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Post by The Ichi on Jun 8, 2020 11:31:32 GMT -5
Bruce was certainly more than an actor, but I do feel his myth is more than a little overblown. We've seen what Mayweather can do.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Jun 8, 2020 12:28:00 GMT -5
Can’t beat what you can’t touch. Mayweather wins.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jun 8, 2020 12:59:55 GMT -5
It's not that people have soured on Bruce Lee, he was great in those films&seems like he was a good dude.
It's just that there's NO footage of him actually fighting anyone. If I'm going to buy that this amazing martial arts actor can legitimately beat guys that fight for a living you have to at least show me 'A' fight he was in.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Jun 8, 2020 13:02:44 GMT -5
Bruce Lee is just an actor so Floyd takes it easily. Bruce Lee wasn't JUST an actor, you are really downplaying his skill I saw Brad Pitt kick his ass. You're saying Tarantino lied to me?
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Post by I'm Team Bayley and Indi on Jun 8, 2020 13:05:44 GMT -5
Bruce Lee wasn't JUST an actor, you are really downplaying his skill I saw Brad Pitt kick his ass. You're saying Tarantino lied to me? No just like Inglourious Basterds that movie was 100 percent accurate
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Jun 8, 2020 13:24:41 GMT -5
I saw Brad Pitt kick his ass. You're saying Tarantino lied to me? No just like Inglourious Basterds that movie was 100 percent accurate On a serious note, I think the Bruce Lee myth is as perpetuated as the Andre the Giant myth simply due to it being the 70s and not a lot is recorded or verifiable. - Bruce could kick faster than the camera could record. Maybe Mayweather can punch faster that the record rates of a 70s movie camera. Likewise, Andre's fingers were big as a normal man's wrist. - Bruce allegedly defeated loads of attackers on the street. No recording of it. No verification other than people's say so. Andre the Giant allegedly flipped over a car with four drunks in it in Europe. Is there a police report verifying that? Or just drunk Tim White's account. I think Bruce's myth is glorified due to his high profile celebrity students, which helped raise his legend in the media. No doubt he was extremely talented, but he was a showman, not a professional fighter. Could he take on Muhammad Ali as it's suggested in the Tarantino movie?
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Post by chazraps on Jun 8, 2020 13:26:15 GMT -5
Mayweather would have never agreed to fight anyone in their prime, so in a straight up fight, Bruce wins.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2020 13:45:50 GMT -5
IDK if there is more footage and while this is a sparring session (not an mma fight like this video is titled) this is as close to getting to see how Bruce would look in a professional fight setting.
You can see how ahead of his time his skills were here doing alot of what modern MMA fighters do but the biggest thing is you can see in a pro setting he would be more of a counter fighter waiting for his opponent to make the first move and using alot of jabs and powerful kicks and also doing what alot of MMA fighters today do not do which is which is changing his stance on his opponent and use that to close the distance.
But he is also doing things that people would very likely try and explot...mainly when he moves around he is crossing his legs leaving him open to being very easily knocked off balance.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Jun 8, 2020 17:27:13 GMT -5
I mean, pro probably Mayweather but straight up like Vale Tudo, I dunno man, Bruce is absolutely jacked and hard and fast as f***, bar fights last two seconds so i'd call it anyones fight there
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Post by repomark on Jun 10, 2020 10:25:47 GMT -5
No just like Inglourious Basterds that movie was 100 percent accurate On a serious note, I think the Bruce Lee myth is as perpetuated as the Andre the Giant myth simply due to it being the 70s and not a lot is recorded or verifiable. - Bruce could kick faster than the camera could record. Maybe Mayweather can punch faster that the record rates of a 70s movie camera. Likewise, Andre's fingers were big as a normal man's wrist. - Bruce allegedly defeated loads of attackers on the street. No recording of it. No verification other than people's say so. Andre the Giant allegedly flipped over a car with four drunks in it in Europe. Is there a police report verifying that? Or just drunk Tim White's account. I think Bruce's myth is glorified due to his high profile celebrity students, which helped raise his legend in the media. No doubt he was extremely talented, but he was a showman, not a professional fighter. Could he take on Muhammad Ali as it's suggested in the Tarantino movie? Good points. To be fair to Bruce Lee, I believe he went on record as saying it was ridiculous to think he would have a chance against Muhammad Ali, and would get his ass kicked in a fight with him. No idea how tough Lee was in real life, but I like to believe he was a legit bad ass and enjoy the legend as it’s more fun than the middle ground the reality probably was.
