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Post by autisticgeordie on Jun 2, 2020 17:57:36 GMT -5
I mean, is it a perfect show? Of course it isn't, but I don't think that it deserves the scorn that it gets, Season 1 was a genuinely fantastic ride and helped me realise how awesome characters like Korra, who are just headstrong brawlers, are especially in comparison to Aang; also you have brilliant characters like Varrick and BeiFong and JK Simmons absolutely killing it as Tenzin.
But it seems like most videos on Korra are talking about how bad it is, with people talking about things that, let's be real, nobody gives a flying f*** about; when it's like people get a YouTube account and every Tom, Dick and Harry thinks that they're Roger Ebert, as if that means that they know what they're talking about?
Part of me wonders if people dislike Korra for no other reason than because it's not Aang...I mean, in fairness, Avatar: Last Airbender was an amazing show, so Korra had some big shoes to fill and, even though it certainly had it's downsides, I don't think it's as atrocious as some people think it is and I think it was a damn good follow-up to a great show like Last Airbender.
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Post by BorneAgain on Jun 2, 2020 18:10:07 GMT -5
There's several flaws that contributed to making it a lesser show than Avatar in many people's eyes; an originally one season program that turned into several, a struggle with making Korra different from Aang without making her too unlikable, certain weak villains that simply weren't as well thought out as they should be, etc.
However to me the one that ended up being the biggest albatross around the show's neck was the love triangle. It went on for too long, consistently became a plot cul-de-sac as far as development, and often felt like it hampered the actual growth of three characters involved. While I give credit to the show for eventually taking advantage of the subtext and getting to a satisfying ending for at least two of the people in it, the inherent problems it created and potential the show squandered in service to it make it one of the most unfortunately notable things about Korra all these years later.
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Post by autisticgeordie on Jun 2, 2020 18:14:29 GMT -5
There's several flaws that contributed to making it a lesser show than Avatar in many people's eyes; an originally one season program that turned into several, a struggle with making Korra different from Aang without making her too unlikable, certain weak villains that simply weren't as well thought out as they should be, etc. However to me the one that ended up being the biggest albatross around the show's neck was the love triangle. It went on for too long, consistently became a plot cul-de-sac as far as development, and often felt like it hampered the actual growth of three characters involved. While I give credit to the show for eventually taking advantage of the subtext and getting to a satisfying ending for at least two of the people in it, the inherent problems it created and potential the show squandered in service to it make it one of the most unfortunately notable things about Korra all these years later. I mean, I don't know what's wrong with having Korra be so hotheaded and brash, especially at the start, it gave her room to grow throughout even just one season and it instantly establishes a difference from the original series. I will admit that the love triangle stuff was pointless.
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Post by BorneAgain on Jun 2, 2020 18:26:34 GMT -5
There's several flaws that contributed to making it a lesser show than Avatar in many people's eyes; an originally one season program that turned into several, a struggle with making Korra different from Aang without making her too unlikable, certain weak villains that simply weren't as well thought out as they should be, etc. However to me the one that ended up being the biggest albatross around the show's neck was the love triangle. It went on for too long, consistently became a plot cul-de-sac as far as development, and often felt like it hampered the actual growth of three characters involved. While I give credit to the show for eventually taking advantage of the subtext and getting to a satisfying ending for at least two of the people in it, the inherent problems it created and potential the show squandered in service to it make it one of the most unfortunately notable things about Korra all these years later. I mean, I don't know what's wrong with having Korra be so hotheaded and brash, especially at the start, it gave her room to grow throughout even just one season and it instantly establishes a difference from the original series. I will admit that the love triangle stuff was pointless. Part of it was that it is fine to make a character, even a main one unlikable provided they're compelling. Early Zuko in Avatar, no matter how unsympathetic he could get, he was still interesting to watch. With decent portion of the fanbase Korra had a combination at times of being an arrogant jerk and not terrible enthralling to boot. Now both views on her are a matter of relative opinion, but when that's the combination of observations by a lot of the viewers, there's going to be problems. That Korra grew out of that and come season 4 she was well rounded character whose internal struggles were genuinely interesting is worth noting. Its just that it felt like her journey could have grabbed people earlier if it had been handled better.
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Post by The Legend of Groose on Jun 2, 2020 18:28:09 GMT -5
It's not A:TLA.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jun 2, 2020 18:30:58 GMT -5
I mean, is it a perfect show? Of course it isn't, but I don't think that it deserves the scorn that it gets, Season 1 was a genuinely fantastic ride and helped me realise how awesome characters like Korra, who are just headstrong brawlers, are especially in comparison to Aang; also you have brilliant characters like Varrick and BeiFong and JK Simmons absolutely killing it as Tenzin. But it seems like most videos on Korra are talking about how bad it is, with people talking about things that, let's be real, nobody gives a flying f*** about; when it's like people get a YouTube account and every Tom, Dick and Harry thinks that they're Roger Ebert, as if that means that they know what they're talking about? Part of me wonders if people dislike Korra for no other reason than because it's not Aang...I mean, in fairness, Avatar: Last Airbender was an amazing show, so Korra had some big shoes to fill and, even though it certainly had it's downsides, I don't think it's as atrocious as some people think it is and I think it was a damn good follow-up to a great show like Last Airbender. Geordie, we didn't get to that "posting new threads" thing yet, but disregarding that for the moment, I want to urge you to find a better way to bring up the things you want to talk about rather than making it a divisive effort from the start. You don't don't have to start discussions with "Why does everyone hate..." or "Why is there such a backlash..." Just talk about the things you like. Don't worry about the people who don't like it. It's wasted energy and it only sets up your discussion for clapback and defensive counterarguments. Thank you.
