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Post by prettynami on Jul 17, 2020 23:26:16 GMT -5
My opinion on Naomi is pretty much as follows: Servicable in most facets - good look, decent promotional skills, isn't a detramint in the wring (most of the time - lately she looks like she is wrestling in a jar of molasses), seems nice enough outside of the ring. However, the tier of women on the roster who are above her pretty much beat her in multiple ways, if not every way. A few years ago she might have had something, but perhaps the chances are gone.
She's like a 6 shooter that the WWE has chosen to empty into the ground than even bother firing at the target - and her last cartridge has probably been spent. She had a few interesting feuds/storylines that were gaining traction they blew (at least from a benefit to Naomi perspective), when she garnered interest from Total Divas as one of the more likable people on the show they didn't do anything with her, and when she changed her look in pretty neat ways (the first glow and the cool robot helmet/real over the top stuff a bit later) and people were talking they also didn't do anything. To me she sorta has the "Dolph Ziggler" feel now, like she is a perpetual "almost was" loser. I'd say she needs a change of scenery by leaving the WWE but I honestly don't know if she has any interest in wrestling outside of the WWE and she is anchored to it pretty hard with being married to another member of the roster and all. This hashtag feels like too little too late for her, she literally has nothing of interest going on around her to warrant it.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Jul 17, 2020 23:44:35 GMT -5
Naomi is solid and is incredibly marketable. Much like dozens of people, she could be used much better.
She seems to get a lot of flack online that I’ve never understood. She doesn’t set the world one fire but they’ve much more with much worse.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2020 0:11:05 GMT -5
She seems like a really nice person, but I've honestly never felt strongly about Naomi one way or the other. So either way, whether she's used more or not, I'm fine.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 18, 2020 0:38:03 GMT -5
The entire undercard of the division deserves better than what they're being given, as for Naomi deserving better, at least she's been a world champion, which I can't say many girls on the roster have even sniffed.
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Post by dbrussel on Jul 18, 2020 1:41:54 GMT -5
Lacey is awful. Anyone losing to her deserves better.
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Post by thehottag on Jul 18, 2020 1:56:30 GMT -5
I don't like this false dichotomy of "you're either the top star/champ or you're nothing". Like, it's perfectly possible to write a halfway decent feud & character for Naomi as well (especially as they have, what, 5 hours of programming every week? 7 if you include NXT!)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2020 2:11:06 GMT -5
Ugh, no thanks.
Naomi is probably my least favorite woman on the roster.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jul 18, 2020 6:14:44 GMT -5
We wouldn’t be having these kinds of threads for the women’s division if they had a solid singles midcard belt, I feel.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jul 18, 2020 6:21:22 GMT -5
We wouldn’t be having these kinds of threads for the women’s division if they had a solid singles midcard belt, I feel. I'd agree, but I'm about 85% sure the belt would be monopolized by whichever of the 4 Horsewomen didn't already have a title As for Naomi: She's a very solid hand, but she's got a lot of women on the roster that are simply better than she is
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jul 18, 2020 6:28:31 GMT -5
I don't like this false dichotomy of "you're either the top star/champ or you're nothing". Like, it's perfectly possible to write a halfway decent feud & character for Naomi as well (especially as they have, what, 5 hours of programming every week? 7 if you include NXT!) I think a lot of people here are forgetting that the context of which the hashtag came about was her returning to WWE through a karaoke contest last week, and a really bad finish on the show tonight. Even if you aren't that big on Naomi, they can certainly do better than this. By the way, it's still trending hours later, so essentially this is another #GiveDivasAChance movement.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 18, 2020 6:33:02 GMT -5
I don't like this false dichotomy of "you're either the top star/champ or you're nothing". Like, it's perfectly possible to write a halfway decent feud & character for Naomi as well (especially as they have, what, 5 hours of programming every week? 7 if you include NXT!) I think a lot of people here are forgetting that the context of which the hashtag came about was her returning to WWE through a karaoke contest last week, and a really bad finish on the show tonight. Even if you aren't that big on Naomi, they can certainly do better than this. By the way, it's still trending hours later, so essentially this is another #GiveDivasAChance movement. Yeah, that's pretty much what this is. Like, look, outside of an R-Truth or a character designed for comedy, could you imagine someone they considered some kind of a name in their respective division returning in a karaoke contest? They're not going to return Kevin Owens back in that manner so why do that for someone like Naomi?
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 18, 2020 6:35:10 GMT -5
Naomi is one of the shining examples of, "If you DID anything with the singles or tag division outside of "challenger" and "champion", this wouldn't be an issue."
She had her title run, and I am fine with if she doesn't win it again, but she should get on TV more often than hardly ever. Same goes for Carmella and a lot of the other women, for that matter.
