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Post by Dub H on Jun 10, 2020 16:09:32 GMT -5
Go back and watch the video I posted of the sparring session. Bruce understands how to fight in a pro setting but he makes obvious mistakes...I.E Crossing his legs when he is moving. Just because the man never fought professionally does not mean he was incapable of it as the sparring session showed...with how he takes away entry points from the other fighter , how quickly he counters the other fighter with his jabs and kicks etc. Bruces biggest issue and Michael Jai White spoke about this , is his weight he weighed approx 135 and that puts him at a distinct disadvantage against anyone at above even 150lbs , Bruce was very powerful but there is a reason professional fights have divisions. Which is the reason he says he would get beaten by Ali. Ali was a natural beast of a man.You would need to be movies level of amazing to be able to take him down being Bruce Lee's Size.In this situation Mayweather isnt that far from Lee
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jun 10, 2020 19:42:45 GMT -5
Even the sparring session vid is fairly meaningless in terms of how he'd do in an actual legitimate fight because it's just that, a sparring session.
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Post by warden on Jun 10, 2020 21:00:00 GMT -5
I think people are letting their distaste for Mayweather as a person cloud their judgement, he is the greatest boxer of his generation and one of the greatest of all time, Bruce Lee wasn't a competitive athlete. As I said above,precisely,Bruce lee wasnt athlete,he was an martial artist and a fighter. Mayweather is not a fighter,he is an athelete. Mayweather is a fighter. All fighters are athletes. If you don't have any athleticism it doesn't matter how talented you are you are going to gas and get beat up permanently. Bruce knew this. Anyone that steps into a ring, circle, octagon or whatever is a real fighter. I don't know how you can say mayweather and all boxers that have come before him and after aren't real fighters. Men have literally died in boxing. What is more raw and pure in combat than that? And boxing isn't all about power like you alluded to earlier. If that was the case big George Foreman would have beat Ali in Africa. Boxing is a martial art. It has so many nuances and fundamentals you have to learn just to be decent. Of the 3 fuundamental martial arts, which include bjj and wrestling, it is by far the most overwhelming and scariest. In bjj when you are in trouble you tap. In wrestling they pin your shoulders you lose. In boxing you got to take the beating and fatigue for however many rounds, unless you quit but then you probably won't want to box again. It's tough all three are but boxing is real gruelling. As for Mayweather vs Bruce. My heart says bruce but my brain says Mayweather. It is hard to say. In his real life fight with wong jack man his wife states that both got into their traditional fight stances but as soon as the fight began it devolved into a grappling match where Bruce overpowered jack and started rabbit punching him. Which led him to realize his fighting style didn't work and started coming up with the concept of mixed martial arts. Then there's the time gene lebelle neutralized him on the set of the green hornet because he was being rough with the stuntmen. If they were to fight hmmm... Bruce would most likely start with low kicks. Mayweather wouldn't know what to do with them. Mayweather would have to move in close to neutralize any kicks and bring the fight to Bruce. Only question remains is if bruce's grappling game is strong enough to deter Mayweather. Bruce probably knows little to know bjj but if he learned from gene then he probably bests Mayweather. This is of course assuming Bruce can take a shot from Mayweather. That's a big X factor. We don't know how well Bruce could take punishment. We know floyd can take it. Plus in a street fight floyd is allowed to fight dirty too so he probably knows things... Well at least this challenge is a lot more interesting than those Ali vs Bruce matchups. Bruce would have to fight perfectly and use a weapon to even survive a fight against Ali.
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Post by Peeetah on Jun 10, 2020 21:14:30 GMT -5
I think people are letting their distaste for Mayweather as a person cloud their judgement, he is the greatest boxer of his generation and one of the greatest of all time, Bruce Lee wasn't a competitive athlete. As I said above,precisely,Bruce lee wasnt athlete,he was an martial artist and a fighter. Mayweather is not a fighter,he is an athelete. There is next to no evidence of Lee putting anything he did into practice it's all just theory there is no evidence that he would have any idea what to do with a trained fighter who was trying to hurt him.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jun 10, 2020 23:01:44 GMT -5
NOTICE: IF YOU'VE ALREADY POSTED YOUR OPINION ON THE MATTER, YOU ARE HEREBY BARRED FROM POSTING FURTHER IN THIS THREAD.
Swear to god, I'm getting tired of this "nuh-uh!"/"uh-huh!" elementary school bullshit.
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Post by lucas_lee on Jun 11, 2020 0:35:07 GMT -5
I think people forgot that Mayweather in his prime was ragdolling and knocking cats down and out. Bruce Lee was great from stuff I've heard, but Mayweather is a gym rat and training animal. If you give him ample training time he would have his way with Lee
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Post by honsou on Jun 11, 2020 1:01:41 GMT -5
What we basically learned in the early UFCs and even the early PRIDE is that there are very very few legit fighting style: Wrestling, Boxing, Muay Thai and BJJ. Its pretty easy to make the argument that Mayweather is the greatest boxer of all time and its likely that any serious person has him at least in the top 10. Bruce Lee was primarily an actor and while he seemed to be an expert in some martial arts there is very little evidence of him even sparing much less fighting competitively. So Mayweather wins pretty easily
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Jun 12, 2020 13:10:45 GMT -5
Like in all legit fights it comes down to who can do a groin shot/eye stab combo the fastest.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Jun 12, 2020 14:04:27 GMT -5
the real question is who would win in a fight
Mance Warner vs Chris Masters in a sombraro?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2020 14:09:01 GMT -5
Mayweather dances around the ring a bit trying to avoid Lee, then bam, Bruce Lee knocks him the f*** out right out of nowhere.
