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Post by Dub H on Sept 11, 2020 14:37:13 GMT -5
They bring a good point about Shida not feeling like a big star. Haaaaard Disagree Shida is the star of the division and she shows in ring,all she needs is a good storyline
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Post by Convoy on Sept 11, 2020 15:20:29 GMT -5
I feel that the issue with Shida is the whole "reactionary face" identity. She is a fighting champion, and will not back down from a challenge. That is not a personality, and if you don't give her actual storylines, then she just becomes a warm body with a belt. That was most of the IC/US face champions over the last 15 years in WWE. Think pre-New Day Kofi and his various reigns with midcard titles.
Shida reacts to her challengers, but doesn't actually do anything but react to their taunts/threats/attacks until eventually defeating them. I get that she's ESL, but you don't need to rule the mic to establish a character's boundaries or motivations. She needs a firm storyline in place to build her personality and create interest around her defenses. The best we've got so far was:
Nyla attacking others/Shida fights her off -> Shida wins Penelope pins Shida in a tag -> Shida wins Rosa comes in as a challenger with a championship pedigree -> Shida wins
I love the guy, but this is the same issue people had with Tanahashi before Okada came along to freshen things up. He would react to monsters like Bernard or scoundrels like Yano. Then he would beat them. Then the process would start again with someone else. Shida needs more time and ability to chart her own course in a storyline, and bounce off her opponent instead of being like Suzie in Impact going "that's bad" and then defending the title.
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Post by markymark on Oct 1, 2020 17:33:46 GMT -5
Bumping this because Shida really doesnt have a strong storyline with less than 1 month before Full Gear.
Idk if its correct that the biggest feud in the women division right now is Anna Jay vs Brandi, glad Britt returned and Red Velvet has improved in the last month though.
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Post by Celgress on Oct 1, 2020 19:56:02 GMT -5
I had hoped things were changing in the Women's Division but this past Dynamite was another dismal showing for them , Britt notwithstanding.
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Post by Vanilla Gorilla on Oct 1, 2020 21:08:50 GMT -5
I am most interested in the women’s division; so often relegated to Dark.
I was so impressed Tay Conti’s match on Dark. She was excellent and so smooth. Her submission was original and looked vicious. This angle with her and Anna Jay is interesting as well. I would love to see her face Shida.
As an aside, I finally figured out who Anna Jay reminds me of: a young Beulah McGillicuty. Looks like her, the stoic expression most of the time but has an interesting personality, and wears a lot of black. I am loving her feud with Brandi and her role in the Dark Order. I like that she isn’t treated as eye candy or a valet, but as an emerging threat. I agree with the earlier thread that she will be a huge star.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 1, 2020 22:05:06 GMT -5
Shida needs an opponent, a month is plenty of time to set something up especially if they do Shida/Rosa II. Brandi and Anna Jay with Tay Conti involved is fun. It's just a matter of the other talents getting into feuds
But consider this, I think if the likes of Shanna are in fact going to return next week and within the next few weeks since Shanna said there is now a loophole for travel with a 2 week quarantine in a neutral country, we are going to see some major shifts in the women's division with a possible influx of talent returning
This might honestly be why everything is paused or moving slowly, because if you get the likes of Riho, Yuka, Shanna, Shojo, or anyone else back soon, then why set up storylines until you know who you have to set things up? Because that changes a lot within this division and what you could do with everyone.
