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Post by romanstylesiii on May 31, 2020 17:31:42 GMT -5
It started as an NWA title. Would the NWA be allowed to bring it back?
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Post by Milkman Norm on May 31, 2020 17:53:46 GMT -5
They own all IPs that were held by Turner regarding WCW.
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Post by romanstylesiii on May 31, 2020 17:54:56 GMT -5
They own all IPs that were held by Turner regarding WCW. I figured, but was confused, because the TV title came back |
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Post by cjh on May 31, 2020 17:57:37 GMT -5
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jun 1, 2020 0:36:01 GMT -5
Correct. Until Crockett pulled his power play and monopolized the NWA Heavyweight title, the U.S. champion was THE top Crockett/Mid-Atlantic champion, as it was in most other promotions that had their own U.S. champ. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2020 0:56:49 GMT -5
They own all IPs that were held by Turner regarding WCW. I figured, but was confused, because the TV title came back The current nwa tv championship isnt the same title as the old NWA/WCW championships. It like how there two different version of the WWE Cruiserweight championship. |
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jun 1, 2020 1:37:39 GMT -5
I figured, but was confused, because the TV title came back The current nwa tv championship isnt the same title as the old NWA/WCW championships. It like how there two different version of the WWE Cruiserweight championship. Also correct. The NWA itself had no belts/titles/championships that were owned by itself other than the Heavyweight belt. All other titles were territory-exclusive. The current NWA TV title has no relation to the one used in Mid-Atlantic/JCP/WCW. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2020 3:12:35 GMT -5
The current nwa tv championship isnt the same title as the old NWA/WCW championships. It like how there two different version of the WWE Cruiserweight championship. Also correct. The NWA itself had no belts/titles/championships that were owned by itself other than the Heavyweight belt. All other titles were territory-exclusive. The current NWA TV title has no relation to the one used in Mid-Atlantic/JCP/WCW. Though just to confuse that whole matter further, the current NWA tag titles are the ones that were used in TNA, but are not the ones that were used in WCW. |
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jun 1, 2020 8:36:29 GMT -5
WWE chooses to recognize their U.S. Championship as the continuation of the version created by the Crocketts for their territory. Jim Crockett Promotions owned and controlled that belt. When Turner purchased Jim Crockett Promotions, they gained this asset. Fast forward to 2001. The physical WCW United States Championship belt was one of the WCW assets that WWE purchased in 2001. WWE used the title under the WCW name until they unified it with the Intercontinental Championship. WWE brought the title back in 2002 re-branded as the WWE United States Championship. WWE decided to treat this title as a continuation of the WCW title, tracing it all the way back to Harley Race with the Mid-Atlantic (Crockett) territory.
Similarly, the so-called Big Gold Belt was also commissioned by Jim Crockett Promotions and purposefully left off the initials NWA, though the title was to be used as the NWA World Heavyweight Championship when it was created.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Jun 1, 2020 11:35:34 GMT -5
I must use this discussion to also mention that there's a GREAT book in a series of such books by Millican and Dick Bourne, about the history of JCP's US title and the belts used for it. Check it out. (They also have the Domed Globe, the Big Gold, and the Mid-Atlantic title)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2020 12:35:00 GMT -5
Also correct. The NWA itself had no belts/titles/championships that were owned by itself other than the Heavyweight belt. All other titles were territory-exclusive. The current NWA TV title has no relation to the one used in Mid-Atlantic/JCP/WCW. Though just to confuse that whole matter further, the current NWA tag titles are the ones that were used in TNA, but are not the ones that were used in WCW. During the NWA heyday, almost every territory had their own version of the NWA Tag Team Championship, it wasnt until the 90s when NWA created their own version which was briefly uses in the WWE during the NWA invasion angle and later TNA when they had the rights to uses both heavyweight and tag titles. |
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Post by romanstylesiii on Jun 1, 2020 13:01:43 GMT -5
So all these people who held the same physical design of the NWA tag title are technically different titles? Because most of these reigns are not formally recognized by the official NWA organization TNA  WWE/NWA  WCW  NWA  |
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Post by cjh on Jun 1, 2020 13:08:46 GMT -5
The collective NWA had one World Heavyweight Champion and one World Jr. Heavyweight Champion. All other titles belonged to a specific company in the NWA, so each group could have their own "World Tag Team Champions" or "United States Champion" or whatever.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Jun 1, 2020 14:14:07 GMT -5
Thanks for reminding me how much I loved the NWA tags design of the later 80s.
re: the above pictures...
