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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 22:07:44 GMT -5
An example is Mass Effect 3. Game had a trash ending that damaged it and the series. I never replayed it but I can't say everything prior to that ending was as bad as the finale but with that said, they took a big hit. The sad part is that the game as a whole is actually pretty damned good, save for the last 45 minutes or so where they kinda just puked out an ending with no real repercussions of the decisions you made over the franchise. Funny part is, I fully believe that it's the increased exposure of social media that hurts it far more than the game itself. KotOR 2 had an absolute ass of an ending (practically a 'Holy Grail' ending where they ran out of code, lol), but it's still remembered more fondly thanks to a combination of fans releasing the original code for the end and the overall social hivemind back then not being nearly as toxic as it was when ME3 pulled a similar end. I think the funniest part of the whole thing regarding ME3 is the one "tacked on" component of ME3, the multiplayer, was my most-played game of 2012 by far. I've only played through ME3 twice (for both my Paragon and Renegade characters), but I easily played through ME3 multiplayer for thousands of hours until the servers more or less had 15-minute queues. When I think about that game I really can't think of much besides that final mission and it sucks because the game was great. I really enjoyed it but alas, that ending really changed the perception of it. Ahhhhh, see I completely forgot it even had multiplayer lmao. That was during that whole "hey every game needs a multiplayer component including third person action games" era lol.
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Post by Shark on Apr 14, 2020 22:16:05 GMT -5
I've begun to wonder if maybe the effects of this are only temporary. Like maybe in the immediate aftermath, we may feel the whole show is now tainted, but with some time, maybe the finale isn't bas bad as we thought.
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Post by Ryushinku on Apr 15, 2020 3:22:08 GMT -5
The sad part is that the game as a whole is actually pretty damned good, save for the last 45 minutes or so where they kinda just puked out an ending with no real repercussions of the decisions you made over the franchise. Funny part is, I fully believe that it's the increased exposure of social media that hurts it far more than the game itself. KotOR 2 had an absolute ass of an ending (practically a 'Holy Grail' ending where they ran out of code, lol), but it's still remembered more fondly thanks to a combination of fans releasing the original code for the end and the overall social hivemind back then not being nearly as toxic as it was when ME3 pulled a similar end. I think the funniest part of the whole thing regarding ME3 is the one "tacked on" component of ME3, the multiplayer, was my most-played game of 2012 by far. I've only played through ME3 twice (for both my Paragon and Renegade characters), but I easily played through ME3 multiplayer for thousands of hours until the servers more or less had 15-minute queues. Great post, I had the exact same experience. With the main game (and trilogy) and the multiplayer. One of those rare times where the elevator goes up and you can almost feel the storybook being yanked out of other writers' hands, and someone else (cough Hudson cough Walters cough) going "Now, everyone pay attention because we are the important people and this is REALLY what it was all about." Sure, may have been right at the start (very arguable) but the whole thing has changed and evolved and adapted so much that you're now ignoring your own story. The Expended Ending ending helped, but in a 4/10 instead of 2/10 kinda way. Still a shame. Citadel was a better feeling finale, and if I every replay the trilogy I'll once again save that for last.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 15, 2020 3:27:40 GMT -5
The sad part is that the game as a whole is actually pretty damned good, save for the last 45 minutes or so where they kinda just puked out an ending with no real repercussions of the decisions you made over the franchise. Funny part is, I fully believe that it's the increased exposure of social media that hurts it far more than the game itself. KotOR 2 had an absolute ass of an ending (practically a 'Holy Grail' ending where they ran out of code, lol), but it's still remembered more fondly thanks to a combination of fans releasing the original code for the end and the overall social hivemind back then not being nearly as toxic as it was when ME3 pulled a similar end. I think the funniest part of the whole thing regarding ME3 is the one "tacked on" component of ME3, the multiplayer, was my most-played game of 2012 by far. I've only played through ME3 twice (for both my Paragon and Renegade characters), but I easily played through ME3 multiplayer for thousands of hours until the servers more or less had 15-minute queues. Great post, I had the exact same experience. With the main game (and trilogy) and the multiplayer. One of those rare times where the elevator goes up and you can almost feel the storybook being yanked out of other writers' hands, and someone else (cough Hudson cough Walters cough) going "Now, everyone pay attention because we are the important people and this is REALLY what it was all about." Sure, may have been right at the start (very arguable) but the whole thing has changed and evolved and adapted so much that you're now ignoring your own story. The Expended Ending ending helped, but in a 4/10 instead of 2/10 kinda way. Still a shame. Citadel was a better feeling finale, and if I every replay the trilogy I'll once again save that for last. yeah the extended ending still leaves you with the thing they stated for 2 whole games they weren't... it didn't matter what you did up to that point... it all came down to Blue, Red, or Green... (or shoot the kid and get the ultra bad ending)... having a little more explained by the kid at the end is ... nice I guess... but it still just seems to be talking about a bunch of shit... that should have been even referenced a little at any point in the three stories before this... and really all it fixed was that it didn't completely doom pretty much every society by having the Mass Relays remain in tact.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Apr 15, 2020 4:03:15 GMT -5
Just my 2 cents on two of the shows mentioned. I rewatched Seinfeld last year and just stopped before the finale. Enjoyed the show very much. But I have not been able to watch a single episode of HIMYM since that finale. Has to do with the serialization thing mentioned by others.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2020 4:19:17 GMT -5
On the video game note I feel like a really weird one is Danganronpa V3, in that I actually like its ending (though a looooot of people don't)... but it still makes it extremely hard to care that much on a repeat playthrough.
Essentially the ending is that it turns out that all of the casts' personalities and memories are implanted for the purposes of a reality show and all of the insane twists and turns you've heard throughout the entire game to that point are complete bullshit as a commentary on the franchise as a whole (with all of the previous entries in the series being in-universe fiction) and on the nature of fandom... maybe because the main villain is definitely lying about some things and potentially about all of it, but to what extent is kept extremely ambiguous. It makes it extremely hard to get invested in... pretty much anything on revisiting the game knowing that none of it actually matters. By design but still.
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Post by Ryushinku on Apr 15, 2020 8:11:02 GMT -5
having a little more explained by the kid at the end is ... nice I guess... but it still just seems to be talking about a bunch of shit... that should have been even referenced a little at any point in the three stories before this... and really all it fixed was that it didn't completely doom pretty much every society by having the Mass Relays remain in tact. The thing that rubbed me up the wrong way the most was the basis that tech and biology would never be able to work together and you had to pick one or the other. And sure, it was hard to do, but you completely could walk the line through the games and bring peace between even the Geth and the Quarians, and it tries to pretend you couldn't and didn't. That, and Synthesis being meant to be the 'nicest', holds-hand-across-the-water-and-all-work-together ending, but was actually terrifying body horror inflicted on untold billions of the unwilling when you gave it any thought at all. I'd better not get started
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Post by BorneAgain on Apr 15, 2020 8:16:54 GMT -5
I feel like Scrubs weirdly gets it both ways going, in that the last season continued the show when no one wanted it and dragged down a great ending note.... but said great ending note tends to make everyone overlook that the show had largely been dropping in quality for a long time leading up to it. Honestly Scrubs has a weird roller coaster of quality where there the enjoyment started to dip in season 5, bottoming out in season 6/7 before finally getting better in 8... and then dropping like a stone in 9.
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