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Post by polarbearpete on Oct 2, 2020 8:02:34 GMT -5
Shida needs an opponent, a month is plenty of time to set something up especially if they do Shida/Rosa II. Brandi and Anna Jay with Tay Conti involved is fun. It's just a matter of the other talents getting into feuds But consider this, I think if the likes of Shanna are in fact going to return next week and within the next few weeks since Shanna said there is now a loophole for travel with a 2 week quarantine in a neutral country, we are going to see some major shifts in the women's division with a possible influx of talent returning This might honestly be why everything is paused or moving slowly, because if you get the likes of Riho, Yuka, Shanna, Shojo, or anyone else back soon, then why set up storylines until you know who you have to set things up? Because that changes a lot within this division and what you could do with everyone. [ Because you should be constantly featuring the division each and every week and not pushing the can down the road for months at a time. AEW does so many things right, but so far the women’s division is not one of them. Hopefully it will turn around.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 2, 2020 9:24:11 GMT -5
Shida needs an opponent, a month is plenty of time to set something up especially if they do Shida/Rosa II. Brandi and Anna Jay with Tay Conti involved is fun. It's just a matter of the other talents getting into feuds But consider this, I think if the likes of Shanna are in fact going to return next week and within the next few weeks since Shanna said there is now a loophole for travel with a 2 week quarantine in a neutral country, we are going to see some major shifts in the women's division with a possible influx of talent returning This might honestly be why everything is paused or moving slowly, because if you get the likes of Riho, Yuka, Shanna, Shojo, or anyone else back soon, then why set up storylines until you know who you have to set things up? Because that changes a lot within this division and what you could do with everyone. [ Because you should be constantly featuring the division each and every week and not pushing the can down the road for months at a time. AEW does so many things right, but so far the women’s division is not one of them. Hopefully it will turn around. It's not gonna be months if the talent returns starting next week. That's why I think there isn't much happening right now. I think the women's division might be back on steady ground soon. I am hoping that to be the case, if what Shanna said is true, a lot of international talent might be coming back soon. I hope so, because I've really missed PAC and I'd love to see him as like the surprise entrant in that 8 man Tourney. But Shanna, Riho, and Yuka if they come back shake the division up hard and suddenly there are a lot of feuds you can play with all over Dynamite and DARK to re-establish everyone. I'm ok with that if that's the road we're going down, and if what Shanna said is true, we should know this Wednesday and the Anniversary show where I would assume some big surprises are in store.
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Post by ronin705 on Oct 2, 2020 11:52:58 GMT -5
Going into year 2, hit a hard reset and give the strap back to Nyla(beast heel w/manager/ BUILD THE DIVISION AROUND: - Shida (their clear workhorse Babyface) - Anna Jay (the heel workhorse) - Britt (the ace) - Swole (cocky face) - Penelope (chicken shit w/ kip)
While building Conti, Statlander when she's back, Red Velvet (who's impressing me more and more), and Shanna as the future pillars
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Post by Dub H on Oct 2, 2020 12:24:47 GMT -5
Going into year 2, hit a hard reset and give the strap back to Nyla(beast heel w/manager/ BUILD THE DIVISION AROUND: - Shida (their clear workhorse Babyface) - Anna Jay (the heel workhorse) - Britt (the ace) - Swole (cocky face) - Penelope (chicken shit w/ kip) While building Conti, Statlander when she's back, Red Velvet (who's impressing me more and more), and Shanna as the future pillars Britt cant be the ace, she doesnt has the ability to carry matches or feuds,plus she was abad face.She is of course a very entertaining part of the division,but nowhere near having the qualities of the ace
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Post by ronin705 on Oct 2, 2020 12:44:27 GMT -5
Going into year 2, hit a hard reset and give the strap back to Nyla(beast heel w/manager/ BUILD THE DIVISION AROUND: - Shida (their clear workhorse Babyface) - Anna Jay (the heel workhorse) - Britt (the ace) - Swole (cocky face) - Penelope (chicken shit w/ kip) While building Conti, Statlander when she's back, Red Velvet (who's impressing me more and more), and Shanna as the future pillars Britt cant be the ace, she doesnt has the ability to carry matches or feuds,plus she was abad face.She is of course a very entertaining part of the division,but nowhere near having the qualities of the ace I was trying to ignore the workrate part of the term in lue of her having the head above shoulders character work down to a tee, and she looked like she was in the lab on her time off this past week. Outside of that?? Then we got a HUGE problem lol
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 12:58:52 GMT -5
Instead of doing this Workd title 8 man tournament (which will no doubt have some great matches but is unnecessary) they should do a women's one and use it to build up a few storylines. They already blew it once with the tag tournament in terms of a perfect launching point for feuds and characterization. Here was a chance to do it right but they do it with the men anyway even though they already have fleshed out characters and feuds.
