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Post by koreycaskets on Jul 30, 2020 17:20:27 GMT -5
I always thought they should have merged the Wyatts with Sanity as a big faction on the main roster. Have Young and Bray play the power struggle over who the leader was.
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Post by Instant Classic on Jul 30, 2020 19:39:23 GMT -5
This was the match that I thought was when Sanity was dead in the water. Remember during Miz and Shane McMahons feud they were made to look like shit to The Miz.....The F**king Miz of all people. He is not a Stone Cold Steve Austin against D-X and putting them in bear traps or other things but they made it seem like that. Now who in their right mind would EVER believe that The Miz could beat up 3 people in almost an Austin style beatdown? The Marine character came to life that night.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jul 30, 2020 20:04:59 GMT -5
Frankly, a guy like Young didn't need to be top tier, and I think he'd have been perfectly fine not being near the top of the card.
But the hope is that these people who get signed, go to NXT, and then go to the main roster just get, y'know...used. Well, used in a way that's entertaining and fulfilling for fans, but for some of them they might as well just not be there at all given the way they're booked. Just way too many cases of call ups who end up feeling like they're given nothing, and others who are put in weird as hell but usually directionless routines, ala what happened with Sami Zayn.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jul 30, 2020 20:14:50 GMT -5
I agree with the sentiment that Eric Young should’ve been given comedy to do.
Serious “crazy guy” Eric Young sucked in TNA and sucked in WWE
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Post by Indiana Miz on Jul 30, 2020 21:02:52 GMT -5
I always thought they should have merged the Wyatts with Sanity as a big faction on the main roster. Have Young and Bray play the power struggle over who the leader was. I was hoping the one time they teamed together would lead to something bigger. ![https://i.ytimg.com/vi/XZBiesoHcZk/maxresdefault.jpg](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/XZBiesoHcZk/maxresdefault.jpg)
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on Jul 30, 2020 21:08:24 GMT -5
Hell, him and Truth could been a good tag team or just foils to each other Man, I didn't know I wanted an EY/R-Truth tag team until just now. That's an awesome idea. *throws money at computer screen*
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Post by Fake Jesus on Jul 30, 2020 21:32:32 GMT -5
Remember folks: The facts don't care about your feelings. Regardless of your personal opinion on Eric Young (I don't rate him) Sanity WERE over on NXT and very well could've been on the main roster, but instead they split Cross off from them, booked Sanity into the ground, and then split them up.
Let me put it this way: The Ascension got a better opportunity to succeed in WWE than Sanity did.
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Post by cabbageboy on Jul 30, 2020 22:21:03 GMT -5
Eric Young is largely a marginal talent but it does seem curious that Vince never even used him as a comedy goof in the Santino vein. Truth be told I'm fairly surprised WWE even brought him in given that he was scorched earth by the end in TNA.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Jul 30, 2020 22:32:12 GMT -5
Sanity was fairly over in NXT, WWE does literally nothing with them on the main roster, blame them for the fans not caring and breaks them up.
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Post by realist on Jul 31, 2020 4:24:30 GMT -5
Eric Young isn't necessarily wrong in anything that he said there. However, I think that he has to take some of the blame for his failed WWE run for ruining his look with the clean shaved head and face and crappy tattoos. He looked like a star in TNA. He looked like a guy in WWE.
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Post by Fake Jesus on Jul 31, 2020 4:42:13 GMT -5
Eric Young isn't necessarily wrong in anything that he said there. However, I think that he has to take some of the blame for his failed WWE run for ruining his look with the clean shaved head and face and crappy tattoos. He looked like a star in TNA. He looked like a guy in WWE. Eric Young's WWE career had stalled out long before that.
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Post by realist on Jul 31, 2020 4:44:17 GMT -5
Eric Young isn't necessarily wrong in anything that he said there. However, I think that he has to take some of the blame for his failed WWE run for ruining his look with the clean shaved head and face and crappy tattoos. He looked like a star in TNA. He looked like a guy in WWE. Eric Young's WWE career had stalled out long before that. I could be misremembering, but I thought he debuted on the main roster with that look. Am I wrong about that?
