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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 3, 2020 14:47:04 GMT -5
I am constantly torn about the women's stuff ending up on YouTube. On the one hand, if I want to introduce someone to wrestling via kickass women being awesome? I am grateful that the content is there and easy to access. The tourament is an outright great introduction to wrestling period, and it is wondeful to have it free and easy to stream at any time. On the other hand, there is the ingrained status demarcation that what shows up on TV or PPV is what matters the most. It also bumps up against the positive - if someone gets into AEW via the women's content on YouTube, well, they sure will be disappointed by Dynamite. Depends on what Dynamite shows them, the Women's Cup Final was on Dynamite, Rosa vs Deeb was on Dynamite and it was good. They just need to keep their quality up. As far as showcasing the women on Youtube, a lot of these girls as has been stated are very young and are literally learning as they have matches, it's not a bad place for some of them to be like Abadon, Jay, or a KiLyn King because you see the week to week improvement. I think there's been an upward trend for the girls lately, they just need to keep at it when All Out ends and set stuff up.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 3, 2020 14:57:00 GMT -5
Tony just addressed it on their media call. He said he wanted the PPV to be more wrestling based and this is going to be very cinematic but they will definitely have more of a traditional style match at some point going forward. He also said he doesn't see the Buy In as a demotion, pointing to MJF and Hangman being in the Buy In during the first Double or Nothing. He wants to put something good on the show to get people interested in ordering it. Not wanting the cinematic-style match on PPV rings hollow when the last PPV’s main draw was the Stadium Stampede. Yeah Stadium Stampede happened, but it was the height of the pandemic, this PPV's been built up entirely different and AEW constantly tries to do different things for their PPVs. He also says he doesn't see it as a demotion and I don't either, I feel like people are just upset because it's a women's match, ignoring the fact Shida and Rosa are on the card and are probably gonna get like 20 minutes because it's a dream match. As I said I think WWE Pre-shows have tainted fans minds on what The Buy-In is. It's supposed to get people interested in the show, and AEW constantly puts a good match on there for people to watch and get hyped for the show, it's never treated as a demotion and never has been because all different kinds of talent have been showcased on it so far in good matches, this is no different. And since he confirmed it, this isn't even gonna be the end of the feud, so I don't really see the issue with it I guess, I like the feud, I see no issue with it being on The Buy-In cinematic or not, I'm sure they'll get plenty of time to do stuff because Baker and Swole are both extremely creative.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Sept 3, 2020 15:36:02 GMT -5
Honestly, that’s pretty embarrassing. All that build but shoved off for a throwaway Bucks match and a eight man with f***ing Zach Ryder. Like, they might be trying but maybe that’s a sign they...don’t get it??? The optics of this are so bad and it don’t even make much sense from a card perspective. How are the optics bad? If the title match was bumped off of the PPV, yeah, that'd look bad, but the feud over Britt being thrown in a dumpster that hasn't really been much but a diversion for both women? I've enjoyed the angle, yeah, but it's still mostly existed to set up a reason for Hikaru to not face either woman for a time for her whole "open challenge" angle, which is giving us an inter-promotion match, which is the bigger deal. Like, yeah, the Bucks match I'll give you, but Cardona was a big signing. I know we can all have a laugh sometimes at his expense, but he's also really goddamn popular, so it makes sense that he'd end up on the card, plus it is also part of a months-long angle. As is quite literally the point of this entire thread, the women's division in AEW has been...underutlized, to put it nicely. This was a chance to put a program they've put time and effort into between two women not involved in a title match some real time on a PPV but no, they oped to give it to the name guys. Which, ok, but this is kinda the f***ing point. The Bucks match was thrown together literallly on the last show. The 8-Man match has...maybe two weeks of build and has no real storyline signficance in the grand scheme. There's no good reason that these two matches should be placed on the PPV above a match they've been devoting all this time to in a division that's already horribly managed. It shows where their priorties are. Which, again, ok, that's your perrogative but let's also not bullshit ourselves and act as if we can't hold the company accountable for contributing to an issue that they themselves have fostered since their inception. A dude that was getting his ass whooped by War Radiers and shit on Raw just jumped ship not even of his own choice and is now been placed in a major angle. God bless Cardona but that's a bad look, especially when said dude then gets on the main card over the talent that have actually been working a program on TV. This card had plenty of "star power" and it's not like Cardona adds anything to that. Cardona could be used in a lot of ways but this ain't it, brah. It's damn near the same shit with Shawn Spears where this guy that got bodied non-stop is just now supposed to be this top heel that is a serious threat. People's memories aren't that short.