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Post by toodarkmark on Oct 2, 2020 14:11:59 GMT -5
They have enough talent, they don't have enough time. They need a second show, and women's wrestling needs to have 2 or 3 matches on it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 15:15:55 GMT -5
Bumping this because Shida really doesnt have a strong storyline with less than 1 month before Full Gear. Has she had any real storyline, period? They will probably have someone debut/return a week or two before the show to challenge her out of nowhere in lieu of actually giving her a real feud/storyline, like they did with Thunder Rosa at All Out. It's lazy booking but they've shown no intention of booking Shida, Riho and the Japanese women in general as anything other than good wrestlers who have good matches. The World, tag and TNT titles always have big stories going on around them but Riho and now Shida have spent almost a year combined as champion with just a bunch of random matches and little in the way of actual stories.
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Post by markymark on Oct 2, 2020 17:10:39 GMT -5
Bumping this because Shida really doesnt have a strong storyline with less than 1 month before Full Gear. Has she had any real storyline, period? They will probably have someone debut/return a week or two before the show to challenge her out of nowhere in lieu of actually giving her a real feud/storyline, like they did with Thunder Rosa at All Out. It's lazy booking but they've shown no intention of booking Shida, Riho and the Japanese women in general as anything other than good wrestlers who have good matches. The World, tag and TNT titles always have big stories going on around them but Riho and now Shida have spent almost a year combined as champion with just a bunch of random matches and little in the way of actual stories. Riho had a mini feud with Penelope and Yuka was feuding with Britt before pandemic happened.
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Post by Dub H on Oct 2, 2020 20:59:44 GMT -5
Bumping this because Shida really doesnt have a strong storyline with less than 1 month before Full Gear. Has she had any real storyline, period? They will probably have someone debut/return a week or two before the show to challenge her out of nowhere in lieu of actually giving her a real feud/storyline, like they did with Thunder Rosa at All Out. It's lazy booking but they've shown no intention of booking Shida, Riho and the Japanese women in general as anything other than good wrestlers who have good matches. The World, tag and TNT titles always have big stories going on around them but Riho and now Shida have spent almost a year combined as champion with just a bunch of random matches and little in the way of actual stories. Yuka and Riho was being booked in thatjust good matches,Riho was constsntly in feuds,Yuka was 90% her personality. Emi was there pretty much to help the girls and then leave.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Oct 3, 2020 9:10:52 GMT -5
I'd say that despite the short build, her and Nyla had an interesting story going into it, merely based off of Nyla's chaotic nature. But yeah, we need more stories for the women. Britt/Swole was good and had a good pay off and the tag tournament was a lot of fun. Right now it is merely Brandi/Anna Jay now that Rosa and Shida seem to be finished. Honestly, I'd sacrifice some more Dark time to the women and start developing feuds there to carry over. Wouldn't be the first time they've done something like that.
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Post by Shark on Oct 3, 2020 20:03:34 GMT -5
Bumping this because Shida really doesnt have a strong storyline with less than 1 month before Full Gear. Has she had any real storyline, period? They will probably have someone debut/return a week or two before the show to challenge her out of nowhere in lieu of actually giving her a real feud/storyline, like they did with Thunder Rosa at All Out. It's lazy booking but they've shown no intention of booking Shida, Riho and the Japanese women in general as anything other than good wrestlers who have good matches. The World, tag and TNT titles always have big stories going on around them but Riho and now Shida have spent almost a year combined as champion with just a bunch of random matches and little in the way of actual stories. It's interesting to contrast that with Io Sharai over in NXT. She's ESL as well, but we absolutley understand her character and gimmick. She and Candice may not have much of a feud at the moment, but they have a history going back almost 18 months that's easy to get.
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Post by chrom on Oct 4, 2020 9:14:41 GMT -5
Serena should be back from Covid next week
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Post by Harry The Arrow was Wrong! on Oct 7, 2020 21:17:33 GMT -5
Ok I'm just gonna say it, they clearly don't care about this division. It feels like a necessity. They rarely have a story, are held down to one segment a show and as it was brought up in the live thread, it's always the second to last match. Almost like it's a breather for the closing event. Shida has not been present in two weeks, they gave Nyla a manager and then she did nothing, Britt returned last week and had no appearance tonight.
And I don't want to hear Oh all the talent is missing etc. No that's bullshit, they have plenty of talent. Abadon, Shida,Britt, Nyla, Ivelisse, Diamante, Penelope, Anna Jay, Tay Conti and so on.
It's pretty damn embarrassing at this point. Especially for a company that touted about how great they would do with women
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