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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 9:55:03 GMT -5
Something something How I Met Your Mother. I agreed because the finale undercuts the journey of the series. Like in the movie contact when Jodie Foster meets the Alien and it's the Alien as her father. Which I never got the hate for Seinfeld's finale. The whole premise of the show is the characters never learn anything. So we see in the finale that it catchs up to them and still while in a jail cell they still haven't learned anything. It's not a happy ending which was kind of the point. The only real problem I can find with Seinfeld is that is was basically a clip episode. Why waste the end to the biggest sitcom of the 90's on a clip show?
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Post by Tenshigure on Apr 14, 2020 9:56:03 GMT -5
An example is Mass Effect 3. Game had a trash ending that damaged it and the series. I never replayed it but I can't say everything prior to that ending was as bad as the finale but with that said, they took a big hit. The sad part is that the game as a whole is actually pretty damned good, save for the last 45 minutes or so where they kinda just puked out an ending with no real repercussions of the decisions you made over the franchise. Funny part is, I fully believe that it's the increased exposure of social media that hurts it far more than the game itself. KotOR 2 had an absolute ass of an ending (practically a 'Holy Grail' ending where they ran out of code, lol), but it's still remembered more fondly thanks to a combination of fans releasing the original code for the end and the overall social hivemind back then not being nearly as toxic as it was when ME3 pulled a similar end. I think the funniest part of the whole thing regarding ME3 is the one "tacked on" component of ME3, the multiplayer, was my most-played game of 2012 by far. I've only played through ME3 twice (for both my Paragon and Renegade characters), but I easily played through ME3 multiplayer for thousands of hours until the servers more or less had 15-minute queues.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Apr 14, 2020 9:57:29 GMT -5
I think he consensus here is that it depends on the kind of show. An episodic comedy like Friends or Seinfeld can get away with a ho-hum ending (for the record I like both) but if it's an ongoing myth arc-based show, screwing up the ending makes it feel like you wasted your time getting invested if the payoff was bad.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Apr 14, 2020 11:02:47 GMT -5
I'll put it one way; Throughout the stuff I've seen about social media and from people I know about stuff they're going back to and binge watching for the first time, one show in particular isn't up there even though it was a cultural milestone for years; Game of Thrones. That more covers a season than a finale but still. A season is different from a finale tho. Like that whole season was basically marketed that as each episode is like a final chapter and the obvious final chapter is the end of everything When you market something as the final season and it falls very flat, that effects the whole series which I can agree with to an extent. This brings up a good point, though. While I definitely think a bad series finale can taint the rest of the show. I think a bad final season does much more damage. A bad series finale leaves a bad taste in the mouth, especially if the storylines you like lead up to that bad finale, but if what you liked about the show is detached enough from the finale you can just ignore it. If the whole last season is bad, it's generally wide ranging enough that it's guaranteed to ruin not just a storyline, but a character or many characters you cared about. Take Deathly Hallows, for example: I gladly pretend the last chapter never happened, because it's written like poor fanfiction, but it doesn't take away from the story, or the series as a whole. Now, if the entire book was bad, I think Harry Potter could've lost much of its significance in pop culture.
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Post by Drillbit Taylor on Apr 14, 2020 11:06:24 GMT -5
It can leave a bad taste but I don’t think it outright taints the full series before hand.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 14, 2020 11:08:00 GMT -5
A season is different from a finale tho. Like that whole season was basically marketed that as each episode is like a final chapter and the obvious final chapter is the end of everything When you market something as the final season and it falls very flat, that effects the whole series which I can agree with to an extent. This brings up a good point, though. While I definitely think a bad series finale can taint the rest of the show. I think a bad final season does much more damage. A bad series finale leaves a bad taste in the mouth, especially if the storylines you like lead up to that bad finale, but if what you liked about the show is detached enough from the finale you can just ignore it. If the whole last season is bad, it's generally wide ranging enough that it's guaranteed to ruin not just a storyline, but a character or many characters you cared about. Take Deathly Hallows, for example: I gladly pretend the last chapter never happened, because it's written like poor fanfiction, but it doesn't take away from the story, or the series as a whole. Now, if the entire book was bad, I think Harry Potter could've lost much of its significance in pop culture. Right You can get past a bad episode somewhat because while it didn't end the way you wanted, you can look back on the journey. Unless it was something like HIMYM where the whole show was made for this build up and you f***ed it then that's different. But yeah, if a whole last season is bad then you f*** up a lot of things from characters to story points and it leaves a very sour taste in your mouth
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Post by BorneAgain on Apr 14, 2020 12:26:58 GMT -5
While not ideal, the Seinfeld finale never really bothered me. Partially because I could so easily envision episodes taking place after it that would humorously play off what happened. Like hypothetically a time skip ahead a year where in a single episode we see:
-Jerry having written a series of prison jokes for his stand-up gigs only to be annoyed that Bania has ones of his own after he only serving a week in jail.
