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Post by corndog on Jul 9, 2020 9:32:37 GMT -5
The passing of time did worse for ECW than nostalgia ever could. Seeing its lasting consequences, greater awareness of how much of a sleazef*** Heyman was, knowing people were out there destroying themselves for someone who was sucking the life out of them for his own gain and left them hung out to dry. There's things that hold up, thre's things that were cool, but as a total package it's hard not to look back on a lot of it and feel dirty. This more than anything. The TNA reunion show was pretty terrible, but that was more TNA just being garbage than anything. Knowing how many wrestlers would die and completely ruin their bodies/lives and Heyman being a complete sleazeball taints the history more than anything. But I am not going to lie and say I didn't think it was the coolest thing when I was in middle school watching late night on Sportschannel Chicago in the mid 90s. It also didn't need to be quite so stupid in the hardcore department, what made ECW cool was the edgier characters/promos, underground style production and using modern relevant music.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jul 9, 2020 9:49:11 GMT -5
In 2005 and 2006 these guys were in the latter days of their prime still.
By 2010... look at them.
The shows stopped being good, even in an ECW way. And it was too obvious why that was.
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Post by Viking Hall on Jul 9, 2020 10:30:31 GMT -5
While ECW hasn't aged that well on the whole they can still boast some of the best matches on North American soil of the 1990s, so they definitely still deserve a lot of the plaudits that have come their way through the years. That narrative that all the ECW regulars are now dead is also wildly inaccurate. Without crunching the numbers, I would imagine that their survival rate far outweighs the WWF's over the same period by some margin.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 9, 2020 11:00:28 GMT -5
While ECW hasn't aged that well on the whole they can still boast some of the best matches on North American soil of the 1990s, so they definitely still deserve a lot of the plaudits that have come their way through the years. That narrative that all the ECW regulars are now dead is also wildly inaccurate. Without crunching the numbers, I would imagine that their survival rate far outweighs the WWF's over the same period by some margin. WWF/E is 2-3x the size of ECW For example, if 15 of my 50 wrestlers are dead compared to your 15 of 150 that's not the same
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Post by Viking Hall on Jul 9, 2020 11:55:36 GMT -5
While ECW hasn't aged that well on the whole they can still boast some of the best matches on North American soil of the 1990s, so they definitely still deserve a lot of the plaudits that have come their way through the years. That narrative that all the ECW regulars are now dead is also wildly inaccurate. Without crunching the numbers, I would imagine that their survival rate far outweighs the WWF's over the same period by some margin. WWF/E is 2-3x the size of ECW For example, if 15 of my 50 wrestlers are dead compared to your 15 of 150 that's not the same In terms of the size of the company, certainly. They're more than comparable in terms of number of wrestlers who worked for them in that period though (excluding enhancement talent, obviously).
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Post by An Dog On An Skateboard on Jul 9, 2020 12:49:41 GMT -5
While ECW hasn't aged that well on the whole they can still boast some of the best matches on North American soil of the 1990s, so they definitely still deserve a lot of the plaudits that have come their way through the years. That narrative that all the ECW regulars are now dead is also wildly inaccurate. Without crunching the numbers, I would imagine that their survival rate far outweighs the WWF's over the same period by some margin. The other thing is that most of those ECW regulars worked in other places, and the things that caused their premature deaths existed in those other promotions. ECW has this notoriety that's made it very easy shorthand for the excesses of wrestling in the nineties, as if drugs weren't being abused in the big two, Smoky Mountain, Global, the USWA, or whichever independent promotions these wrestlers passed through during that period.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 12:56:33 GMT -5
Personally I am an ECW fan. But I can also say alot of the stuff does not hold up over time.As for every RVD vs jerry lynn or Dean and Eddie Match theres a Hack Myers or a Mikey whipwreck vs Fidel Sierra match. With that being said I think ECW still had alot of good that helped them stand out in 1995 1996. When the big two product was terrible.Because of this i think some fans may watch ECW with rose colored glasses or because it gives them nostalgia. I think the attitude era hurt ECW to be honest. I still think the first ONS was good closure and should of been left at that.and by 2010 Tna pushing their company aside to promote guys from 10 or 11 years earlier when TNA had an amazing roster was silly. Yeah, my philosophy on ECW is this: until AEW, it was my all time favorite promotion. However, as time goes on, there is less and less of it that I would want to rewatch. It's very much a product of its time. And I'm not saying that's a bad thing. It's just that 39 year old me would rather watch RVD vs Jerry Lynn, whereas 15 year old me wanted to see the Tai Pei Deathmatch and Kimona Wanalayas striptease.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Jul 9, 2020 12:57:16 GMT -5
Never disliked ECW because of them but I roll my eyes at the thoughts of ECW reunion shows or seeing a match with the guys when knowing they can't wrestle anymore and is sad to watch them try. I remember a year or 2 ago there was a Justin Credible vs. Shane Douglas. It was embarassing. Seeing Justin Credible wrestling is sad when you have a guy who once was in good shot have a huge beer gut and a 5 O'clock shadow skullet. Plus Shane hasn't been able to go since 2003 and that is pushing it. Add more than ten years to that. I get Credible had issues but damn.
Remember seeing New Jack, Sandman, and Credible Team together and that was a nightmare. None of them could barely move. Sandman look like it hurts for him to walk because he was limping so bad. Like he hip was blown.
Most of the guys just can't work. RVD some what can, Rhino to but Rhino was also younger and came in at the last years of ECW. Most just sad to watch.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 14:01:17 GMT -5
Never disliked ECW because of them but I roll my eyes at the thoughts of ECW reunion shows or seeing a match with the guys when knowing they can't wrestle anymore and is sad to watch them try. I remember a year or 2 ago there was a Justin Credible vs. Shane Douglas. It was embarassing. Seeing Justin Credible wrestling is sad when you have a guy who once was in good shot have a huge beer gut and a 5 O'clock shadow skullet. Plus Shane hasn't been able to go since 2003 and that is pushing it. Add more than ten years to that. I get Credible had issues but damn. Remember seeing New Jack, Sandman, and Credible Team together and that was a nightmare. None of them could barely move. Sandman look like it hurts for him to walk because he was limping so bad. Like he hip was blown. Most of the guys just can't work. RVD some what can, Rhino to but Rhino was also younger and came in at the last years of ECW. Most just sad to watch. If the match sucked by all means trash it, but 5'oclock skillets are stylish for bald dudes.
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Post by Mecca on Jul 9, 2020 14:35:27 GMT -5
ECW was everything the 90s were about, if you watch it now it seems weird because times are different. As someone who was a teen in the 90s products like that were fun to watch.
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Post by chrom on Jul 9, 2020 16:47:39 GMT -5
That and the romanticism of it done by Heyman, Dreamer and Joey
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jul 10, 2020 7:04:48 GMT -5
ECW was everything the 90s were about, if you watch it now it seems weird because times are different. As someone who was a teen in the 90s products like that were fun to watch. Wayne's World. It's the wrestling promotion version of Wayne's World.
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Jul 10, 2020 16:23:01 GMT -5
They didn't make me dislike it, but it's very hard to be nostalgic for something that won't f***ing go away.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 18:15:36 GMT -5
It was a product of it’s time. Like a lot of things from the late 90s South Park, Jerry Springer, Howard Stern, and rap metal, it was loud, vulgar and innovative. It doesn’t mean it’s aged all that well.
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