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Post by Mozenrath on May 30, 2020 21:42:38 GMT -5
Now i read this online so I have no idea if this is true but one time Meltzer was at a show (Cant remember what company,it was in California a few years ago) and the fan in attendance said people kept watching Meltzer to see his expressions to the matches That is freaking sad More likely they were admiring the guy's guns. Dude is yolked!  "Well, you know... the interesting thing is, umm, I'm uhh, f***ing swole." |
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Post by BRAINFADE on May 31, 2020 3:01:29 GMT -5
I'm not especially one for ratings anyway, I tend to find them to be applied pretty much entirely superfluously and everybody has their own interpretation of what exactly three stars means to them anyway. Yeah I agree. Star ratings in wrestling is a pretty flawed system in my opinion because you can't apply it fairly to every single match, purely because different matches serve different purposes. For example, I thought Lance Archer's debut match in AEW against Marko Stunt was flawless in both its execution and the story they wanted to tell, namely getting over Archer as a monster by murdering the little guy. But it was in no way a five star match in the same way an epic Okada/Tanahashi IWGP title bout is, because it wasn't supposed to be. So how on earth do you rate it? |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2020 5:59:48 GMT -5
More likely they were admiring the guy's guns. Dude is yolked! "Well, you know... the interesting thing is, umm, I'm uhh, f***ing swole." ***1/2 - not enough coughing. |
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Post by Welfare Willis on May 31, 2020 7:49:06 GMT -5
Meltzer is the biggest carny in the history of wrestling. He is somehow wrong over and over and over, has been caught flat out lying numerous times, and is disrespectful to women...yet people will bend over backwards to talk about what an "expert" he is. He's a f***ing joke who is right about as much as TV psychics, but is far less entertaining. Evidence of lying? I'm a Meltzer fan, but the only thing I can recall recently is a report about Seth Rollins addressing a locker room meeting which Seth called him out on. Still I don't know if I'd use "lying" as his source just may have gotten the information wrong. That does happen from time to time. There is quite a bit of difference between "lying" and just inaccurate information. The major difference being intent. I do give credit to Dave though because unlike others, he apologized. He didn't double down. Which is something a lot of people unfortunately do these days. |
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jun 1, 2020 1:41:04 GMT -5
I'm a Meltzer fan, but the only thing I can recall recently is a report about Seth Rollins addressing a locker room meeting which Seth called him out on. Still I don't know if I'd use "lying" as his source just may have gotten the information wrong. That does happen from time to time. There is quite a bit of difference between "lying" and just inaccurate information. The major difference being intent. I do give credit to Dave though because unlike others, he apologized. He didn't double down. Which is something a lot of people unfortunately do these days. Meltzer was fed that info as bait by a source he viewed as reliable. |
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Post by Welfare Willis on Jun 1, 2020 1:58:14 GMT -5
I'm a Meltzer fan, but the only thing I can recall recently is a report about Seth Rollins addressing a locker room meeting which Seth called him out on. Still I don't know if I'd use "lying" as his source just may have gotten the information wrong. That does happen from time to time. There is quite a bit of difference between "lying" and just inaccurate information. The major difference being intent. I do give credit to Dave though because unlike others, he apologized. He didn't double down. Which is something a lot of people unfortunately do these days. Meltzer was fed that info as bait by a source he viewed as reliable. I was not aware of that. Thanks for the update, Madison! |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jun 1, 2020 4:00:20 GMT -5
I think the fact Meltzer's biggest 'that was completely wrong' gaffe of recent times being a moment where WWE actively fed him bad info to make him look less credible after he reported on the Saudi Arabia travel problems and shone lights on things WWE didn't want seen stands as one of those really reassuring things about the guy. That was a hit job plain and simple, Meltzer took it on the chin and copped to being wrong. It makes the hyperbole of how he's just as bad as your Brad Shepards and makes shit up all the time seem even more ridiculous.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jun 1, 2020 7:09:48 GMT -5
