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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on Apr 25, 2020 14:42:17 GMT -5
While WCW can claim fame to that botch, what WWE moment could equal such a disaster? something that was supposed to be a big deal, but turned into a joke. The booking of the 2015 Rumble comes to mind. The company's big intention for this to be Roman's crowning moment turned into a blunder that still taints the man. Maybe not a joke in the same level, but something they planned for that failed big time.
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Apr 25, 2020 14:58:01 GMT -5
Supposed to be a big deal, fairly quick perhaps, but turned into a joke?
Alberto Del Rio
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Post by feartear on Apr 25, 2020 15:19:31 GMT -5
Sin Cara's debut may be the closest immediate disaster comparable to Shockmaster.
After months of promos, the hype for the new Rey Mysterio, here he finally comes…
...aand he trips on the rope and almost falls on his head.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Apr 25, 2020 16:40:48 GMT -5
Tensai comes to mind but there wasn't really a single botch moment that ruined him, despite us all looking for one. Actually, I think Tensai is a pretty good one. The gimmick was awkward as hell from the first indications, but he was absolutely DOA the second he showed up due to the terrible look, terribly booked matches, and awkward splitting the difference between treating him as a return and treating him as new.
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Post by bob on Apr 25, 2020 17:01:39 GMT -5
going for the only the funny/bad because that's what I consider The Shockmaster:
The Titus World Slide The Gobbledy Gooker Beaver Clevage THAT Jackie Gayda match Repo Man
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Post by RI Richmark on Apr 25, 2020 19:27:46 GMT -5
I don't know if it's on the level of the Shockmaster but one moment that comes to mind is Brock Lesnar's Shooting Star Press.
Brock was already impressive in his WWF debut but soon word came out that not only was this jacked monster an elite grappler but he could pull off a Shooting Star Press. But unless you watched OVW you probably hadn't seen it (YouTube wasn't around back then and online videos weren't as prevalent).
The WWF wouldn't let Brock do it on the main roster. He didn't need it to get over and they were saving it for a big moment. And what bigger moment could there be but WrestleMania? If he was ever going to do it, it would be there.
Sure enough, after hitting an F5 he climbed the ropes as I and probably the would waited with baited breath as Brock leapt, flipped....and landed right on his head.
Funny as it seams now it was almost a disaster. A landing like that could have crippled, if not killed a normal man. Luckily for Brock his neck is thicker than the trunk of the mighty oak and he escaped with just a concussion. To my knowledge he never tried the move again for good reason.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 20:52:12 GMT -5
Sin Cara's debut may be the closest immediate disaster comparable to Shockmaster. After months of promos, the hype for the new Rey Mysterio, here he finally comes… ...aand he trips on the rope and almost falls on his head. The eye covering and the trampoline entrance should have been taken away almost immediately. I don’t think he would have gone that much further but man did those help expose him quickly.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 25, 2020 22:11:02 GMT -5
Only thing that's really close is the Gobbeldy Gooker...
hyped to be a big deal... only to turn out to be a nothing of a thing that really had no chance of getting over and ended up a punchline.
only thing the Gooker didn't do was tumble coming out of the egg.
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Post by koreycaskets on Apr 25, 2020 23:42:18 GMT -5
2020
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Post by Milkman Norm on Apr 25, 2020 23:47:37 GMT -5
I'm gonna say probably nothing, though the Gobbledy Gooker comes closest. The thing about the Shockmaster isn't just that he fell flat on his arse on his debut after being touted as this big game-changing surprise, it's that even if he HADN'T fallen flat on his arse he still would have been dead on arrival anyway. I mean, it was Fred Ottman wearing a glittery stormtrooper helmet with Ole Anderson speaking for him in his best Black Scorpion voice. Even if the debut had gone off without a hitch, people still wouldn't have been able to take him seriously. But I can't think of anyone who completely shot themselves in the foot on their first appearance the way Ottman did. The Gooker did exactly what he was supposed to do, but what he was supposed to do was really stupid. Sin Cara botched quite a few times in his first match, but it wasn't enough to kill him off. Maybe someone like Braden 'Knock Knock' Walker could qualify, but then I doubt he was ever supposed to be a big deal in the first place. The Gooker was supposed to be a mascot to do photo opps with before the show or during intermission. That's no where near being put in a prime spot on the card.
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Post by The Legend of Groose on Apr 25, 2020 23:54:49 GMT -5
Sin Cara's debut may be the closest immediate disaster comparable to Shockmaster. After months of promos, the hype for the new Rey Mysterio, here he finally comes… ...aand he trips on the rope and almost falls on his head. I love how even the thumbnail is him pointing. Anyway I would have to say it's the Titus WorldSlide.