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Post by chrom on Jun 2, 2020 18:48:55 GMT -5
S1 Finale was just a major letdown to me and killed my interest in it.
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Post by autisticgeordie on Jun 2, 2020 18:49:14 GMT -5
I mean, is it a perfect show? Of course it isn't, but I don't think that it deserves the scorn that it gets, Season 1 was a genuinely fantastic ride and helped me realise how awesome characters like Korra, who are just headstrong brawlers, are especially in comparison to Aang; also you have brilliant characters like Varrick and BeiFong and JK Simmons absolutely killing it as Tenzin. But it seems like most videos on Korra are talking about how bad it is, with people talking about things that, let's be real, nobody gives a flying f*** about; when it's like people get a YouTube account and every Tom, Dick and Harry thinks that they're Roger Ebert, as if that means that they know what they're talking about? Part of me wonders if people dislike Korra for no other reason than because it's not Aang...I mean, in fairness, Avatar: Last Airbender was an amazing show, so Korra had some big shoes to fill and, even though it certainly had it's downsides, I don't think it's as atrocious as some people think it is and I think it was a damn good follow-up to a great show like Last Airbender. Geordie, we didn't get to that "posting new threads" thing yet, but disregarding that for the moment, I want to urge you to find a better way to bring up the things you want to talk about rather than making it a divisive effort from the start. You don't don't have to start discussions with "Why does everyone hate..." or "Why is there such a backlash..." Just talk about the things you like. Don't worry about the people who don't like it. It's wasted energy and it only sets up your discussion for clapback and defensive counterarguments. Thank you. I apologise and I understand, I will do everything I can to stick to the terms that we agreed upon.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Jun 2, 2020 19:50:51 GMT -5
There WAS going to be a Backlash for Korra, but WWE didn't like her idea of fighting the evil spirit Vaatu because "booking yourself to wrestle a god doesn't work, pal!"
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 20:32:50 GMT -5
Never seen it but from the impressions I've seen over the years and from my own impression as someone who hasn't seen it it looks like a worse Avatar: The Last Airbender. I mean, it happens to a lot of things that are sequels, often.
A bigger more diverse question would be "why are most sequels worse than the originals?" because that could bring forth a different type of discussion. I mean think about it, getting the sequel to hit harder than the original? That's mad tough. "The Sophomore slump" does exist.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 21:18:46 GMT -5
The lack of stakes hurt it for me. Not having that overarching issue, and it just seemed like Korra would immediately overcome any issue she had without much growth. Like losing her bending and then getting it right back. When it DID try to have bigger stuff - like the question of if the Benders have too much power - it sort of squanders them with a reveal that undercuts it all.
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Post by darbus alan on Jun 2, 2020 21:40:59 GMT -5
Most of it comes from a very anticlimactic ending to Book 1 and Book 2 being kind of a stinkfest. Books 3 and 4 were a lot better, but a lot of the people who hated how Book 1 ended and Book 2 in general already got off the train by then.
I also think some of it was homophobic backlash from Korrasami becoming canon. I remember a lot of complaints about them getting together with the usual "I don't hate gay people but" excuses.
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Post by Dub H on Jun 2, 2020 21:43:28 GMT -5
Mako is an awful character and season 2 is just bad.
I really like everything else
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Post by Dub H on Jun 2, 2020 21:44:31 GMT -5
Never seen it but from the impressions I've seen over the years and from my own impression as someone who hasn't seen it it looks like a worse Avatar: The Last Airbender. I mean, it happens to a lot of things that are sequels, often. A bigger more diverse question would be "why are most sequels worse than the originals?" because that could bring forth a different type of discussion. I mean think about it, getting the sequel to hit harder than the original? That's mad tough. "The Sophomore slump" does exist. I would say thsi ios not the case because Legend of Korra is nothing alike Last Airbender.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 21:59:46 GMT -5
Never seen it but from the impressions I've seen over the years and from my own impression as someone who hasn't seen it it looks like a worse Avatar: The Last Airbender. I mean, it happens to a lot of things that are sequels, often. A bigger more diverse question would be "why are most sequels worse than the originals?" because that could bring forth a different type of discussion. I mean think about it, getting the sequel to hit harder than the original? That's mad tough. "The Sophomore slump" does exist. I would say thsi ios not the case because Legend of Korra is nothing alike Last Airbender. Are you saying that this show isn't a sequel to Avatar: The Last Airbender?
