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Post by polarbearpete on Sept 3, 2020 10:45:30 GMT -5
Honestly, that’s pretty embarrassing. All that build but shoved off for a throwaway Bucks match and a eight man with f***ing Zach Ryder. Like, they might be trying but maybe that’s a sign they...don’t get it??? The optics of this are so bad and it don’t even make much sense from a card perspective. How are the optics bad? If the title match was bumped off of the PPV, yeah, that'd look bad, but the feud over Britt being thrown in a dumpster that hasn't really been much but a diversion for both women? I've enjoyed the angle, yeah, but it's still mostly existed to set up a reason for Hikaru to not face either woman for a time for her whole "open challenge" angle, which is giving us an inter-promotion match, which is the bigger deal. Like, yeah, the Bucks match I'll give you, but Cardona was a big signing. I know we can all have a laugh sometimes at his expense, but he's also really goddamn popular, so it makes sense that he'd end up on the card, plus it is also part of a months-long angle. I thought the feud has actually been pretty entertaining. The Bucks match and the 8-man Tag are also just completely thrown together.
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 3, 2020 10:51:05 GMT -5
How are the optics bad? If the title match was bumped off of the PPV, yeah, that'd look bad, but the feud over Britt being thrown in a dumpster that hasn't really been much but a diversion for both women? I've enjoyed the angle, yeah, but it's still mostly existed to set up a reason for Hikaru to not face either woman for a time for her whole "open challenge" angle, which is giving us an inter-promotion match, which is the bigger deal. Like, yeah, the Bucks match I'll give you, but Cardona was a big signing. I know we can all have a laugh sometimes at his expense, but he's also really goddamn popular, so it makes sense that he'd end up on the card, plus it is also part of a months-long angle. I thought the feud has actually been pretty entertaining. The Bucks match and the 8-man Tag are also just completely thrown together. The Bucks match, definitely is thrown together. I disagree on the 8 man, outside of Scorpio admittedly being a filler team member though I guess part of it out of respect to Cody. The Dark Order took out Cody and the Nightmare Family wanting payback makes sense. Bucks versus Jurassic Express, though, yeah, that's filler. Probably going to be good, but unless it is going to immediately work into the Hangman/FTR/Omega stuff, then it being on the show is just for the sake of getting the guys on the card, and the Battle Royal would have done the same job.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 3, 2020 10:54:55 GMT -5
I mean I get it, with it being cinematic and all that but still
The best thing is they should get a ton of time to do their thing and this shouldn't be rushed. This has been one their longest running feuds in general in the companies short history and its important for the women since these are two of your top stars so putting them on the pre show is meh but just got to wait and see how this plays out
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Post by Harry The Arrow was Wrong! on Sept 3, 2020 11:10:26 GMT -5
What I want to know is what the f*** happened to Nyla Rose? She disappeared off the face of the planet. Like is having more than two women's feuds too much or some shit? There are plenty of women she could be feuding with while not in the title scene.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Sept 3, 2020 12:10:29 GMT -5
Tony just addressed it on their media call. He said he wanted the PPV to be more wrestling based and this is going to be very cinematic but they will definitely have more of a traditional style match at some point going forward. He also said he doesn't see the Buy In as a demotion, pointing to MJF and Hangman being in the Buy In during the first Double or Nothing. He wants to put something good on the show to get people interested in ordering it.
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Post by darbus alan on Sept 3, 2020 12:23:20 GMT -5
Honestly, I think the only reason the Swole vs. Baker feud lasted this long is because Britt got injured. Felt like it dragged out a lot. Don't mind it being on the Buy In, especially since we're getting a dream match between Thunder Rosa and Shida on the PPV card.
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Post by polarbearpete on Sept 3, 2020 12:27:45 GMT -5
Tony just addressed it on their media call. He said he wanted the PPV to be more wrestling based and this is going to be very cinematic but they will definitely have more of a traditional style match at some point going forward. He also said he doesn't see the Buy In as a demotion, pointing to MJF and Hangman being in the Buy In during the first Double or Nothing. He wants to put something good on the show to get people interested in ordering it. Not wanting the cinematic-style match on PPV rings hollow when the last PPV’s main draw was the Stadium Stampede.
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Post by markymark on Sept 3, 2020 12:35:00 GMT -5
TayJay about to get a big push after All Out?
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Post by Hypnosis on Sept 3, 2020 12:55:40 GMT -5
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Sept 3, 2020 13:13:16 GMT -5
The comment of Thunder Rosa potentially being the face of the division is VERY interesting. Does that mean she's going to be a regular going forward?