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Post by Celgress on Sept 3, 2020 15:42:29 GMT -5
How are the optics bad? If the title match was bumped off of the PPV, yeah, that'd look bad, but the feud over Britt being thrown in a dumpster that hasn't really been much but a diversion for both women? I've enjoyed the angle, yeah, but it's still mostly existed to set up a reason for Hikaru to not face either woman for a time for her whole "open challenge" angle, which is giving us an inter-promotion match, which is the bigger deal. Like, yeah, the Bucks match I'll give you, but Cardona was a big signing. I know we can all have a laugh sometimes at his expense, but he's also really goddamn popular, so it makes sense that he'd end up on the card, plus it is also part of a months-long angle. As is quite literally the point of this entire thread, the women's division in AEW has been...underutlized, to put it nicely. This was a chance to put a program they've put time and effort into between two women not involved in a title match some real time on a PPV but no, they oped to give it to the name guys. Which, ok, but this is kinda the f***ing point. The Bucks match was thrown together literallly on the last show. The 8-Man match has...maybe two weeks of build and has no real storyline signficance in the grand scheme. There's no good reason that these two matches should be placed on the PPV above a match they've been devoting all this time to in a division that's already horribly managed. It shows where their priorties are. Which, again, ok, that's your perrogative but let's also not bullshit ourselves and act as if we can't hold the company accountable for contributing to an issue that they themselves have fostered since their inception. A dude that was getting his ass whooped by War Radiers and shit on Raw just jumped ship not even of his own choice and is now been placed in a major angle. God bless Cardona but that's a bad look, especially when said dude then gets on the main card over the talent that have actually been working a program on TV. This card had plenty of "star power" and it's not like Cardona adds anything to that. Cardona could be used in a lot of ways but this ain't it, brah. It's damn near the same shit with Shawn Spears where this guy that got bodied non-stop is just now supposed to be this top heel that is a serious threat. People's memories aren't that short.I will say that my elderly mother and young niece and nephew have repeatedly wondered why "Zack Ryder" is not doing comedy. I feel sorry for Cardona I honestly do but the guy has the stink of WWE comedy booking all over him. To causal crossover fans, I fear, he'll always be a joke and so will anyone he beats by extension.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 3, 2020 16:15:45 GMT -5
As is quite literally the point of this entire thread, the women's division in AEW has been...underutlized, to put it nicely. This was a chance to put a program they've put time and effort into between two women not involved in a title match some real time on a PPV but no, they oped to give it to the name guys. Which, ok, but this is kinda the f***ing point. The Bucks match was thrown together literallly on the last show. The 8-Man match has...maybe two weeks of build and has no real storyline signficance in the grand scheme. There's no good reason that these two matches should be placed on the PPV above a match they've been devoting all this time to in a division that's already horribly managed. It shows where their priorties are. Which, again, ok, that's your perrogative but let's also not bullshit ourselves and act as if we can't hold the company accountable for contributing to an issue that they themselves have fostered since their inception. A dude that was getting his ass whooped by War Radiers and shit on Raw just jumped ship not even of his own choice and is now been placed in a major angle. God bless Cardona but that's a bad look, especially when said dude then gets on the main card over the talent that have actually been working a program on TV. This card had plenty of "star power" and it's not like Cardona adds anything to that. Cardona could be used in a lot of ways but this ain't it, brah. It's damn near the same shit with Shawn Spears where this guy that got bodied non-stop is just now supposed to be this top heel that is a serious threat. People's memories aren't that short.I will say that my elderly mother and young niece and nephew have repeatedly wondered why "Zack Ryder" is not doing comedy. I feel sorry for Cardona I honestly do but the guy has the stink of WWE comedy booking all over him. To causal crossover fans, I fear, he'll always be a joke and so will anyone he beats by extension. That being said, I don't see Cody's Avengers winning this match, ESPECIALLY since Cardona isn't even officially signed to the company. You probably wanna enforce Dark Order's threat here As for Bucks/Express I think that's gonna open the show and be a hot one, which is why it isn't on Buy In, it's a great opener match, also a good way to play off the Bucks being "curtain jerkers" later
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Sept 4, 2020 15:40:17 GMT -5
Swole/Baker is now on the main card per Tony Khan's Twitter.