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Post by Dub H on Jun 2, 2020 22:04:59 GMT -5
I would say thsi ios not the case because Legend of Korra is nothing alike Last Airbender. Are you saying that this show isn't a sequel to Avatar: The Last Airbender? I am saying the structure,setting and narrative are completely different ,it doesnt try to be last air bender.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 22:10:39 GMT -5
You made the exact same thread four months ago.Though to answer the question... Korra eventually lands on being a good show, but I think it's pretty far from a great show. The only season that really delivers consistently is season 3. Season 1 has an absolute mountain of narrative choices that make no sense in retrospect, bizarre worldbuilding blunders, and completely illogical actions that fly in the face of characters' motivations. Season 2 speaks for itself. Season 4 is granted hampered by the reduced budget but does kind of fumble around blindly for awhile trying to figure out what to do and it ends up pulling the whole platinum mech thing out of its ass to give the season a big climax and neither of the villains' face turns makes the slightest bit of sense with how they're written up to that point. I think only season 2 is genuinely bad, but it's a pretty clunky show and there are problems that are persistent throughout, like most of the supporting cast being very half-baked and the show feeling the need to just keep them around for some reason after they've served their only actual functions. And also the whole shipping element is just a constant, crushing drain on the first two seasons... though at least they did get over it instead of letting it consume the show like Star vs. or something. Even beyond those though there are two other things that I think really make the key difference between it and Avatar. 1. Korra takes itself way too seriously. Yeah, there's comedy, but there's basically no point in the entire show when they just sit down and have a breather episode. Yeah, a lot of those episodes in Avatar were among the worse ones, but it still does a lot to help build up friendship and the world around the characters. Korra really never has anything like that. Plus it kind of helps to keep your main characters from looking like jobbers; every Korra season is basically just a progression of whoever that season's main villain is effortlessly beating the heroes' asses over and over until the finale (and even when they do win, it's just what the villain wanted in the name of their secret evil scheme) and it can make them look pretty useless. 2. Korra doesn't have a Zuko (well, it has Zuko, but you know what I mean). Even in a lot of the worse Avatar episodes the Zuko and Iroh plots can help elevate them and they give the show way more in the way of depth. Korra does have more varied subplots than Avatar does but there isn't really a secondary face of the show that can elevate it the way Zuko did for the original.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 22:36:19 GMT -5
Are you saying that this show isn't a sequel to Avatar: The Last Airbender? I am saying the structure,setting and narrative are completely different ,it doesnt try to be last air bender. That's not the point. I'm saying from an outsider's perspective it looks like "Boruto" compared to "Naruto." Even if the setting, narrative and story plots are different it looks like a sequel to something that was more fresh and new, a continuation. It's not about how how different it is. From a visual aspect? That's how it is appearance-wise.
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Post by Dub H on Jun 2, 2020 22:38:37 GMT -5
I am saying the structure,setting and narrative are completely different ,it doesnt try to be last air bender. That's not the point. I'm saying from the outsider from an outsider's perspective it looks like "Boruto" compared to "Naruto." Even if the setting, narrative and story plots are different it looks like a sequel to something that was more fresh and new, a continuation. It's not about how how different it is. From a visual aspect? That's how it appearance. Ah well if it is only visually speaking,I think it looks better technically speaking but it lacks the variety and styles the original had,since it takes place 80% in the same places in the first seasons,it is often a complaint that the Main City looks really boring and nothing like the asian-inspired scenarios of the original.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Jun 3, 2020 0:00:36 GMT -5
Korra suffered to be for a couple of reasons:
1. The show was only meant to be one season. Nick just wanted the one season, but the show did so well that it was renewed for another season like it was nothing.
2. Look at the writing credits on your average Korra episodes, now look at the writing credits for ATLA. The creators, Mike and Bryan (also called Bryke) literally wrote most of The Legend of Korra episodes, while a completely different set of writers wrote most of ATLA's episodes. Those people are either not on Korra's writing staff or are few and far between. Bryke, like George Lucas, are great idea and world building guys, but when it comes to writing scripts and actually dialogue? It's awful.
3. Nick was awful with this show's schedule. Ratings after the first season started to tank to the point where Korra was moved to strictly to Nickelodeon's crappy website. And sadly it was in that weird in-between time where watching shows on regular tv was getting played out, but before binge watching and Netflix Animation was a huge thing. So it never got a chance to get that same audience of kids who would watch repeats for weeks and months on end on Nick to build up as huge a fanbase like ATLA got.
4. To go back to the writing thing..it makes all kinds of weird choices. Characters are either way too serious, way too boring, way too goofy. Except for maybe Bolin, Varrick, and Tenzin, a lot of characters just feel like stock characters with Asian inspired names. Like, name something that makes Asami or Mako interesting characters. I can't stress enough how good writing saves ATLA and just wrecks Korra. It's so much like the prequels, like..there's heart in them and you can tell, but god damn their are so many illogical weird plot choices that just makes them not stick the landing in the slightest.
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