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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 18, 2020 7:11:47 GMT -5
Absolutely this. I can't believe why they want to willingly book just four gals against each other in each brand. Everyone looks like just weaker. Women could easily main event every other PPV if WWE did this. give them the first or last hour of raw (preferably first) and let them roll... And how long do you think they'd keep that for? A week? Two? Any kind of dip and it's in the trash heap with the other ideas.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2020 7:15:09 GMT -5
I'd not give women their own show, just mix all women from each brand into one well oiled machine. Not everyone has to be there live all the time in each show. Fans will get used to the idea. If not, they will, when they see how much better the product is. Same thing with tag division.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jul 18, 2020 7:28:29 GMT -5
Just... You know, the whole structure of the top shows need to be changed, because in the current state you can’t give EVERY SINGLE TALENT a storyline when the expectation seems to be that it has to develop every single week for it to matter. You don’t NEED to see the same talents week after week. Like, NXT seems to do all right juggling as much as they do without the expectation that you get a MASSIVE development in every storyline every week, because they cycle the talents around for the most part (depending on how badly they want to try and win the TV rating each week).
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jul 18, 2020 7:43:55 GMT -5
Just... You know, the whole structure of the top shows need to be changed, because in the current state you can’t give EVERY SINGLE TALENT a storyline when the expectation seems to be that it has to develop every single week for it to matter. You don’t NEED to see the same talents week after week. Like, NXT seems to do all right juggling as much as they do without the expectation that you get a MASSIVE development in every storyline every week, because they cycle the talents around for the most part (depending on how badly they want to try and win the TV rating each week). I know I constantly beat this drum, but bringing back consistent jobber squashes would dramatically help the entire roster across all genders. It was particularly enhancement talent that boosted many old school midcarders like Bossman and Jake Roberts. Because it was formatted around making the talent look good and not “throw out a bunch of marquee matches all the time to spike ratings” the midcarders weren’t counting the lights on every other show. This would be such an easy and foolproof solution and I’m confused as to why they haven’t realized this.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jul 18, 2020 8:12:22 GMT -5
I've mentioned before but I think it would be a good idea to have tiers of women's titles. Women's world and women's IC/US. It would allow lower-card women to hold a mid-card title to gain experience and get screen time before main event level, same as the men's. Not every woman is world title level but plenty could do good things with a lower-level title. Carmella would have been a perfect example.
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Post by Kalmia on Jul 18, 2020 9:08:10 GMT -5
I feel that both the women's and tag divisions would benefit from better structure. The tag division is too thin for two separate belts, and I think the women's would benefit from one top title, one midcard title and one set of tag titles.
To book the divisions right would require the WWE to learn how to book good angles that don't involve the belts though, and they suck at that with the women and tag teams.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2020 10:41:23 GMT -5
Everything about Naomi is average at best....apart from her entrance which she seems to put her absoloute most effort into and it shows.
She is the same as she has always been an average talent that can fight for the title but you do not put it on her because you have a slew of much better women.
She is finely suited for the womens tag division let her do things with that.
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Post by glorious83 on Jul 18, 2020 11:24:53 GMT -5
There are other talents who deserve better than Naomi. She’s had her chance to shine even though she’s way overrated. Talent like Ember Rose deserve better. I know she’s out at the moment but Ember is a way better talent than the overrated glow stick and should be given a chance if she ever returns.
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Post by chazraps on Jul 18, 2020 11:34:38 GMT -5
Naomi is great. Her Royal Rumble appearance was the most viral anything WWE has done in a long time. Even on a night that heavily featured Brock Lesnar and a returning Edge, Naomi's Rumble appearance where she didn't miss a step seemed to be the most buzzed about appearance for new/lapse viewers by a significant margin. This board has never been high on her for whatever reason, but the social media numbers do not lie. Tweets like this about the clip was just the type of attention WWE should be aiming for: twitter.com/MahiaSinn/status/1222181992005095424?s=20After that moment, they did nothing with her. For someone as talented, consistent and engaging as she is, Naomi definitely deserves better.
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Post by The Gallus Mark on Jul 18, 2020 11:58:24 GMT -5
Nah.
She’s fine, but I’ve never been impressed with her outside of the glow entrance. I think she would excel in a tag team who occasionally loses to top title contenders.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Jul 18, 2020 13:35:52 GMT -5
We wouldn’t be having these kinds of threads for the women’s division if they had a solid singles midcard belt, I feel. I'd agree, but I'm about 85% sure the belt would be monopolized by whichever of the 4 Horsewomen didn't already have a title Damn. You might have a point there. I've wanted WWE to pick up a second-tier women's championship in forever, but I'm sure WWE wouldn't be able to help themselves from getting at least one shot of the Horsewomen with all of the gold.
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Post by Totorob101 on Jul 18, 2020 13:45:37 GMT -5
Really like Naomi and she does deserve better though many of the female talent do. Naomi is a natural babyface (one of the most likeable people on the roster in my book) and skilledin ring, she would be ideal for a midcard title or part of a tag team.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jul 18, 2020 14:19:03 GMT -5
Naomi is a frustrating case for me. She's super athletic, but her matches are pointless spotfests where her opponents do all of the actual wrestling. Kinda like RVD back in the day.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jul 18, 2020 14:23:05 GMT -5
Just... You know, the whole structure of the top shows need to be changed, because in the current state you can’t give EVERY SINGLE TALENT a storyline when the expectation seems to be that it has to develop every single week for it to matter. You don’t NEED to see the same talents week after week. Like, NXT seems to do all right juggling as much as they do without the expectation that you get a MASSIVE development in every storyline every week, because they cycle the talents around for the most part (depending on how badly they want to try and win the TV rating each week). I think a big problem with the shows is that they feel the need to have EVERY major player show up EVERY show... (and in some cases multiple shows a week like Bayley and Sasha) You can have weeks were like the World Champ isn't around.... and still move the story forward... have the challenger in action or have the Challenger cut a promo... etc.