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Post by Peeetah on Jun 10, 2020 11:02:42 GMT -5
I think people are letting their distaste for Mayweather as a person cloud their judgement, he is the greatest boxer of his generation and one of the greatest of all time, Bruce Lee wasn't a competitive athlete.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 10, 2020 11:21:44 GMT -5
Bruce Lee
He wins with a hadoken.
Yeah, he could do that.
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Post by Dub H on Jun 10, 2020 11:36:31 GMT -5
Man, Bruce Lee mythmaking has really gotten out of control. The answer of Bruce Lee vs any professional fighter ever is almost certainly the fighter. I know that isn't a fun answer but it's the truth. Good thing Boxing is a sport and not a fighting style. Seriously boxing is neat but it got nothing on any true fighting art. That is not to downplay raw strenght and speed.And it is better than nothing.Like Ali would definetely knock down Bruce Lee but that it more due to strenght and buils than technique
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 10, 2020 11:48:18 GMT -5
Can't really say
Bruce Lee was a martial artist and not a man who fought as a profession. If you put him in this time, with his skills and forward thinking he is probably going to be great but in just a straight up fight i'll go Floyd. One of the greatest boxers of all time and probably the best defensive and technical boxer of all time
In the end it isn't really a fair question anyway due to the time gap and as said one fighting as a profession while the other was a great fighter
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Post by Raskovnik on Jun 10, 2020 14:08:25 GMT -5
Man, Bruce Lee mythmaking has really gotten out of control. The answer of Bruce Lee vs any professional fighter ever is almost certainly the fighter. I know that isn't a fun answer but it's the truth. Good thing Boxing is a sport and not a fighting style. Seriously boxing is neat but it got nothing on any true fighting art. That is not to downplay raw strenght and speed.And it is better than nothing.Like Ali would definetely knock down Bruce Lee but that it more due to strenght and buils than technique How familiar are you with the sport of MMA?
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Post by Dub H on Jun 10, 2020 14:19:29 GMT -5
Good thing Boxing is a sport and not a fighting style. Seriously boxing is neat but it got nothing on any true fighting art. That is not to downplay raw strenght and speed.And it is better than nothing.Like Ali would definetely knock down Bruce Lee but that it more due to strenght and buils than technique How familiar are you with the sport of MMA? MMA has much less rules than boxing and you can apply much more fight to it. Boxing is good to learn if you are figbter to learn footwork and throw a fight ending punch.Its not useless but pure boxing vs pure martial it is simply not as good So is Bruce Lee the godsend of martial arts? No ,but he is still more of a fighter than what Mayweather is. He is an amazing boxer,doesnt mean he is an amazing fighter. Edit: Just to add the Bruce Lee made sure he didnt limit himself to a "style" he was VERY well rounded, it makes worlds of difference in a fight,especially against someone that only knows how to fight under rules.
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Post by Dub H on Jun 10, 2020 14:40:03 GMT -5
I think people are letting their distaste for Mayweather as a person cloud their judgement, he is the greatest boxer of his generation and one of the greatest of all time, Bruce Lee wasn't a competitive athlete. As I said above,precisely,Bruce lee wasnt athlete,he was an martial artist and a fighter. Mayweather is not a fighter,he is an athelete.