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Post by RI Richmark on Jul 18, 2020 6:39:50 GMT -5
Naomi's been my favorite since she first appeared in NXT. She blew everyone else away that season and that includes AJ Lee. So hell yeah she deserves better! I'm not saying that she has to be the face of the division or anything. I'd just like to see her used more and give her more wins. I think a lot of people here are forgetting that the context of which the hashtag came about was her returning to WWE through a karaoke contest last week, and a really bad finish on the show tonight. Even if you aren't that big on Naomi, they can certainly do better than this. By the way, it's still trending hours later, so essentially this is another #GiveDivasAChance movement. I hope so.
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Post by crowley1986 on Jul 18, 2020 6:47:15 GMT -5
What's her character....doing a glow in the dark entrance really isnt a character/personality
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Post by crowley1986 on Jul 18, 2020 6:57:48 GMT -5
Naomi is one of the shining examples of, "If you DID anything with the singles or tag division outside of "challenger" and "champion", this wouldn't be an issue." She had her title run, and I am fine with if she doesn't win it again, but she should get on TV more often than hardly ever. Same goes for Carmella and a lot of the other women, for that matter. i think there needs to be one unified roster for the women, instead of 2, run it like the original nxt in full sail, have one main title, one mid card and tag team, with 20-30 women and have lower card/non title feuds....
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Post by msc on Jul 18, 2020 7:03:55 GMT -5
Naomi's existence in wrestling speaks highly to a demographic I am not (primarily young, women, American, non-white, but not limited to that) but I get that that exists. We're also in a period of time where crap decisions made with her (returning in the karaoke session, losing to a dull retconned blonde heel) are treated far less sympathetically by society than they might been before. Which is completely understandable, especially in wrestling. Hell, we still bring up one example of bad booking here as one of the most egregious moments in 21st Century WWE (WrestleMania 19).
However, if I can skip to another point before deep sixing the entire thread, it's fine to be fans of folk who aren't the next big thing or destined for immediate title success. When I was a kid I really enjoyed The Brood, Steve Blackman, The Mean Street Posse, self-aware Mideon, the Acolytes, and many others who were quite low down the card. And yet, even though they weren't in danger of big pushes, they were still given enough to do on the show to make you look forward to their antics. Whereas nowadays, there's a core of 14 who show up every week and the rest are MIA or wandering aimlessly for years at a time.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jul 18, 2020 7:05:03 GMT -5
Naomi is one of the shining examples of, "If you DID anything with the singles or tag division outside of "challenger" and "champion", this wouldn't be an issue." She had her title run, and I am fine with if she doesn't win it again, but she should get on TV more often than hardly ever. Same goes for Carmella and a lot of the other women, for that matter. i think there needs to be one unified roster for the women, instead of 2, run it like the original nxt in full sail, have one main title, one mid card and tag team, with 20-30 women and have lower card/non title feuds.... I don’t think WWE could be trusted to do an all-women brand without it ending up being seen as lesser than the brands that already exist.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2020 7:07:41 GMT -5
Naomi is one of the shining examples of, "If you DID anything with the singles or tag division outside of "challenger" and "champion", this wouldn't be an issue." She had her title run, and I am fine with if she doesn't win it again, but she should get on TV more often than hardly ever. Same goes for Carmella and a lot of the other women, for that matter. i think there needs to be one unified roster for the women, instead of 2, run it like the original nxt in full sail, have one main title, one mid card and tag team, with 20-30 women and have lower card/non title feuds.... Absolutely this. I can't believe why they want to willingly book just four gals against each other in each brand. Everyone looks like just weaker. Women could easily main event every other PPV if WWE did this.
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Post by crowley1986 on Jul 18, 2020 7:10:09 GMT -5
i think there needs to be one unified roster for the women, instead of 2, run it like the original nxt in full sail, have one main title, one mid card and tag team, with 20-30 women and have lower card/non title feuds.... Absolutely this. I can't believe why they want to willingly book just four gals against each other in each brand. Everyone looks like just weaker. Women could easily main event every other PPV if WWE did this. give them the first or last hour of raw (preferably first) and let them roll...
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 18, 2020 7:10:52 GMT -5
i think there needs to be one unified roster for the women, instead of 2, run it like the original nxt in full sail, have one main title, one mid card and tag team, with 20-30 women and have lower card/non title feuds.... I don’t think WWE could be trusted to do an all-women brand without it ending up being seen as lesser than the brands that already exist. Basically, 205 Live showed WWE can't be trusted to capitalize off of something that they did that was moderately successful anymore. The difference between 205 when it started and the Cruiserweight Classic might as well be the difference between Mercury and Neptune.
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