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Post by Dub H on Jul 31, 2020 4:45:05 GMT -5
This was the match that I thought was when Sanity was dead in the water. Remember during Miz and Shane McMahons feud they were made to look like shit to The Miz.....The F**king Miz of all people. He is not a Stone Cold Steve Austin against D-X and putting them in bear traps or other things but they made it seem like that. Now who in their right mind would EVER believe that The Miz could beat up 3 people in almost an Austin style beatdown? Even ignoring they were beaten 3-1 , Their gimmick were erased out of reality. a stable of unstable individuals called SAniTy being corporate goon?
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 31, 2020 4:53:47 GMT -5
I agree with the sentiment that Eric Young should’ve been given comedy to do. Serious “crazy guy” Eric Young sucked in TNA and sucked in WWE I think World Elite was probably the only time serious Eric Young did much for me.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jul 31, 2020 6:47:27 GMT -5
Aside from money and exposure I simply cannot understand how people, especially people from the Indies, want to go to WWE at this current time when they hear the horror stories from everyone released from there. Not just "some", EVERYONE. It just feels like a pit where you have almost no chance, you could do one thing tomorrow Vince didn't like and it'd be the end of you and we've SEEN IT happen over and over to talent. I get a dream for a lot of this talent when they were young was to make it to the WWE grand stage, but the WWE stage that they saw in the 80s and for the young kids 90s and 00s, isn't even what WWE is now in 2020. It's ab absolute disaster and I feel the more people that speak up, the more people are gonna eigh their options. Otherwise, you're basically stuck in WWE's system so no one else can actually use you for anything remotely interesting... it's just a really bad energy to be in right now, and I have to think the more stories that come out about how WWE has a broken system there are, the more it's gonna make a difference. Well.... A) It's not everyone shitting on the company post-release. B) There are people who love traveling the world (Pre-COVID) while getting paid to do so C) There are wrestlers who probably don't care about their win/loss ratio as long as they get paid well D) Most people, in general, know there going to be some sucky parts about their job and the WWE is no different E) There will be wrestlers who bet on themselves to get to the top F) You get to hang out with your friends and travel with them which is plus for a lot of people. I think people even forget that as much as Mox hated the creative process by the end of his run he is still very thankful for what WWE did for him. He even told a story on AEWs podcast of how when he signed with WWE he didn't even have a bank account and was living in a crack house cause that was all he could afford, and within a couple years he was able to pay for his dream car in cash and met the girl of his dreams. I also think a majority of people who have left WWE recently have said their biggest complaint is they just aren't doing anything. I know Brodie Lee said he was miserable the last year he was with WWE but it was more cause he wasn't being used. He didn't even want a push he just wanted to wrestle. And I think for many that I'd the main contention. I know the other complaint on creative is guys just get tired of how many levels had to approve stuff you did and if someone didn't like it you had to start at square 1 so many found it easier just to do what was told right away to avoid stress
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jul 31, 2020 6:47:48 GMT -5
Have to say, reading what happened with Sanity over time was the big thing that made me realize that I'd have a hard time being invested in NXT. It's not that NXT doesn't put on good shows, but that sense of "Oh God, I don't want these guys to go to the main roster, they'll ruin them" would just put a cloud of dread over the proceedings, all while knowing that the NXT champ isn't going to ever main event WM or whatever. Again, not the NXT product's fault, but their call up really highlighted the deficiencies in the system. When I still watched WWE, I was dreading people leaving NXT because they would get ruined or never used.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 31, 2020 7:05:03 GMT -5
I think people even forget that as much as Mox hated the creative process by the end of his run he is still very thankful for what WWE did for him. He even told a story on AEWs podcast of how when he signed with WWE he didn't even have a bank account and was living in a crack house cause that was all he could afford, and within a couple years he was able to pay for his dream car in cash and met the girl of his dreams. I also think a majority of people who have left WWE recently have said their biggest complaint is they just aren't doing anything. I know Brodie Lee said he was miserable the last year he was with WWE but it was more cause he wasn't being used. He didn't even want a push he just wanted to wrestle. And I think for many that I'd the main contention. I know the other complaint on creative is guys just get tired of how many levels had to approve stuff you did and if someone didn't like it you had to start at square 1 so many found it easier just to do what was told right away to avoid stress It's the thing Shawn Spears, Mike Kanellis and others said in interviews and tweets; they just wanted to work. Mike hated the Maria cuckolding storyline but it was something to do. He had to beg them to do house shows and they said no. So he, Spears and others were in catering for shows and not doing anything. And as mentioned, with how creative works, if you get something, you're going to grab it with both hands regardless of if it makes you look like the biggest goober in the world or not. Like, people go on about how much people are paid to stay home but I say this now as someone who has to stay home unless I say in advance I need to be in the office, it f***ing sucks. I'm earning money for not doing much and I constantly feel like I don't earn that. Everything I've been trained to do is in the office and I can't go there so I just have to do things for myself and hope some training comes along that helps me out. For a wrestler to stay home and do nothing...I mean, that's not in the job description. They're wrestlers who want to wrestle. If they wanted an office job or a work-from-home job, they would have gone for those. So when Eric was saying "If you don't have something for me to do, you've failed", I don't think he meant "I'm a big f***ing star and you didn't see that", I took it as "You are paying me a monthly salary to sit either at home or eating your catering with 7 hours of television (8 if you count Main Event internationally), why am I here?"