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Post by Raskovnik on Jun 10, 2020 14:43:09 GMT -5
How familiar are you with the sport of MMA? MMA has much less rules than boxing and you can apply much more fight to it. Boxing is good to learn if you are figbter to learn footwork and throw a fight ending match.Its not useless but pure boxing vs pure martial it is simply not as good So is Bruce Lee the godsend of martial arts? No ,but he is still more of a fighter than what Mayweather is. He is an amazing boxer,doesnt mean he is an amazing fighter. I think the issue we have here is we need to get at what you mean by "martial art." Boxing is also a martial art, and one that has proven highly successful in mixed martial arts, which is the closest facsimile we have to a "fight." Boxing is one of the fundamental things you need to know if you want to even have a chance in modern MMA, along with BJJ and wrestling (or at least anti-wrestling to stop someone from taking you down.) However, karate like Bruce Lee uses has proven to be largely ineffective in these fights. There are two fighters I can think of who have specifically used the karate style and succeeded at a high level (Wonderboy and Lyoto Machida) but by and large, as we have seen in MMA, in a fight, boxers usually beat the hell out of karate fighters. Now, Bruce Lee also did other martial arts, like judo and even boxing, both of which we have seen do work in a fight. Mayweather said he was also training in MMA (could have been BS, could have been true) and he's also a phenomenal athlete regardless so I can see him picking it up quickly. I just have to assume that the guy whose athletic prowess we've seen countless times in a style that works in real fighting would beat up the actor. I know Bruce Lee was also a martial artist and an innovator but we have have little verifiable proof to go off of other than hearsay from people who trained with him 50 years ago and were his friends, some point fights, martial arts exhibitions with people who aren't trying to hurt him or stand still and do what he wants, and scenes from his movies. It's bizarre to me that I have to argue that.
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Post by Dub H on Jun 10, 2020 14:53:48 GMT -5
MMA has much less rules than boxing and you can apply much more fight to it. Boxing is good to learn if you are figbter to learn footwork and throw a fight ending match.Its not useless but pure boxing vs pure martial it is simply not as good So is Bruce Lee the godsend of martial arts? No ,but he is still more of a fighter than what Mayweather is. He is an amazing boxer,doesnt mean he is an amazing fighter. I think the issue we have here is we need to get at what you mean by "martial art." Boxing is also a martial art, and one that has proven highly successful in mixed martial arts, which is the closest facsimile we have to a "fight." Boxing is one of the fundamental things you need to know if you want to even have a chance in modern MMA, along with BJJ and wrestling (or at least anti-wrestling to stop someone from taking you down.) However, karate like Bruce Lee uses has proven to be largely ineffective in these fights. There are two fighters I can think of who have specifically used the karate style and succeeded at a high level (Wonderboy and Lyoto Machida) but by and large, as we have seen in MMA, in a fight, boxers usually beat the hell out of karate fighters. Now, Bruce Lee also did other martial arts, like judo and even boxing, both of which we have seen do work in a fight. Mayweather said he was also training in MMA (could have been BS, could have been true) and he's also a phenomenal athlete regardless so I can see him picking it up quickly. I just have to assume that the guy whose athletic prowess we've seen countless times in a style that works in real fighting would beat up the actor. I know Bruce Lee was also a martial artist and an innovator but we have have little verifiable proof to go off of other than hearsay from people who trained with him 50 years ago and were his friends, some point fights, martial arts exhibitions with people who aren't trying to hurt him or stand still and do what he wants, and scenes from his movies. It's bizarre to me that I have to argue that. Dude,Bruce Lee si basically a MMA fighter, he studies martial arts of all kind.Boxing is a martial art sure,in theory, but it is still a single-focus sports that lacks the technique for a real fight against other martial arts(that is not to say it is the worst). Bruce Lee is not just a Karate Guy.I don't know how deep Lee went but he did study Jiu Jitsu and Western Boxing. I edite some stuff that I forgot to add there if you wanna respond too(sorry about it ,it is a bad habit of mine) but I admit Boxing is GREAt to help fundamentals, you need to know how to punch and how to move.But in a fight it lacks the technique to be good , kinda like how Ali broke his fist in a real fight as an example.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2020 15:18:31 GMT -5
Go back and watch the video I posted of the sparring session.
Bruce understands how to fight in a pro setting but he makes obvious mistakes...I.E Crossing his legs when he is moving.
Just because the man never fought professionally does not mean he was incapable of it as the sparring session showed...with how he takes away entry points from the other fighter , how quickly he counters the other fighter with his jabs and kicks etc.
Bruces biggest issue and Michael Jai White spoke about this , is his weight he weighed approx 135 and that puts him at a distinct disadvantage against anyone at above even 150lbs , Bruce was very powerful but there is a reason professional fights have divisions.
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