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Post by Bub (BLM) on May 9, 2020 1:47:57 GMT -5
I have a nothing to add except Margot Robbie was a damn good Harley Quinn and Birds Of Prey was awesome. Agreed! Even Suicide Squad is a perfectly watchable movie to me. Will Smith is always likable, I love Margot’s Harley, and Capt. Boomerang was fun. That cast needed a better script and a director who knew what audiences wanted.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 9, 2020 3:11:22 GMT -5
Agreed! Even Suicide Squad is a perfectly watchable movie to me. Will Smith is always likable, I love Margot’s Harley, and Capt. Boomerang was fun. That cast needed a better script and a director who knew what audiences wanted. It being a frankenmovie was well doesn't do it any favors either...
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Post by The Thread Barbi on May 9, 2020 8:31:19 GMT -5
Imagine if Jim Cameron said this about the T-1000...
"For sure character creation is a tightrope. I took inspiration...... I find it incredible it's still such a topic 5 years later. My heart breaks for Robert – he did magnificent work. Most of it remains unseen."
Sorry DC director, you and Jared didn't capture the Joker rightly. Even 10 mins screen time could have been a show-stealer.
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on May 9, 2020 8:51:33 GMT -5
I don't feel bad for David Ayer or Jared Leto. I don't feel bad for Zack Snyder. Actually, I'm happy that it happened to them and I'm happy that it happened to their fans. Got what they deserved for going out of their way to violate something as awesome as the DC Universe. I'm with you 100% on this. In other hands a DC shared cinematic universe could have (and should have!) been every bit as amazing as the MCU. Zack Snyder is a complete hack who has no understanding of the characters involved.
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Post by BorneAgain on May 9, 2020 8:57:52 GMT -5
I don't feel bad for David Ayer or Jared Leto. I don't feel bad for Zack Snyder. Actually, I'm happy that it happened to them and I'm happy that it happened to their fans. Got what they deserved for going out of their way to violate something as awesome as the DC Universe. I'm with you 100% on this. In other hands a DC shared cinematic universe could have (and should have!) been every bit as amazing as the MCU. Zack Snyder is a complete hack who has no understanding of the characters involved. I also think David Goyer should be mentioned as someone with questionable contributions. The guy did some solid work on Blade and when working with Nolan on the Dark Knight Trilogy, but his writing in both Man of Steel and Batman v Superman was just lousy. Granted the failure of Justice League means the DCCU can fail just fine without him, but in hindsight he was not the ideal writer in kicking off this shared universe.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on May 9, 2020 9:24:35 GMT -5
What didn’t help Suicide Squad was the post editing that tried to turn it into some Guardians of the Galaxy wannabe and trying to once again, ape someone successful Marvel did instead of doing your own thing.
I’m hoping they learned from Joker and Aquaman and Wonder Woman that you can make a bajillion dollars with good quality movies that are their own thing, not just apeing the latest Marvel thing.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 9, 2020 9:24:55 GMT -5
I don't feel bad for David Ayer or Jared Leto. I don't feel bad for Zack Snyder. Actually, I'm happy that it happened to them and I'm happy that it happened to their fans. Got what they deserved for going out of their way to violate something as awesome as the DC Universe. I'm with you 100% on this. In other hands a DC shared cinematic universe could have (and should have!) been every bit as amazing as the MCU. Zack Snyder is a complete hack who has no understanding of the characters involved. DC has too many f***ing stories for it not to work A legit embarassement of riches. Take anybody with a competent direction and they should been raking in the money
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on May 9, 2020 9:41:25 GMT -5
Putting Jai Courtney in anything is your first mistake.
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Post by BorneAgain on May 9, 2020 9:43:30 GMT -5
Putting Jai Courtney in anything is your first mistake. Honestly I'll say Courtney was one of the few highlights of Suicide Squad largely because it was him not playing the same bland action hero he had been doing before and that Boomerang was one of the few characters not screwed over by the editing.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 9, 2020 9:54:23 GMT -5
What didn’t help Suicide Squad was the post editing that tried to turn it into some Guardians of the Galaxy wannabe and trying to once again, ape someone successful Marvel did instead of doing your own thing. The tone presented in the first trailer is so different from what we eventually got. Granted, its still working with a lot of the same material that made the final cut, and took its cues from the Snyder movies, so its not outside the realms of possibility that it could have been worse that what was released.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on May 9, 2020 10:10:12 GMT -5
Putting Jai Courtney in anything is your first mistake. Nah, he was the best part. I know, it's Jai Courtney, but apparently he was just born to play Captain Boomerang because he was outstanding.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on May 9, 2020 10:57:27 GMT -5
Putting Jai Courtney in anything is your first mistake. He was really good in it. Though they should have went with that tremendous gag of him immediately leaving when Flagg tells them they can opt out. Instead he's just back in the next scene with a shrug.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on May 9, 2020 11:21:33 GMT -5
Well hell, maybe I was wrong about 'ol Jai.