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Post by dpg on Jul 31, 2020 8:30:12 GMT -5
He wanted to work, especially as he's around 40 now. He's already looked ok back in Impact.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jul 31, 2020 10:55:18 GMT -5
I think people even forget that as much as Mox hated the creative process by the end of his run he is still very thankful for what WWE did for him. He even told a story on AEWs podcast of how when he signed with WWE he didn't even have a bank account and was living in a crack house cause that was all he could afford, and within a couple years he was able to pay for his dream car in cash and met the girl of his dreams. I also think a majority of people who have left WWE recently have said their biggest complaint is they just aren't doing anything. I know Brodie Lee said he was miserable the last year he was with WWE but it was more cause he wasn't being used. He didn't even want a push he just wanted to wrestle. And I think for many that I'd the main contention. I know the other complaint on creative is guys just get tired of how many levels had to approve stuff you did and if someone didn't like it you had to start at square 1 so many found it easier just to do what was told right away to avoid stress It's the thing Shawn Spears, Mike Kanellis and others said in interviews and tweets; they just wanted to work. Mike hated the Maria cuckolding storyline but it was something to do. He had to beg them to do house shows and they said no. So he, Spears and others were in catering for shows and not doing anything. And as mentioned, with how creative works, if you get something, you're going to grab it with both hands regardless of if it makes you look like the biggest goober in the world or not. Like, people go on about how much people are paid to stay home but I say this now as someone who has to stay home unless I say in advance I need to be in the office, it f***ing sucks. I'm earning money for not doing much and I constantly feel like I don't earn that. Everything I've been trained to do is in the office and I can't go there so I just have to do things for myself and hope some training comes along that helps me out. For a wrestler to stay home and do nothing...I mean, that's not in the job description. They're wrestlers who want to wrestle. If they wanted an office job or a work-from-home job, they would have gone for those. So when Eric was saying "If you don't have something for me to do, you've failed", I don't think he meant "I'm a big f***ing star and you didn't see that", I took it as "You are paying me a monthly salary to sit either at home or eating your catering with 7 hours of television (8 if you count Main Event internationally), why am I here?" Rhino too. He even stated he turned s lot of money down from WWE when his contract was expiring cause he wanted to work. He asked to go to NXT and be a trainer but they said no. Like I listen to the Good Brothers in their interviews and they openly admit whenever they did things with AJ and Finn they had a lot of fun, but they also openly said they took the money and the money got them heat with agents and some of the longer term WWE people to the point they thought they were getting buried But its a tough situation. WWE for a lot of these guys was the only for sure thing with AEW being so unknown, and Impact still being viewed as toxic at the time its tough to turn down that money. For some guys who were established indy guys they would be fine but a lot of people didn't have that rep to fall back on
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Post by cassonova on Jul 31, 2020 11:39:28 GMT -5
I say this as a fan...
Sanity in NXT was perfect for him, leading a batch of younger, less experienced wrestlers and get them TV ready. The fact that creative had next to <i>nothing</i> for him is an indictment of how things are run. Does he need to be world champion? No. I would even argue against a midcard title. Just the fact that they couldn't even player-coach him is ridiculous.
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