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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on May 18, 2020 21:03:57 GMT -5
So my sister in law wants to do a big party for her and my wifes mom for her birthday.....problem is that is Sunday and she wants to do it at my house since we live in the biggest house in the family. That involves our family of 4, SIL and her husband....then my wifes niece that is like 30 her husband and daughter who have been having house parties and not social distancing through this whole thing...and our daughter and her boyfriend who have 2 kids under the age of 2, one is a newborn...all in close proximity together. All of this with a birthday party for a woman that is 75 years old.... This seems like a really bad idea, what should I do? Seems reckless honestly. I tend to be a little more on the side of cautious normalcy. But a large party for someone in the demographic of those who are more prone to die from the virus is foolish
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on May 18, 2020 21:45:53 GMT -5
While I would not be entirely shocked if that were the case, I believe it is also possible that he is for a number of reasons. First, there were several people that he was exposed to that tested positive, so I would be shocked if he didn't freak out about the possibilities that he could get sick, for a number of reasons. Second, he did not simply say he was taking hydroxychloroquine. He also said he was taking zinc and Z-packs. It sounds as though he is throwing everything against the wall in the hopes that it all works out for him. I am surprised that he did not also say he was taking Vitamin D, as the study that got him so excited about the drug in the first place also involved VD treatment, which probably should have been the more promising treatment from the word go. Yeah, this is one of those cases where I wouldn't be shocked if he actually is taking the stuff and isn't just completely lying. He's scared shitless right now; there's the bad polls and the bad optics, yes, but as you guys said he's an old man with a heart condition who doesn't exercise and eats like garbage, and he's quite likely surrounded by people who've been exposed to the virus. I really wouldn't be shocked if he went through the doctors that gave him clean bills of health the past few years, lied to say he wasn't obese, lied to say he was "the healthiest president ever", etc. We're so deep into uncharted waters like this, and I don't think we as a political culture or news media are equipped to address all this; at this stage, there have to be questions about invoking the 25th amendment, but I don't think people have it in them to seriously bring it up. Dude's talking about taking medication that could outright kill him or, at least, cause big hallucinations. How could we even tell the difference if that happens?
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Post by HMARK Center on May 18, 2020 22:02:24 GMT -5
Yeah, this is one of those cases where I wouldn't be shocked if he actually is taking the stuff and isn't just completely lying. He's scared shitless right now; there's the bad polls and the bad optics, yes, but as you guys said he's an old man with a heart condition who doesn't exercise and eats like garbage, and he's quite likely surrounded by people who've been exposed to the virus. I really wouldn't be shocked if he went through the doctors that gave him clean bills of health the past few years, lied to say he wasn't obese, lied to say he was "the healthiest president ever", etc. We're so deep into uncharted waters like this, and I don't think we as a political culture or news media are equipped to address all this; at this stage, there have to be questions about invoking the 25th amendment, but I don't think people have it in them to seriously bring it up. Dude's talking about taking medication that could outright kill him or, at least, cause big hallucinations. How could we even tell the difference if that happens? Yeah, I wrote myself into a corner on that one. But man...the president of the United States just told the press that he's abusing a drug in the midst of a pandemic, and is either telling the truth and risking a quick death, or lying and thus putting a ton of people who'll believe him at risk. This really said it all, from a Politico reporter: We're on pace to have 100,000 dead by June 1, and with the premature reopenings going on in 40+ states we're possibly staring down an obscenely higher number over the rest of the year, all while the survivors face the likelihood of a +15% unemployment rate and absolutely no federal response to that from the White House or the Senate. The literal last time we faced something like that was when Herbert Hoover refused to offer direct relief in the early days of the Great Depression, but he at least had the excuse of being a Gilded Age politician who didn't really know how Keynesian economics worked (well, maybe he did, but you get the idea).
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2020 23:14:11 GMT -5
It’s going to get worse in Jersey. Just saw the news about the gym that opened despite orders not to, which drew a big crowd. I knew it would happen the longer these restrictions stayed on. People were going to rebel, especially the business owners who are losing everything. Murphy’s plan on slow reopenings is so vague that it’s just going to cause more trouble. I read that thing twice and knew just as little going in as I did after reading it.
I still hope that by the beginning of June there is a well defined plan that is being executed (by NJ and everywhere else) that is designed to both help the economy and lessen the possibility of a second wave disaster.
2020 just needs to end.