This would actually be a neat fight for the early days of UFC when they had boxers fight karate masters and shit like that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2020 14:11:59 GMT -5
I saw Brad Pitt kick his ass. You're saying Tarantino lied to me? No just like Inglourious Basterds that movie was 100 percent accurate Well the concept that Jews like to see Nazis get f***ed up was pretty accurate.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jun 12, 2020 14:49:37 GMT -5
Gene Lebell made Steven Seagal shit himself once.
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Post by paulbearer on Jun 12, 2020 15:06:41 GMT -5
Man, Bruce Lee mythmaking has really gotten out of control. The answer of Bruce Lee vs any professional fighter ever is almost certainly the fighter. I know that isn't a fun answer but it's the truth. You never met him so how would you know ? Michael Chan (a legit fighter himself) , Jim Kelly , his stundents and numerous others did however and they were impressed by his talent. In sparring nobody could touch Lee , he would win mostly due to speed but he was also fairly strong. He did fight : HK street fights , Wong Jack Man , thai on the set of BB , a few of the Enter extras and he kicked the hell out of an intruder who jumped the wall at his HK home ("Ive never kicked anyone that hard before !") Whong Ing Sik acted pompous on Way of Dragon set , "hes not legit , hes only an actor"....lets just say Lee brought him down few notches
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Sept 14, 2020 7:51:28 GMT -5
Just watched a documentary covering this very topic with many talking heads from sports, academics and entertainment (Dana White, Mickey Rourke, Kobe Bryant, Manny Pacquiao and assorted musicians, philosophers and MMA fighters) and his family, friends and peers/associates.
- Gene La Belle states Bruce was a very athletic man but couldn't tell if Bruce was a worker working the workers and the audience, or if he was very, very good at fighting, and was legit.
- I was surprised to discover his famous philosophies were sometimes actually paraphrased lines his characters spoke in bit roles, and scripted by someone else. "Be like water, my friend " as an example.
- He studied the martial arts but there is legit arguments that he wasn't a pioneer of the MMA philosophy.
- He was against sporting rules, so his fight philosophy was to quickly end a threat, not win points.
- they bounced around Brock Lesnar vs Bruce Lee and said pound for pound Bruce was the best, but none of that would work on the Beast.
No one denied he was a force of nature and his influence is far reaching. It was fascinating to discover how deep rooted Bruce Lee is in African American culture and hip-hop/R'n'B
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2020 7:58:21 GMT -5
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Post by XIII on Sept 14, 2020 10:23:01 GMT -5
No one really know how good that Bruce was in a real fight setting, but he was obviously a trained kung fu fighter that studied various branches of martial arts. Floyd is obviously one of the best boxers of all time. So it’s hard to say really. If Bruce could keep him ay bay with kicks he could win, but if not Floyd punches him out.
Regardless, Bruce Lee is one of the more important entertainers of all time.
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Post by Pooh Carlson on Sept 14, 2020 11:05:37 GMT -5
I say this with a less than elementary knowledge of boxing, MMA, Bruce Lee or Floyd Mayweather. In a boxing match, Mayweather. In an MMA fight, I'd lean toward Lee.
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Post by Dub H on Sept 14, 2020 12:39:05 GMT -5
Just watched a documentary covering this very topic with many talking heads from sports, academics and entertainment (Dana White, Mickey Rourke, Kobe Bryant, Manny Pacquiao and assorted musicians, philosophers and MMA fighters) and his family, friends and peers/associates. - Gene La Belle states Bruce was a very athletic man but couldn't tell if Bruce was a worker working the workers and the audience, or if he was very, very good at fighting, and was legit. - I was surprised to discover his famous philosophies were sometimes actually paraphrased lines his characters spoke in bit roles, and scripted by someone else. "Be like water, my friend " as an example. - He studied the martial arts but there is legit arguments that he wasn't a pioneer of the MMA philosophy. - He was against sporting rules, so his fight philosophy was to quickly end a threat, not win points. - they bounced around Brock Lesnar vs Bruce Lee and said pound for pound Bruce was the best, but none of that would work on the Beast. No one denied he was a force of nature and his influence is far reaching. It was fascinating to discover how deep rooted Bruce Lee is in African American culture and hip-hop/R'n'B People say that yeh Bruce wasnt a regular competitor and how much of his life is a work.But all his martial studies are legit.That alone can give you a good sense. Mayweather knowa boxing insidr and out ,as you pointed out about points ,Mayweather once won a fight by hugging ,he knows all the tricks of the competition.That wont help him when Bruce pulls something that Boxers have no training at all. Also yeah Lesnar would murder Lee. It would be a fun exhebition but geneticis freaks are genetics freaks.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Sept 14, 2020 12:59:47 GMT -5
But how would any of them do against the greatest martual artist in the world, Antonio Inoki?
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