Wouldn't the WCW and NWA (solo) ones be one and the same, actually? As that tag team title = same one from the JCP days? (the Freebirds won them when JCP had become WCW)
But...technically, the one Steamboat and Douglas held was a new lineage, yes? (so to recap, original "NWA" tags became the WCW tags, then a new NWA tag title started in 1992)
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jun 1, 2020 14:58:06 GMT -5
So all these people who held the same physical design of the NWA tag title are technically different titles? Because most of these reigns are not formally recognized by the official NWA organization Thanks for reminding me how much I loved the NWA tags design of the later 80s. re: the above pictures... Wouldn't the WCW and NWA (solo) ones be one and the same, actually? As that tag team title = same one from the JCP days? (the Freebirds won them when JCP had become WCW) But...technically, the one Steamboat and Douglas held was a new lineage, yes? (so to recap, original "NWA" tags became the WCW tags, then a new NWA tag title started in 1992) -The Mid-Atlantic tag title was started in 1975, owned by promoter Jim Crockett. It was usually referred to as that, but as Crockett Jr began to try to monopolize the NWA, he started terming the Mid-Atlantic titles as the "NWA tag titles" - make no mistake, they weren't. They were strictly still just JCP property, not governed by the actual NWA. These are the titles the Freebirds won. -When Turner bought JCP, these titles were called the WCW Tag titles. Again, there was no governing by the actual NWA on this and when WCW backed out of the NWA, the titles became strictly the WCW tag titles. It was the same company championship started in 1975 and passed from JCP to WCW. So the Freebirds and Steamboat/Douglas are part of the same lineage. -When WWE purchased WCW, this was the title that transferred over and used there until its eventual deactivation. THE NWA TAG TEAM CHAMPIONSHIP:-In 1992, while still working with WCW, the NWA decided to finally create/endorse an official "NWA Tag" title. This championship was separate from the WCW company title above, and was first won by Gordy/Williams. -This championship was deactivated when WCW and NWA parted ways. -This title was reactivated a couple of years later and used in NWA-endorsed independents. It deactivated again after a couple of years. -When the NWA Invasion happened in WWF, it was reactivated yet again and given to the Rock N Roll Express. -Once that angle died out, the official NWA Tag title was used by NWA-endorsed independents for years until TNA started. -The titles were then won and defended on TNA shows until TNA split from NWA. -This title and its lineage then existed on the independent scene until becoming part of Corgan's new NWA promotion THE TNA TAG TEAM CHAMPIONSHIP:-When TNA split from the NWA, they created a new title with a new, fresh lineage; the Dudleys were the first champions of this title. |
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Post by romanstylesiii on Jun 1, 2020 15:12:40 GMT -5
So all these people who held the same physical design of the NWA tag title are technically different titles? Because most of these reigns are not formally recognized by the official NWA organization Thanks for reminding me how much I loved the NWA tags design of the later 80s. re: the above pictures... Wouldn't the WCW and NWA (solo) ones be one and the same, actually? As that tag team title = same one from the JCP days? (the Freebirds won them when JCP had become WCW) But...technically, the one Steamboat and Douglas held was a new lineage, yes? (so to recap, original "NWA" tags became the WCW tags, then a new NWA tag title started in 1992) -The Mid-Atlantic tag title was started in 1975, owned by promoter Jim Crockett. It was usually referred to as that, but as Crockett Jr began to try to monopolize the NWA, he started terming the Mid-Atlantic titles as the "NWA tag titles" - make no mistake, they weren't. They were strictly still just JCP property, not governed by the actual NWA. These are the titles the Freebirds won. -When Turner bought JCP, these titles were called the WCW Tag titles. Again, there was no governing by the actual NWA on this and when WCW backed out of the NWA, the titles became strictly the WCW tag titles. It was the same company championship started in 1975 and passed from JCP to WCW. So the Freebirds and Steamboat/Douglas are part of the same lineage. -When WWE purchased WCW, this was the title that transferred over and used there until its eventual deactivation. THE NWA TAG TEAM CHAMPIONSHIP:-In 1992, while still working with WCW, the NWA decided to finally create/endorse an official "NWA Tag" title. This championship was separate from the WCW company title above, and was first won by Gordy/Williams. -This championship was deactivated when WCW and NWA parted ways. -This title was reactivated a couple of years later and used in NWA-endorsed independents. It deactivated again after a couple of years. -When the NWA Invasion happened in WWF, it was reactivated yet again and given to the Rock N Roll Express. -Once that angle died out, the official NWA Tag title was used by NWA-endorsed independents for years until TNA started. -The titles were then won and defended on TNA shows until TNA split from NWA. -This title and its lineage then existed on the independent scene until becoming part of Corgan's new NWA promotion THE TNA TAG TEAM CHAMPIONSHIP:-When TNA split from the NWA, they created a new title with a new, fresh lineage; the Dudleys were the first champions of this title. Thanks for knowledge on this sir |
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Post by grungesmurf on Jun 1, 2020 17:16:22 GMT -5
I wish the WWE would bring back the Crockett version of the belt.
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