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Post by Cyno on May 18, 2020 23:59:49 GMT -5
That's the thing: maybe there is no happy medium the states can execute on their own. Phased re-openings with restrictions in place but also with the ability to shut things down again at the sign of major resurgences might be the closest we can get. We'd need a federal government that actually recognizes that the systematic dismantling of the social safety net the New Deal introduced is a bad thing. And even with a change at the top, that's not something that's magically going to be fixed overnight.
This virus doesn't give a shit about an economy or the plights of small business owners. The current federal government's idea of helping out small businesses is to have them fight for scraps while giving massive bailouts to gazillion dollar corporations that don't need it. And putting our collective fingers in our ears and pretending it doesn't exist won't make it go away, nor will willingly sacrificing hundreds of thousands, if not millions of lives in a grossly mistaken concept of herd immunity. And those people will be poor and middle-class Americans while the wealthiest can be content to wait out the pandemic in their mansions and penthouses. And that's not a bug of the American system, that's a feature.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on May 19, 2020 8:32:27 GMT -5
That's the thing: maybe there is no happy medium the states can execute on their own. Phased re-openings with restrictions in place but also with the ability to shut things down again at the sign of major resurgences might be the closest we can get. We'd need a federal government that actually recognizes that the systematic dismantling of the social safety net the New Deal introduced is a bad thing. And even with a change at the top, that's not something that's magically going to be fixed overnight. This virus doesn't give a shit about an economy or the plights of small business owners. The current federal government's idea of helping out small businesses is to have them fight for scraps while giving massive bailouts to gazillion dollar corporations that don't need it. And putting our collective fingers in our ears and pretending it doesn't exist won't make it go away, nor will willingly sacrificing hundreds of thousands, if not millions of lives in a grossly mistaken concept of herd immunity. And those people will be poor and middle-class Americans while the wealthiest can be content to wait out the pandemic in their mansions and penthouses. And that's not a bug of the American system, that's a feature. Hopefully when the smoke clears we can look back on just how poorly small businesses were treated during this time. It honestly has been a “good luck during these trying times“ speech to small business while mega stores the likes of Walmart see increased business because we’ve opted to shut down their local competition. I operate a small business. I produce alcohol so I’m doing surprisingly (or maybe not surprisingly) well. But I deal with many local businesses that are doing everything they can to keep their heads above water. They played by the rules, did the right thing and they’re being given words of encouragement and scraps from the government who told them they can no longer conduct business. I’ve had sleepless nights worrying about my friends and the people I’ve worked with since opening my business. They have families and livelihoods that we’re moving along nicely in February that may or may not ever be fully open again. THey did everything “the right way” and they’re just being hung out to fend for themselves.
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Post by Mecca on May 19, 2020 9:03:37 GMT -5
That's the thing: maybe there is no happy medium the states can execute on their own. Phased re-openings with restrictions in place but also with the ability to shut things down again at the sign of major resurgences might be the closest we can get. We'd need a federal government that actually recognizes that the systematic dismantling of the social safety net the New Deal introduced is a bad thing. And even with a change at the top, that's not something that's magically going to be fixed overnight. This virus doesn't give a shit about an economy or the plights of small business owners. The current federal government's idea of helping out small businesses is to have them fight for scraps while giving massive bailouts to gazillion dollar corporations that don't need it. And putting our collective fingers in our ears and pretending it doesn't exist won't make it go away, nor will willingly sacrificing hundreds of thousands, if not millions of lives in a grossly mistaken concept of herd immunity. And those people will be poor and middle-class Americans while the wealthiest can be content to wait out the pandemic in their mansions and penthouses. And that's not a bug of the American system, that's a feature. Hopefully when the smoke clears we can look back on just how poorly small businesses were treated during this time. It honestly has been a “good luck during these trying times“ speech to small business while mega stores the likes of Walmart see increased business because we’ve opted to shut down their local competition. I operate a small business. I produce alcohol so I’m doing surprisingly (or maybe not surprisingly) well. But I deal with many local businesses that are doing everything they can to keep their heads above water. They played by the rules, did the right thing and they’re being given words of encouragement and scraps from the government who told them they can no longer conduct business. I’ve had sleepless nights worrying about my friends and the people I’ve worked with since opening my business. They have families and livelihoods that we’re moving along nicely in February that may or may not ever be fully open again. THey did everything “the right way” and they’re just being hung out to fend for themselves. A lot of this happened at the worst possible time...We ended up with a pandemic happening while a lot of the world having placed very right wing, pro big business people in office. 4 out of the top 5 most infected countries (Spain being the one left out) are led by a conservative government. UK with Bojo Brazil with Jair Bolsonaro US and Russia Now I'm not saying the conservative ideology has been the cause of this BUT this mentality led to downplaying the severeness of the disease and ignored the early warning in favor of the economy. And now they are on track to have an even bigger economy meltdown because of this. I think the biggest reason it's been handled poorly is that basically a pandemic requires placing a lot of effort in keeping the entirety of the population safe, which is by default the war horse of the left. The right survives in times of great disunion and great prosperity, when they can rally against a common enemy; a virus, though, asks the entire country to be mindful towards its most vulnerable. I guess in the end I just find it really sad how many people are getting screwed and they think the answer is to blame science. Not really trying to be political here, just pointing out how I think we ended up here.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on May 19, 2020 9:50:30 GMT -5
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on May 19, 2020 9:59:31 GMT -5
He also said he was taking zinc and Z-packs.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on May 19, 2020 11:54:56 GMT -5
He also said he was taking zinc and Z-packs. Also
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on May 19, 2020 12:20:30 GMT -5
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Post by Push R Truth on May 19, 2020 12:52:06 GMT -5
I just received an internal memo saying that "wearing a mask is undermining the public's faith in leadership, we need to look strong in the face of disaster"
I work for the government and this is what our elected officials governing us are pushing. It both acknowledges that is there is problem (calls it a disaster) and they we need to ignore the problem.