Will Jai Courtney's redemption story continue? We'll find out after this commercial break!
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on May 9, 2020 11:26:53 GMT -5
I'm with you 100% on this. In other hands a DC shared cinematic universe could have (and should have!) been every bit as amazing as the MCU. Zack Snyder is a complete hack who has no understanding of the characters involved. I also think David Goyer should be mentioned as someone with questionable contributions. The guy did some solid work on Blade and when working with Nolan on the Dark Knight Trilogy, but his writing in both Man of Steel and Batman v Superman was just lousy. Granted the failure of Justice League means the DCCU can fail just fine without him, but in hindsight he was not the ideal writer in kicking off this shared universe. You're right, forgive me for not including that moron. He's the one who threw a little hissy fit on a podcast with Andrea Berloff, along with Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely (you know, the guys who wrote the three Captain America movies, Infinity War and Endgame... and Thor 2, but we'll give them a pass because they wrote the other five) where he flipped out about Martian Manhunter sucking and no one knows about him, and She-Hulk is for virgins. Dumb motherf***er doesn't know anything about comics, but because he worked with Nolan when he made the Dark Knight trilogy, he was afforded the chance to vandalize more franchises. In fact, he last writing credits were BvS and Terminator Dark Fate.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 9, 2020 12:54:49 GMT -5
Well hell, maybe I was wrong about 'ol Jai. Will Jai Courtney's redemption story continue? We'll find out after this commercial break! Well he was terrible in The Exception and his last movie, Semper Fi, holds a 20% score on Rotten Tomatoes, so I wouldn't count on it. Dude seems born to play one role well.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 9, 2020 13:35:05 GMT -5
What didn’t help Suicide Squad was the post editing that tried to turn it into some Guardians of the Galaxy wannabe and trying to once again, ape someone successful Marvel did instead of doing your own thing. The tone presented in the first trailer is so different from what we eventually got. Granted, its still working with a lot of the same material that made the final cut, and took its cues from the Snyder movies, so its not outside the realms of possibility that it could have been worse that what was released. if I remember correctly the reason the movie ended up the way it was... was at least partially due to people liking the more actiony cut better... then again they might have also set themselves up for that with the Bohemian Rhapsody trailer... which apparently completely misrepresented the movie...
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 9, 2020 13:36:28 GMT -5
I also think David Goyer should be mentioned as someone with questionable contributions. The guy did some solid work on Blade and when working with Nolan on the Dark Knight Trilogy, but his writing in both Man of Steel and Batman v Superman was just lousy. Granted the failure of Justice League means the DCCU can fail just fine without him, but in hindsight he was not the ideal writer in kicking off this shared universe. You're right, forgive me for not including that moron. He's the one who threw a little hissy fit on a podcast with Andrea Berloff, along with Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely (you know, the guys who wrote the three Captain America movies, Infinity War and Endgame... and Thor 2, but we'll give them a pass because they wrote the other five) where he flipped out about Martian Manhunter sucking and no one knows about him, and She-Hulk is for virgins. Dumb motherf***er doesn't know anything about comics, but because he worked with Nolan when he made the Dark Knight trilogy, he was afforded the chance to vandalize more franchises. In fact, he last writing credits were BvS and Terminator Dark Fate. I wouldn't hold Thor 2 against the writers since that whole production had Ike's fingerprints all over it and caused like everyone involved to want to quit as soon as possible...
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Post by Cyno on May 9, 2020 13:47:16 GMT -5
The best thing to happen to the MCU was Kevin Feige convincing Bob Iger to completely cut out Marvel Comics' higher-ups, including Perlmutter and Quesada, from the creative process.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 9, 2020 13:48:36 GMT -5
The tone presented in the first trailer is so different from what we eventually got. Granted, its still working with a lot of the same material that made the final cut, and took its cues from the Snyder movies, so its not outside the realms of possibility that it could have been worse that what was released. if I remember correctly the reason the movie ended up the way it was... was at least partially due to people liking the more actiony cut better... then again they might have also set themselves up for that with the Bohemian Rhapsody trailer... which apparently completely misrepresented the movie... IIRC, first test screenings happened after the Bohemian Rhapsody trailer. WB had decided the first trailer was too low-key, so they pepped up the second one, only for test screenings to come back with "Why isn't it more like that?" Suicide Squad should be taught in film school as an example how not to make a movie. But then I suppose the people going to film school aren't generally the people who go on to become heads of movie studios making these boneheaded decisions.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2020 15:20:14 GMT -5
Suicide Squad's a case where really I feel like the awful 50 car pileup of tones we got is still better than it would have been as originally intended. At least it's relatively breezy and there are some fun things in it, I'm not sure I could've taken Man of Steel round 3.
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