. They can preach all the optics they want about open air stadiums and this, that and the 3rd but the realization is we are still in the middle of a pandemic, where they are in a hot spot and bringing any type of audience outside of a necessity is a big time risk
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 21, 2020 8:44:50 GMT -5
Ok, any talk of "it's all about personal responsibility" is absolute misleading horseshit, and I'd appreciate anyone thinking of advocating for it to stop and think before posting. Say for a moment that the virus was just a case of individuals catching it and not really spreading it too easily; even in that case it'd still be reckless to say "I'm aware of the risks, I've made my choice!" because one of the biggest freaking problems in all of this is emergency rooms getting overwhelmed by COVID cases, leading to more people getting sick or dying because they can't get treatment. But this IS a highly contagious virus, so no, it's not just about you, it's about you getting yourself exposed, potentially sick or asymptomatic, and then spreading it to a shitload of other people. And no, "I want to do things that are fun" in no way equates with "I need to do things like have food to eat and clothes to wear". However: I call 100% CAP on that. You feel safer, sweating in a ring, in your underwear with minimal cover and 500 people in the stands plus however many camera and crew people as opposed to going to get coffee which they do not let many people in the store and you are required to wear a mask in order to get into the store Technically, if everyone on staff is getting regularly tested? Yes, there's a case he might be safer. Stores are close-contact, can lead to prolonged contact in some situations, and there's no guarantee of the people around you having been tested or taking any safety precautions. If the fans are hundreds of feet away, if the AEW wrestlers and staff are all tested regularly, etc., then his risk of infection working an outdoor venue is incredibly small. Granted, that's only the wrestlers, the issue here concerns the fans. I am 100% on board with society erring on the side of caution in all of this. I live in a region that got rocked by this thing in the early days, and it took a shitload of time and effort for us to get things under control; even then, we're often on the brink of things going wrong, like the recent uptick of cases in New Jersey shows. I'm a teacher, too, and I'm dreading what the reopening of classrooms is going to look like without a readily available vaccine out there yet. At the same time, there is sound science out there concerning limited ways that people, companies, businesses, events, etc. can operate in a way closer to normal, and ignoring it does us no favors, either. Assuming AEW is committed to following through on what they're calling for here, they can essentially keep the risk of spread within the venue to zero: open air venue, masks required, limited and distanced seat pods with no cross pollination between people in different groups, etc., is about as safe as you can get; you can have an infected person in such a setting and should not have any spread whatsoever. Don't mistake me: if I was in charge, I wouldn't choose to do this. The argument "wrestling isn't worth even a remote chance on this" is a fine one in my book, fears of Florida being such a hotbed are more than justified (and Jacksonville isn't far from Georgia, where per capita infection is even worse), and I also appreciate concerns that certain kinds of enforcement at the venue could prove tough to fully implement. Ultimately, though, if they've consulted with health professionals and if they do even the bare minimum (e.g. stagger times fans can enter the venue, have security available to make sure people stay in their pods, keep a limit on number of people allowed in a bathroom at the same time, etc.) then they'll have successfully followed the science on the matter and kept risks to such a remote minimum that it'd take extraordinary circumstances for something to go wrong. Given that, and given that this is only being attempted after seeing if such plans can work in similar settings, it does not qualify as "reckless" or something that would give anyone at CDC a conniption. Again, question if it's even worth the chance and I'm with you, but there's a level of thinking out there that goes so far in the "everything's screwed" direction that it risks ignoring science, too, albeit in a less dangerous way than how the COVID-iots out there ignore safety protocols.
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Post by markymark on Aug 21, 2020 9:24:30 GMT -5
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Post by Cyno on Aug 21, 2020 12:43:23 GMT -5
The whole "personal responsibility" argument completely falls apart when Americans can't handle something as simple as wearing a cloth mask in spaces with other people without seeing it as a personal affront on their liberties.
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 21, 2020 13:05:10 GMT -5
Ugh, someone's saying that Ticketmaster is allowing resales of the tickets, which would screw up having the isolated pods; can't have four people from one group, then suddenly two strangers sitting next to them because they bought on the secondary market. Hope that gets addressed ASAP.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 21, 2020 13:11:32 GMT -5
Ugh, someone's saying that Ticketmaster is allowing resales of the tickets, which would screw up having the isolated pods; can't have four people from one group, then suddenly two strangers sitting next to them because they bought on the secondary market. Hope that gets addressed ASAP. People are going to try to find loopholes That needs to be addressed and hopefully it is FL only. They need to be checking IDs at the door
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