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Post by eJm on Jun 20, 2020 18:53:37 GMT -5
If you think victims of this sort of thing get famous from telling their stories, I want you to name three people who’ve gotten famous from it and what they’re doing now because of that.
Because I guarantee you, nobody is hosting a talk show, starring in a Marvel movie or had a chart topping hit because they told the world about something horrendous that happened to them.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jun 20, 2020 19:00:28 GMT -5
If you think victims of this sort of thing get famous from telling their stories, I want you to name three people who’ve gotten famous from it and what they’re doing now because of that. Because I guarantee you, nobody is hosting a talk show, starring in a Marvel movie or had a chart topping hit because they told the world about something horrendous that happened to them. Right. If anything, coming forward kills careers.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Jun 20, 2020 19:02:28 GMT -5
Even if it wasn't their intent to out Riddle, they outted Riddle. Shitty thing to do to someone no matter what they're accused of. It seems like they did it to show that they can verify that Riddle is an abusive partner.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 20, 2020 19:05:12 GMT -5
If you think victims of this sort of thing get famous from telling their stories, I want you to name three people who’ve gotten famous from it and what they’re doing now because of that. Because I guarantee you, nobody is hosting a talk show, starring in a Marvel movie or had a chart topping hit because they told the world about something horrendous that happened to them. Yea, no one really gets famous, at least the people looking for legit justice Is there people out there who will make claims and try to f*** people life up? Of course. Should that be your first thought? No. You take all the info and let the process play out
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Post by honsou on Jun 20, 2020 19:18:51 GMT -5
This is sort of off topic but its the only wrestling related way to explain why victims wouldn't call the the police
Buddy Rose's first wife did a podcast within the past few years where she talked about the brutal physical abuse she experienced. One time she actually did call the police after one of his savage beatings.
When the police arrived they asked for his autograph and left.
That's why victims don't call the police
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Post by 3cheers4ramirez on Jun 20, 2020 19:51:59 GMT -5
Even if it wasn't their intent to out Riddle, they outted Riddle. Shitty thing to do to someone no matter what they're accused of. It seems like they did it to show that they can verify that Riddle is an abusive partner. I get what they were going for, I just don't think it was helpful. There's nothing abusive in any of the messages they posted, so in effect it is outing him for nothing.
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Post by Legion on Jun 21, 2020 8:39:13 GMT -5
Well.
This was something I didnt expect to see.
If the guy's a rapist, I dont want to feel sorry for him for being outed, yet here we are.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jun 21, 2020 8:46:11 GMT -5
If you think victims of this sort of thing get famous from telling their stories, I want you to name three people who’ve gotten famous from it and what they’re doing now because of that. Because I guarantee you, nobody is hosting a talk show, starring in a Marvel movie or had a chart topping hit because they told the world about something horrendous that happened to them. True but there are people out there that do make stories because they think that they think the media attention will get them more exposure and make them famous. Now the number of people that do that are far less than the people who actually have dealt with abuse, but unfortunately they're are enough cases of that where it scares victims from coming out.
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Post by eJm on Jun 21, 2020 9:04:38 GMT -5
If you think victims of this sort of thing get famous from telling their stories, I want you to name three people who’ve gotten famous from it and what they’re doing now because of that. Because I guarantee you, nobody is hosting a talk show, starring in a Marvel movie or had a chart topping hit because they told the world about something horrendous that happened to them. True but there are people out there that do make stories because they think that they think the media attention will get them more exposure and make them famous. Now the number of people that do that are far less than the people who actually have dealt with abuse, but unfortunately they're are enough cases of that where it scares victims from coming out. I mean, not being funny but I asked people to name names and I don't really see names there. Just a lot of assumptions.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jun 21, 2020 9:12:39 GMT -5
True but there are people out there that do make stories because they think that they think the media attention will get them more exposure and make them famous. Now the number of people that do that are far less than the people who actually have dealt with abuse, but unfortunately they're are enough cases of that where it scares victims from coming out. I mean, not being funny but I asked people to name names and I don't really see names there. Just a lot of assumptions. Oh I don't get me wrong. I am not trying to disagree with you, but there are situations like the former football player Brian Banks and the Duke Lacrosse scandal where lies were told. I do think that the total cases are very minute in the grand scheme of things. But they are there.