-George tries to find a cheap tattoo removal artist to undo the prison gang ink he put on when he tried to join them (as they have access to the best towels and shampoo).
-Kramer trying to get his hands on the surprisingly good brownies they served in in the prison lunch cafeteria, eventually deciding to start an operation with Newman to smuggle them out of jail.
-Elaine needing to figure an excuse to not testify at her her annoying ex cellmate's parole hearing when the latter tells her that she intends to hang out with Elaine when she gets out.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Apr 14, 2020 12:37:53 GMT -5
While not ideal, the Seinfeld finale never really bothered me. Partially because I could so easily envision episodes taking place after it that would humorously play off what happened. Like hypothetically a time skip ahead a year where in a single episode we see: -Jerry having written a series of prison jokes for his stand-up gigs only to be annoyed that Bania has ones of his own after he only serving a week in jail. -George tries to find a cheap tattoo removal artist to undo the prison gang ink he put on when he tried to join them (as they access to the best towels and shampoo). -Kramer trying to get his hands on the surprisingly good brownies they served in in the prison lunch cafeteria, eventually deciding to start an operation with Newman to smuggle them out of jail. -Elaine needing to figure an excuse to not testify at her her annoying ex cellmate's parole hearing when the latter tells her that she intends to hang out with Elaine when she gets out. Those are all funny ideas. Mind, I could totally see them just starting the next season at Monk's acting like nothing important happened.
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Apr 14, 2020 13:37:24 GMT -5
As long as a show I like have an ending, no problem here.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 14, 2020 14:23:44 GMT -5
An example is Mass Effect 3. Game had a trash ending that damaged it and the series. I never replayed it but I can't say everything prior to that ending was as bad as the finale but with that said, they took a big hit. The sad part is that the game as a whole is actually pretty damned good, save for the last 45 minutes or so where they kinda just puked out an ending with no real repercussions of the decisions you made over the franchise. Funny part is, I fully believe that it's the increased exposure of social media that hurts it far more than the game itself. KotOR 2 had an absolute ass of an ending (practically a 'Holy Grail' ending where they ran out of code, lol), but it's still remembered more fondly thanks to a combination of fans releasing the original code for the end and the overall social hivemind back then not being nearly as toxic as it was when ME3 pulled a similar end. I think the funniest part of the whole thing regarding ME3 is the one "tacked on" component of ME3, the multiplayer, was my most-played game of 2012 by far. I've only played through ME3 twice (for both my Paragon and Renegade characters), but I easily played through ME3 multiplayer for thousands of hours until the servers more or less had 15-minute queues. The Multiplayer was actually really fun as tacked on as it was... I do think ME3 even without the ending was still a step down from Mass Effect 2... Also that the characters from Mass Effect 2 kinda got shafted... save for like one major exception... they kinda show up for one cutscene and then you basically never see them again save for like one more conversation at the end via holophone. Not to mention some of the choices from the first two games not mattering... for instance the Rachni queen... if you save it or you don't the reapers still have the Rahcni soldiers. I mean some of the choices were illusion of choices too... but that was basically hyped as something that's going to be important for like 2 games... through background information.
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Apr 14, 2020 14:39:54 GMT -5
Something something How I Met Your Mother. For me, it wasn't just the botched finale. It was just the fact that it went on about 2-3 seasons too long. The last season of that show I can honestly say I liked was Season 6 (and even that's a stretch, but there were still some good episodes at least). By S7 or 8, the show had fallen off a f***ing cliff, and the only reason people were holding on was for the finale. And then that...happened.
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Post by Cyno on Apr 14, 2020 14:44:53 GMT -5
Yeah, the last three or so seasons of HIMYM were so blatantly stretched out over a single time period and it just completely disrupted the flow of the show. There were some good episodes here and there, but they were spending so long building up to finally meeting the mother and then, whoops she's dead. Time to go after Robin again for the 50th time. Clearly, nothing can go wrong.