Meltzer was fed that info as bait by a source he viewed as reliable. I was not aware of that. Thanks for the update, Madison! It honestly became clear when Seth basically called him out on it. Like, it wasn't done on the dozens of dozens of other cases of backstage stuff throughout the years, nor was there any statements out about some of the stuff like "wrestlers have to wear suits now" or the Titus stuff. That incident basically said "Yeah, we're doing this in the hopes to make Dave look foolish" and then he apologized and retracted the story which, you know, is kind of what you're supposed to do as a journalist. |
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jun 1, 2020 9:52:25 GMT -5
I was not aware of that. Thanks for the update, Madison! It honestly became clear when Seth basically called him out on it. Like, it wasn't done on the dozens of dozens of other cases of backstage stuff throughout the years, nor was there any statements out about some of the stuff like "wrestlers have to wear suits now" or the Titus stuff. That incident basically said "Yeah, we're doing this in the hopes to make Dave look foolish" and then he apologized and retracted the story which, you know, is kind of what you're supposed to do as a journalist. Yeah and even then I felt bad for Meltz cause he admitted he got wrong info, was wrong, and then apologized but Seth continued to rag on him But as I said earlier. I think especially when talking about women Meltzer at best doesn't articulate himself well and at worst can be very chauvinistic. But i also feel in recent years WWE wrestlers have been told to actively blast Meltz too... and I know TNA wrestlers were told that as well |
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Jun 3, 2020 5:55:21 GMT -5
Praying that this doesn’t open a massive can of worms, but many of Meltzer’s statements regarding women come off more ignorant and dated than outwardly hateful. It’s still a problem with him regardless and he should keep informing himself better so he doesn’t embarrass himself again there, but also I don’t see him as the “we men are oppressed by the femalez!” type of person.
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Post by Viking Hall on Jun 3, 2020 9:26:22 GMT -5
Half the trouble is that we as a society have become more and more reliant and obsessive about ratings since the internet became one of our main sources of information. Virtually everything we do online has some kind of rating system and subsequently we feel pressured to give everything a 5 star recommendation even down to the most everyday of situations. Go back to the early eighties when Meltzer was starting out and 5 stars meant something was perfect or as near as damn it, nowadays it merely means something was up to standard because that's what we've been conditioned to do. Parcel arrived when it was supposed to, 5 stars. Meal was cooked acceptably, 5 stars... you catch my drift. So this is my theory as to why his ratings have become so hyper-focussed upon over the past couple of decades compared with what they were in he eighties and nineties and also why he feels the need to go 'beyond' the 5 stars when he considers something to be truly exceptional in this day and age.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 5, 2020 5:37:44 GMT -5
Praying that this doesn’t open a massive can of worms, but many of Meltzer’s statements regarding women come off more ignorant and dated than outwardly hateful. It’s still a problem with him regardless and he should keep informing himself better so he doesn’t embarrass himself again there, but also I don’t see him as the “we men are oppressed by the femalez!” type of person. Yeah, I go back to him commenting on Peyton Royce's "weight gain" possibly having an effect on her in-ring work, when he was clearly trying to avoid saying "breast implants"; he handled that pretty damn clumsily, but he wasn't attempting to make a malicious point. He got put on blast for it, including from Peyton, I think, and he immediately apologized and even told people defending him on Twitter "no, I need to take my medicine and do better next time, it's fine". Doesn't pardon other crappy stuff over the years (e.g. some excerpts of his late 90s coverage of Sable angles have not aged well, to put it mildly), but someone screws up, owns up to it, tries to do better...that's about all you can really ask for in those situations. |
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Post by Feyrhausen on Jun 5, 2020 5:53:28 GMT -5