Hooray.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on May 19, 2020 12:59:10 GMT -5
I just received an internal memo saying that "wearing a mask is undermining the public's faith in leadership, we need to look strong in the face of disaster" I work for the government and this is what our elected officials governing us are pushing. It both acknowledges that is there is problem (calls it a disaster) and they we need to ignore the problem. Hooray. Do you work for a state, local, or the federal government?
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Post by Push R Truth on May 19, 2020 13:01:39 GMT -5
I just received an internal memo saying that "wearing a mask is undermining the public's faith in leadership, we need to look strong in the face of disaster" I work for the government and this is what our elected officials governing us are pushing. It both acknowledges that is there is problem (calls it a disaster) and they we need to ignore the problem. Hooray. Do you work for a state, local, or the federal government? Local/State mix. It's an odd spot to be, that's for sure.
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Post by ayumidah on May 19, 2020 13:21:12 GMT -5
Some local concerts that were scheduled for June or July officially rescheduled to next year this morning. The ANGER in some comments to it, geez.
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Post by chrom on May 19, 2020 13:55:35 GMT -5
After today I'm ready for a meteor to hit this wretched planet.
Truck is shot and will cost 2500 to fix, money that I don't have thanks to being out of a job
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Post by mattperiolat on May 19, 2020 14:49:39 GMT -5
I have no words. Tragic enough to lose the wife of a legend at 100, but to coronavirus? It feels... cruel. The comfort is she is with John again and enjoying the same view he had in 1962 and 1998.
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Post by Spider2024 on May 19, 2020 15:48:39 GMT -5
^ Made it to 100 tho.
See you in the stars, Mrs. Glenn.
In stimulus news, anyone who hasn't gotten their $1,200 yet will get theirs in the form of a prepaid debit card instead of a check.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on May 19, 2020 15:51:11 GMT -5
Some local concerts that were scheduled for June or July officially rescheduled to next year this morning. The ANGER in some comments to it, geez. What did these folks think was going to happen? Even when everyone has reopened to the "new normal", concerts and gatherings of over 100 are going to be severely restricted, if not outright shut down, until a viable vaccine is in place. Even if they weren't restricted, nobody is going to be going to a concert for sometime so, it's not worth the amount of money that would be loss on a small gate.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on May 19, 2020 16:00:31 GMT -5
That's the thing: maybe there is no happy medium the states can execute on their own. Phased re-openings with restrictions in place but also with the ability to shut things down again at the sign of major resurgences might be the closest we can get. We'd need a federal government that actually recognizes that the systematic dismantling of the social safety net the New Deal introduced is a bad thing. And even with a change at the top, that's not something that's magically going to be fixed overnight. This virus doesn't give a shit about an economy or the plights of small business owners. The current federal government's idea of helping out small businesses is to have them fight for scraps while giving massive bailouts to gazillion dollar corporations that don't need it. And putting our collective fingers in our ears and pretending it doesn't exist won't make it go away, nor will willingly sacrificing hundreds of thousands, if not millions of lives in a grossly mistaken concept of herd immunity. And those people will be poor and middle-class Americans while the wealthiest can be content to wait out the pandemic in their mansions and penthouses. And that's not a bug of the American system, that's a feature. In the system we have for ourselves, a phased re-opening with restrictions is the best solution we've got. Yet, not many people have thought to wonder if the question itself is a problem if that's the answer.
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