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Post by lucas_lee on Jul 18, 2020 14:39:40 GMT -5
Just... You know, the whole structure of the top shows need to be changed, because in the current state you can’t give EVERY SINGLE TALENT a storyline when the expectation seems to be that it has to develop every single week for it to matter. You don’t NEED to see the same talents week after week. Like, NXT seems to do all right juggling as much as they do without the expectation that you get a MASSIVE development in every storyline every week, because they cycle the talents around for the most part (depending on how badly they want to try and win the TV rating each week). I know I constantly beat this drum, but bringing back consistent jobber squashes would dramatically help the entire roster across all genders. It was particularly enhancement talent that boosted many old school midcarders like Bossman and Jake Roberts. Because it was formatted around making the talent look good and not “throw out a bunch of marquee matches all the time to spike ratings” the midcarders weren’t counting the lights on every other show. This would be such an easy and foolproof solution and I’m confused as to why they haven’t realized this. After a while it gets old. Nothing but squash matches gets boring after a while
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Jul 18, 2020 14:42:28 GMT -5
Honestly I think Naomi is being used about right. She's fine but she's really not that good and Bianca Belair (who is really somebody they should be doing more with) getting called up has made her expendable as she's better then Naomi in every way and is a better option if they want more diversity in the main event scene.
With Naomi it's simply a case where she had her run and now they're using her to put newer girls over. She's actually the one stale veteran that they're actually getting it right with right now. That's how wrestling's supposed to work. At least Naomi got title runs and has been at least fairly prominent for the majority of her run. I think there's several other women who are higher on the list as far people who I think they should be doing more. Off the top of my head Lacey, Bianca, Mandy, Sonya, and Liv are newer younger and fresher and just as good or better then Naomi imo. I feel more bad for those girls as unlike Naomi it looks they might not ever get a title reign due to their obsession with them pushing the same five women all the time.
Even though she's going over Naomi right now I think Lacey has been screwed the most by the 4HW obsession booking. I mean yeah she wasn't ready when she was feuding with Becky but her going over Bayley earlier in the year and becoming the face of Smackdown seemed like such a no brainer. Instead they didn't pull the trigger due to their obsession with this stupid never ending Bayley/Sasha storyline and was so dead in the water that they've now turned her back heel which is just such a waste of someone who could've been a big star imo.
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Post by Raw is Doodie101 on Jul 18, 2020 15:11:41 GMT -5
Honestly I think Naomi is being used about right. She's fine but she's really not that good and Bianca Belair (who is really somebody they should be doing more with) getting called up has made her expendable as she's better then Naomi in every way and is a better option if they want more diversity in the main event scene. With Naomi it's simply a case where she had her run and now they're using her to put newer girls over. She's actually the one stale veteran that they're actually getting it right with right now. That's how wrestling's supposed to work. At least Naomi got title runs and has been at least fairly prominent for the majority of her run. I think there's several other women who are higher on the list as far people who I think they should be doing more. Off the top of my head Lacey, Bianca, Mandy, Sonya, and Liv are newer younger and fresher and just as good or better then Naomi imo. I feel more bad for those girls as unlike Naomi it looks they might not ever get a title reign due to their obsession with them pushing the same five women all the time. Even though she's going over Naomi right now I think Lacey has been screwed the most by the 4HW obsession booking. I mean yeah she wasn't ready when she was feuding with Becky but her going over Bayley earlier in the year and becoming the face of Smackdown seemed like such a no brainer. Instead they didn't pull the trigger due to their obsession with this stupid never ending Bayley/Sasha storyline and was so dead in the water that they've now turned her back heel which is just such a waste of someone who could've been a big star imo. You know there can be more than 1-2 black wrestlers at once right?
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Post by Rican on Jul 18, 2020 15:27:49 GMT -5
Naomi is great. Her Royal Rumble appearance was the most viral anything WWE has done in a long time. Even on a night that heavily featured Brock Lesnar and a returning Edge, Naomi's Rumble appearance where she didn't miss a step seemed to be the most buzzed about appearance for new/lapse viewers by a significant margin. This board has never been high on her for whatever reason, but the social media numbers do not lie. Tweets like this about the clip was just the type of attention WWE should be aiming for: After that moment, they did nothing with her. For someone as talented, consistent and engaging as she is, Naomi definitely deserves better. Exactly this. She’s great, she’s always over, and she’s very marketable. They should have had her go over Bayley at Wrestlemania and I say that as a huge Bayley fan loving her current run.
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Post by Celexa Bliss 54 on Jul 18, 2020 15:31:54 GMT -5
TBH, most of the division deserves better, not just Naomi. I just watched the segment and that did nobody any favors. Is it so hard to come up with actual angles for everyone, that they have to resort to lame competition segments?
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Post by mistery on Jul 18, 2020 16:17:18 GMT -5
The issue just isn't Naomi. It's the main roster division at large. Unless you are a horsewoman, you aren't going to be treated very well. Hell, Asuka for being the RAW champ certainly doesn't feel like it since she has pretty much lost all of her non-title matches since becoming champion. Where Sasha, Bayley, Charlotte, and Becky win almost all of their matches, non-title or not. And the times they do lose, its almost always a protected loss.
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