Praying that this doesn’t open a massive can of worms, but many of Meltzer’s statements regarding women come off more ignorant and dated than outwardly hateful. It’s still a problem with him regardless and he should keep informing himself better so he doesn’t embarrass himself again there, but also I don’t see him as the “we men are oppressed by the femalez!” type of person. Yeah, I go back to him commenting on Peyton Royce's "weight gain" possibly having an effect on her in-ring work, when he was clearly trying to avoid saying "breast implants"; he handled that pretty damn clumsily, but he wasn't attempting to make a malicious point. He got put on blast for it, including from Peyton, I think, and he immediately apologized and even told people defending him on Twitter "no, I need to take my medicine and do better next time, it's fine". Doesn't pardon other crappy stuff over the years (e.g. some excerpts of his late 90s coverage of Sable angles have not aged well, to put it mildly), but someone screws up, owns up to it, tries to do better...that's about all you can really ask for in those situations. Exactly the point I was making in an earlier post. When talking about Peyton he was referring to how her "weight" gain seems to have affected her in ring work. Not her appearance. If Dave wrote about Adrian Adonis' weight gain in the 80s affecting his in ring work no one would think twice. |
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 5, 2020 9:35:44 GMT -5
Yeah, I go back to him commenting on Peyton Royce's "weight gain" possibly having an effect on her in-ring work, when he was clearly trying to avoid saying "breast implants"; he handled that pretty damn clumsily, but he wasn't attempting to make a malicious point. He got put on blast for it, including from Peyton, I think, and he immediately apologized and even told people defending him on Twitter "no, I need to take my medicine and do better next time, it's fine". Doesn't pardon other crappy stuff over the years (e.g. some excerpts of his late 90s coverage of Sable angles have not aged well, to put it mildly), but someone screws up, owns up to it, tries to do better...that's about all you can really ask for in those situations. Exactly the point I was making in an earlier post. When talking about Peyton he was referring to how her "weight" gain seems to have affected her in ring work. Not her appearance. If Dave wrote about Adrian Adonis' weight gain in the 80s affecting his in ring work no one would think twice. To be fair, there's a world of difference in the way men's weight and women's weight (and appearances, in general) get treated in society; I don't blame people for being more aware or uncomfortable with remarks concerning a woman's appearance, weight being part of that, given the cultural/social baggage involved. But ultimately, yes, he was trying to say something that could have been done better (e.g. say something like "she did have cosmetic surgery recently that might be impacting her work in the ring" and leave it at that), but that ultimately wasn't meant in a malevolent way. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 5, 2020 10:02:22 GMT -5
Praying that this doesn’t open a massive can of worms, but many of Meltzer’s statements regarding women come off more ignorant and dated than outwardly hateful. It’s still a problem with him regardless and he should keep informing himself better so he doesn’t embarrass himself again there, but also I don’t see him as the “we men are oppressed by the femalez!” type of person. It's clear he really don't know how to explain himself with women but I don't think is meant to be i'm better than you, just don't know how to talk about women Tho that comparing marks and N word being the same is a stain on that man |
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Jun 5, 2020 10:23:17 GMT -5
Praying that this doesn’t open a massive can of worms, but many of Meltzer’s statements regarding women come off more ignorant and dated than outwardly hateful. It’s still a problem with him regardless and he should keep informing himself better so he doesn’t embarrass himself again there, but also I don’t see him as the “we men are oppressed by the femalez!” type of person. It's clear he really don't know how to explain himself with women but I don't think is meant to be i'm better than you, just don't know how to talk about women Tho that comparing marks and N word being the same is a stain on that man Yeah, occasionally he can be extremely tone deaf. Stuff like that I’d attribute to him not being educated on the proper historical context, rather than being outwardly hateful. Still not an excuse, because at his age he should have long known better. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 5, 2020 10:31:08 GMT -5
It's clear he really don't know how to explain himself with women but I don't think is meant to be i'm better than you, just don't know how to talk about women Tho that comparing marks and N word being the same is a stain on that man Yeah, occasionally he can be extremely tone deaf. Stuff like that I’d attribute to him not being educated on the proper historical context, rather than being outwardly hateful. Still not an excuse, because at his age he should have long known better. Yea, I wouldn't equate it to outward malice, just pure ignorance which is just as bad but that's fixable. He didn't stick to his guns on that like a big idiot so he knew he was wrong. I look at it like all things, he was stuck in a bubble and had no real clue what the hell he was saying since that's a no no. Nothing equates to the N word and the hope is he learned to not make that comparison freely |
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