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Post by Ryushinku on Apr 14, 2020 15:44:25 GMT -5
Yes, absolutely.
It'd be really good to say you enjoyed the journey along the way, but if that journey ends with the car smashing through a barricade and plummeting off a cliff, no wonder that's the bit that stays in the mind.
A good finish and a good finale can carry a weak middle part. A bad start can stop something before it has the chance to get good, and a bad finish can just make it all feel rather a waste of time.
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Post by Celexa Bliss 54 on Apr 14, 2020 15:54:08 GMT -5
I recently did a rewatch of Lost, which I hadn't done for a good five years prior. And... yeah. Absolutely. For me, the season five finale is what started the downward trend. Such a dramatic shift in the series arc up to that point, because now we have these characters we have no investment in, but their suddenly important to the show, because one is this god-like being we've heard about for the last three seasons. But that final episode... NOTHING was actually answered!! Jack had to go back to take over for Jacob. OK, fine. But WHY?! Why did it have to be him? And why did everyone else who went back have to go back too? Especially since three of them went back to die!! The whole "you always have a choice" crap fell flat, because Jacob didn't give them a choice. And let's go back further. Jacob clearly wasn't the one pulling all the strings, because Smokey is the one who made Locke move the island. Because... oh yeah, we never get an answer. Season 4 was the strongest season of the show, but then they botched it with the time travel crap the following year, with no explanation for why it happened, other than to show us stuff we heard about previously, but hadn't seen. Except NONE OF IT MATTERED, because they randomly switched to a battle between good and evil between two characters we just met... at least I think that's what they did? I don't know, because that last season was so disjointed, with two different plots that had nothing to do with each other. Just... whY!?!!!!
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Post by castletonsnob on Apr 14, 2020 16:02:19 GMT -5
Absolutely.
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Post by ANuclearError on Apr 14, 2020 16:40:46 GMT -5
The sad part is that the game as a whole is actually pretty damned good, save for the last 45 minutes or so where they kinda just puked out an ending with no real repercussions of the decisions you made over the franchise. Funny part is, I fully believe that it's the increased exposure of social media that hurts it far more than the game itself. KotOR 2 had an absolute ass of an ending (practically a 'Holy Grail' ending where they ran out of code, lol), but it's still remembered more fondly thanks to a combination of fans releasing the original code for the end and the overall social hivemind back then not being nearly as toxic as it was when ME3 pulled a similar end. I think the funniest part of the whole thing regarding ME3 is the one "tacked on" component of ME3, the multiplayer, was my most-played game of 2012 by far. I've only played through ME3 twice (for both my Paragon and Renegade characters), but I easily played through ME3 multiplayer for thousands of hours until the servers more or less had 15-minute queues. The Multiplayer was actually really fun as tacked on as it was... I do think ME3 even without the ending was still a step down from Mass Effect 2... Also that the characters from Mass Effect 2 kinda got shafted... save for like one major exception... they kinda show up for one cutscene and then you basically never see them again save for like one more conversation at the end via holophone. Not to mention some of the choices from the first two games not mattering... for instance the Rachni queen... if you save it or you don't the reapers still have the Rahcni soldiers. I mean some of the choices were illusion of choices too... but that was basically hyped as something that's going to be important for like 2 games... through background information. Mass Effect 3 also ended up having the Leviathan & Citadel DLCs which both tried to alleviate those issues with the base game. Leviathan bring to bring more lore to the ending, and Citadel giving you one last hurrah with all the companion characters. I think those two definitely helped soften the below.
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Post by Sponsored by Groose Wipes on Apr 14, 2020 17:05:52 GMT -5
It seems like all the hype around GoT died as soon as the final season and ending happened.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Apr 14, 2020 17:18:54 GMT -5
That 70s Show broke my heart. That show went from “not as good as it was but still enjoyable” to straight up garbage shit butt trash in one season
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 17:40:53 GMT -5
I feel like Scrubs weirdly gets it both ways going, in that the last season continued the show when no one wanted it and dragged down a great ending note.... but said great ending note tends to make everyone overlook that the show had largely been dropping in quality for a long time leading up to it.
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Apr 14, 2020 17:55:51 GMT -5
I was OK with the HIMYM ending. 😬
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