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Post by chrom on Sept 4, 2020 15:43:47 GMT -5
Swole/Baker is now on the main card per Tony Khan's Twitter. Huh, so what's on The Buy In? The Battle Royale
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Sept 4, 2020 15:45:08 GMT -5
Swole/Baker is now on the main card per Tony Khan's Twitter. Huh, so what's on The Buy In? The Battle Royale I would think the eight-man, given JE/Bucks has angle potential and the eight-man is likely just putting the Dark Order over strong.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 4, 2020 15:49:16 GMT -5
Swole/Baker is now on the main card per Tony Khan's Twitter. I still don't think them being on The Buy-In was a burial or anything, but at least it shows that once again he listens to the feedback of the fans, so now we got two solid women's matches on the main card I assume the Eight Man's bumped to Buy In, should still be good and I assume Dark Order's getting put over. Battle Royale's been built up too much and Bucks/Express should open the show itself.
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Post by Mr Mario Mario on Sept 4, 2020 16:12:57 GMT -5
I was quite annoyed that Swole vs Baker was on preshow so happy with this
I’d say move Bucks vs JE to preshow. At least the Dark Order has the storyline of what they did to the nightmare family going for it. Bucks bs JE has no story and an obvious result
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Post by AEW19 on Sept 4, 2020 16:24:03 GMT -5
Swole/Baker is now on the main card per Tony Khan's Twitter. Huh, so what's on The Buy In? The Battle Royale Private Party vs Silver and Reynolds
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Sept 4, 2020 17:17:08 GMT -5
Well, shit, it's hard to complain about them moving Swole/Britt to the actual PPV card in response to the backlash.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Sept 4, 2020 17:25:03 GMT -5
Swole/Baker is now on the main card per Tony Khan's Twitter. Wow, almost as if it’s really ok to hold even products you enjoy accountable.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 4, 2020 21:41:31 GMT -5
Swole/Baker is now on the main card per Tony Khan's Twitter. Wow, almost as if it’s really ok to hold even products you enjoy accountable. It's just refreshing to hold a product accountable that also actually listens It's a breath of fresh air frankly. I swear they have someone on FAN because almost as soon as the "Pentagon is underused" thread popped up, it was revealed Penta's committing to AEW which is why he changed his name to Penta El Zero again to get pushed more. It's wild but it's welcomed, lol
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Post by EP 54 is banned from Collision on Sept 5, 2020 12:24:44 GMT -5
I've just watched Dynamite. I forgot how good Serena is, they should pick her up.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Sept 5, 2020 12:28:34 GMT -5
I've just watched Dynamite. I forgot how good Serena is, they should pick her up. I agree with this. Hell that match was one of the best women's matches they have had in some time on TNT. I knew it would be when I saw who Thunder Rosa was facing. Both quality talent.
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Sept 6, 2020 8:11:51 GMT -5
Thunder Rosa, and her having one of the best matches (to me the best match) of the night, just proves how true the title of this thread is.
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Post by markymark on Sept 11, 2020 10:49:59 GMT -5
They bring a good point about Shida not feeling like a big star.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Sept 11, 2020 11:00:00 GMT -5
It's getting better mainly because Thunder Rosa. Which shows just how good she is. The fact that she and Serena had an amazing match, then again with Shida, and I think next show with the NWA title match will be another good one. I like Shida but I agree she missing something that makes her the star over who she faces. It clear why Billy and the NWA made Rosa the champion, she has that It factor. Serena is another talent they need as well. AEW slowly getting better just by getting better in ring talent for the women.
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Post by Celgress on Sept 11, 2020 11:26:01 GMT -5
Swole/Baker is now on the main card per Tony Khan's Twitter. Wow, almost as if it’s really ok to hold even products you enjoy accountable. After being a fan of Pro Wrestling for years and Mainstream Comic Books, I can say this is a pleasant breath of fresh air.
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