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Post by eJm on Jun 21, 2020 9:14:45 GMT -5
I mean, not being funny but I asked people to name names and I don't really see names there. Just a lot of assumptions. Oh I don't get me wrong. I am not trying to disagree with you, but there are situations like the former football player Brian Banks and the Duke Lacrosse scandal where lies were told. I do think that the total cases are very minute in the grand scheme of things. But they are there. But there are more factors where that doesn't matter as much and other stuff like how we deal with accusations in the media and how our police forces deal with accusations is so against the people speaking out that of course people aren't going to be able to say it out loud. Which is why, for those who are saying "Why not go through the proper channels?", the proper channels are a main reason this whole thing is happening in the first place.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jun 21, 2020 9:20:08 GMT -5
Oh I don't get me wrong. I am not trying to disagree with you, but there are situations like the former football player Brian Banks and the Duke Lacrosse scandal where lies were told. I do think that the total cases are very minute in the grand scheme of things. But they are there. But there are more factors where that doesn't matter as much and other stuff like how we deal with accusations in the media and how our police forces deal with accusations is so against the people speaking out that of course people aren't going to be able to say it out loud. Which is why, for those who are saying "Why not go through the proper channels?", the proper channels are a main reason this whole thing is happening in the first place. Ah I misunderstood your original post my bad. I was just trying to show why people don't come out because of the ridicule the will get and some of that is because of the notion of trying to get famous. I apologize
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Jun 21, 2020 10:08:45 GMT -5
Prove the other incident happened. There were 6 people inside this car and an awake driver. Show a text from the following year where you talked to a friend about Matt being a dirtbag. Explain why Matt and his wife have a legal history of you doing crazy things to their family. When you have a history of doing things to mess with this said family, you don't just get to throw accusations around. Nearly every other accuser has shown evidence. It what should be the easiest case to prove, she can't show a damn thing and has history of stalking Matt's family, which Matt can legally show. Exactly. Why didn't she go to the police after it happened, when she would have had fresh bruises on her neck instead of waiting 2 years to say that it happened? It's also convenient that she chose to bring this out the night before he was set to make his main roster debut. I'm making no judgement on whether it happened or not with this post, but In mine and a lot of my friends' experiences, Police are absolutely useless in cases of abuse or rape. In most cities in america there are thousands and thousands of untested rape kits in their backlog, so even with actual evidence nothing might happen, and then even if it goes to a trial there's always gonna be some lawyer arguing that because she's had sex before and because she wasn't wearing clothes that covered every inch of skin she's a whore who asked for it. And that's not just an America problem. As for bruises, I have a friend who I talked through going to the police after her boyfriend stepped on her chest so hard she broke her ribs. She had bruises all over her. Police didn't even press charges until after he'd decided to try and break into MY house while she was there and made enough noise that the Police were round in 5 minutes.
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Post by Cyno on Jun 21, 2020 13:22:52 GMT -5
I know making fun of Law&Order SVU is a thing, but in that episode where the detectives went to different cities' police departments to track a serial rapist only to find massive piles of untested and deteriorating rape kits dating back over decades? That's a very accurate "ripped from the headlines" plot point. The 12 is almost useless for sexual assault.
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Post by FinalGwen on Jun 21, 2020 13:48:51 GMT -5
It's also convenient that she chose to bring this out the night before he was set to make his main roster debut. Yeah, that's the only explanation of why she spoke out now. It's not like there was, say, some kind of mass movement happening over the last few days for people in the wrestling business to be able to tell their stories of the abuse they've faced.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 11:14:26 GMT -5
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Post by fw91 on Jul 8, 2020 11:31:26 GMT -5
Well, I don't know what side is the truth, but I think it really is important to remember that there are always more than one side to a story.
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Post by eJm on Jul 8, 2020 11:40:07 GMT -5
Wearing a SPLX cap on your “apology” statement is pretty much the Twitter equivalent of having ads on your YouTube statement. Like, Jesus, man...
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jul 8, 2020 11:51:21 GMT -5
It's tough, but I'm inclined to believe he's telling the truth
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jul 8, 2020 11:53:09 GMT -5
It's tough, but I'm inclined to believe he's telling the truth Same. It’s not a great situation, but this doesn’t seem as clear-cut as the other issues. Maybe it’ll turn out to be wrong, but I tend to believe him. I also tend to think some wrestling marriages are more open than others because they’re always on the road, etc. etc.
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