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Post by arrogantmodel on Apr 26, 2020 3:47:50 GMT -5
I don't know if it's on the level of the Shockmaster but one moment that comes to mind is Brock Lesnar's Shooting Star Press. Brock was already impressive in his WWF debut but soon word came out that not only was this jacked monster an elite grappler but he could pull off a Shooting Star Press. But unless you watched OVW you probably hadn't seen it (YouTube wasn't around back then and online videos weren't as prevalent). The WWF wouldn't let Brock do it on the main roster. He didn't need it to get over and they were saving it for a big moment. And what bigger moment could there be but WrestleMania? If he was ever going to do it, it would be there. Sure enough, after hitting an F5 he climbed the ropes as I and probably the would waited with baited breath as Brock leapt, flipped....and landed right on his head. Funny as it seams now it was almost a disaster. A landing like that could have crippled, if not killed a normal man. Luckily for Brock his neck is thicker than the trunk of the mighty oak and he escaped with just a concussion. To my knowledge he never tried the move again for good reason. Every time I watch that, I feel like Angle is too far away. Why didn't Brock go to the closer corner? Unless they wanted the camera to be in that position, and Brock knew he was supposes to go to that corner for the shot. And besides, since Brock had never done the SSP on tv, was that supposed to be a big shocking finish? He'd been F5'ing the f*** outta people forever, why end his Mania match with a top rope move? And Sin Cara's mood lighting didn't help either. Same as with The Fiend, nobody wants to sit in the dark and watch a weirdly lit wrestling match.
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Post by thehottag on Apr 26, 2020 4:21:55 GMT -5
I think people forget how big a deal that egg was being built up as before the Gooker reveal. Looking back in hindsight, people say that "oh, it was only a mascot, it's no biggie" but it was hyped (and hyped big) for months. People thought it was going to be a huge star, possibly a challenger for Hogan, and then it was.... that
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Post by RI Richmark on Apr 26, 2020 9:43:00 GMT -5
I think people forget how big a deal that egg was being built up as before the Gooker reveal. Looking back in hindsight, people say that "oh, it was only a mascot, it's no biggie" but it was hyped (and hyped big) for months. People thought it was going to be a huge star, possibly a challenger for Hogan, and then it was.... that I didn't. I didn't know it would be the Gooker but I had a feeling it was going to be something silly. It was a giant egg for f**k's sake. What else was going to come out of there? When he hatched I wasn't even angry. I was more like "knew it". Also while I thought the gimmick was lame I dug the rock version of "Turkey in the Straw".
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Post by jason1980s on Apr 26, 2020 10:07:55 GMT -5
Anything Albert related is bound to be awful so of course Tensai would fail. Albert was nothing more than a loyal employee who would do anything and everything required of him so he would always have a spot on the roster when possible. I think WWE finally learned their lesson with having him wrestling and making him an office type guy or commentator. He's a total bathroom break as a wrestler.
As for the Invasion, while not one moment, it was probably no more than Vince McMahon wanting to buy his competition and doing it but hating WCW so much that he was bound to flush away whatever he could get from the company during the time. I get some bigger stars had the long term contracts but to bring in the guys like Sean Stasiak whole failed miserably in WWF already wasn't just a bad idea, it had to be done purposely.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Apr 26, 2020 16:12:22 GMT -5
Sin Cara's debut may be the closest immediate disaster comparable to Shockmaster. After months of promos, the hype for the new Rey Mysterio, here he finally comes… ...aand he trips on the rope and almost falls on his head. That was the start. But the exact moment had to be whenever his debut match was. He goes for his awe-inspiring Spanish Fly finisher.... but simply falls off the top rope to the floor and awkwardly resets the spot as Primo just sits there. You could see his “Oh shit” look through his mask. I remember my reaction; “Oh.... oh no.”
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Post by nisidhe on Apr 26, 2020 16:53:30 GMT -5
The Shockmaster debut was a conflagration of WWE cartoonery filtered through WCW's relative lack of know-how, lazy conception (that costume should never have made it to air), an inability to pivot when the original plan shat the bed, and finally the issues with the set.
WWE has had its fair share of botched ideas and angles, but at no time did they go as low-rent as the Shockmaster. At minimum, WWE would have had a credibly-impressive costume idea in place (or 12), at least three superstars signed with that character in mind, and would have had a far better entrance planned out for him. The Gobbledygooker, as ridiculous as it was, looked like it was planned out well. Katie Vick was made to look deliberately cheesy. The Shockmaster looked like a high concept for a middle school robot whose creator learned too late that they only had a budget of five bucks instead of ten.
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Post by Hypnosis on Apr 26, 2020 16:55:07 GMT -5
Well, technically, parts of this video have played during WWE's commercial breaks this year:
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Post by mrtuesday on Apr 26, 2020 17:27:31 GMT -5
While WCW can claim fame to that botch, what WWE moment could equal such a disaster? something that was supposed to be a big deal, but turned into a joke. The booking of the 2015 Rumble comes to mind. The company's big intention for this to be Roman's crowning moment turned into a blunder that still taints the man. Maybe not a joke in the same level, but something they planned for that failed big time. This. As someone else said, even if old Tugboat didn't trip during the reveal, the fans wouldn't have bought it. Even if they didn't go with Show & Kane dumping out every face in the match, Roman winning would have still fell flat.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Apr 26, 2020 17:54:22 GMT -5
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