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Post by Facetious on Sept 3, 2020 13:36:07 GMT -5
Tony just addressed it on their media call. He said he wanted the PPV to be more wrestling based and this is going to be very cinematic but they will definitely have more of a traditional style match at some point going forward. He also said he doesn't see the Buy In as a demotion, pointing to MJF and Hangman being in the Buy In during the first Double or Nothing. He wants to put something good on the show to get people interested in ordering it. Not wanting the cinematic-style match on PPV rings hollow when the last PPV’s main draw was the Stadium Stampede. Which was a pretaped show with no crowds. I get the idea, but they should have just avoided a cinematic match.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 3, 2020 13:49:14 GMT -5
I mean I get it, with it being cinematic and all that but still The best thing is they should get a ton of time to do their thing and this shouldn't be rushed. This has been one their longest running feuds in general in the companies short history and its important for the women since these are two of your top stars so putting them on the pre show is meh but just got to wait and see how this plays out It's gonna be a pre-taped Cinematic though, that should mean they get all the time they need to do everything they want to do within the Buy-In's time window, which could still easily be around 15-20 minutes if they really wanted it to be. I don't see it as a slight to the girls because I don't see te Buy-In on the same level as a WWE Pre-Show, because as far as it's ever been, AEW's put some really good matches before the show, because the entire point is to entice people to buy it by showing something good. I think Britt/Baker in a cinematic could definitely do that
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Post by darbus alan on Sept 3, 2020 13:53:05 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if the decision to make this cinematic was because Britt isn't 100% and I don't think they were exactly expecting a five star classic out of her. The cinematic format gives her some cover while also finally resolving this feud.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 3, 2020 13:53:20 GMT -5
TayJay about to get a big push after All Out? If he's talking that highly about Rosa this could be a long lasting partnership like how Lucha Bros are with AAA and AEW. I also don't blame him because she is fantastic. I hope Deeb is back as well, along with the outside talent. Japan at the very least has been releasing promising news, and it could bring the likes of Sakura, Riho, Nakajima, and Sakazaki back and they'd all be dearly missed.
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Post by darbus alan on Sept 3, 2020 13:55:31 GMT -5
TayJay about to get a big push after All Out? If he's talking that highly about Rosa this could be a long lasting partnership like how Lucha Bros are with AAA and AEW. I also don't blame him because she is fantastic. I hope Deeb is back as well, along with the outside talent. Japan at the very least has been releasing promising news, and it could bring the likes of Sakura, Riho, Nakajima, and Sakazaki back and they'd all be dearly missed. The US is the reason why international talent isn't back yet, though. They don't want to take chances on getting themselves exposed because of how godawful our response has been compared to the rest of the world.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 3, 2020 13:57:34 GMT -5
If he's talking that highly about Rosa this could be a long lasting partnership like how Lucha Bros are with AAA and AEW. I also don't blame him because she is fantastic. I hope Deeb is back as well, along with the outside talent. Japan at the very least has been releasing promising news, and it could bring the likes of Sakura, Riho, Nakajima, and Sakazaki back and they'd all be dearly missed. The US is the reason why international talent isn't back yet, though. They don't want to take chances on getting themselves exposed because of how godawful our response has been compared to the rest of the world. Japan has been more willing to open travel back up, England however has not been, which sucks for PAC. Yeah it's clear why it's happening, was just saying if anyone breaks first it might be Japan
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Post by darbus alan on Sept 3, 2020 14:01:01 GMT -5
The US is the reason why international talent isn't back yet, though. They don't want to take chances on getting themselves exposed because of how godawful our response has been compared to the rest of the world. Japan has been more willing to open travel back up, England however has not been, which sucks for PAC. Yeah it's clear why it's happening, was just saying if anyone breaks first it might be Japan Opening travel in general or opening travel to the US? Because if it's the former, I imagine we're not on that list.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 3, 2020 14:08:30 GMT -5
If he's talking that highly about Rosa this could be a long lasting partnership like how Lucha Bros are with AAA and AEW. I also don't blame him because she is fantastic. I hope Deeb is back as well, along with the outside talent. Japan at the very least has been releasing promising news, and it could bring the likes of Sakura, Riho, Nakajima, and Sakazaki back and they'd all be dearly missed. The US is the reason why international talent isn't back yet, though. They don't want to take chances on getting themselves exposed because of how godawful our response has been compared to the rest of the world. Man, we still blaming other people for this virus, no way in hell anyone is admitting how bad the response has been almost 6 months later
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Sept 3, 2020 14:12:18 GMT -5
I am constantly torn about the women's stuff ending up on YouTube.
On the one hand, if I want to introduce someone to wrestling via kickass women being awesome? I am grateful that the content is there and easy to access. The tourament is an outright great introduction to wrestling period, and it is wondeful to have it free and easy to stream at any time.
On the other hand, there is the ingrained status demarcation that what shows up on TV or PPV is what matters the most. It also bumps up against the positive - if someone gets into AEW via the women's content on YouTube, well, they sure will be disappointed by Dynamite.
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Post by polarbearpete on Sept 3, 2020 14:43:00 GMT -5
Not wanting the cinematic-style match on PPV rings hollow when the last PPV’s main draw was the Stadium Stampede. Which was a pretaped show with no crowds. I get the idea, but they should have just avoided a cinematic match. The “crowd” is like 500 people. They can watch a 15-minute cinematic match between Baker and Swole during the PPV. They’ll be watching it I’m sure anyway as they’ll be seated in the crowd by that time.
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