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Post by moxfan1 on Oct 17, 2020 8:20:44 GMT -5
Yeah biggest problem with woman division is lack of character and story. The division had disadvantage from day one. Since they didn't have any established over ex WWE talent or even TNA. They didn't have Moxley, Jericho, Cody, Dustin Rhodes to legitmatize the division from day one.
So the division from day one felt very indie or 2nd rate. Especially when they had bunch of girls from Japan who nobody knew and they didn't speak English. In the past year they did a good job building up heel Brit Baker, Nyla Rose with Vickie as monster and manager is fine and what they are doing with Anna Jay so far has been really good. Even Penelope Ford has improved in the ring but they still haven't developed her character much.
I think biggest issue is having that top baby face. Obviously Kylie Rae who would have been the top face was big hit. Signing Statlander helped but they still did poor developing her personality before the injury. As much as I like Shida the company clearly doesn't believe in her character. Since she doesn't get promos or many storylines.
At this point they should just put the title on Brit Baker. Have Reba help her cheat to win a lot etc. Then have her brag how better she is then rest of the division and beat everyone. At least that will get woman's division some focus and interest on it every week. Then they can sign or build up a top baby face to take title from her. Who has good personality and can match her on the mic.
Until the woman division can show more interest. They aren't gonna get more then 10 minutes on Dynamite every week. So they really need to start doing promos and character development on Dark with these ladies. I say do that and have Baker be focus of division on Dynamite. Then when someone impressed and gets over you build her up for Baker and you got something interesting people want to see finally.
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Post by glorious83 on Oct 17, 2020 11:35:28 GMT -5
Why not start to have Abandon more on the main show more and build her up. She’s got a great gimmick and people are drawn to her scary presence. She could be one of the main starts of this division if built properly.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 17, 2020 18:20:38 GMT -5
Why not start to have Abandon more on the main show more and build her up. She’s got a great gimmick and people are drawn to her scary presence. She could be one of the main starts of this division if built properly. She's training right now, so I assume that's the plan, but she's tweeted about lifting weights and showing progress pictures. So it looks like she's been improving in ring and also body/cardio wise. It's important to remember while Abadon has her gimmick down, she's been only doing this a year and a half, which is incredible. As I said if AEW's women's division has one thing on its side, it is barrels upon barrels of youth.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Oct 19, 2020 18:37:55 GMT -5
Time isn't the only issue for this division. Booking of course is another, but also the talent gap. It's not just that the talent isn't nearly at the same level as NXT or Impact, it's that the best of the division and the rest of the division currently has a huge gap in quality. Both in the ring and on the mic Keeping them all off television isn't going to help them get any better at wrestling or talking on television, though. This is an excuse that has been used to hold women down all over the industry forever and it doesn't stop every promotion under the sun putting big, green, musclebound goons out there. I think the fixation on match length is barking up the wrong tree. Matches don't need to be super long to be good. As long as the matches are competitive and not squashes, matches being 7-9 minutes is fine. Sprint-style matches can be really fun. Yes, talking solely about match length is kind of not seeing the wood for the trees. But the men every week get like, a lengthy opening match, a 10 or 15 minute main event match, then a bunch of 7-9 minute matches and maybe a squash or two, every f***ing week. And the women get one match. If that! Sometimes not EVEN nine minutes long. You know you have a poor division when a sloppy, 8 minute world title match with no build shoved in the death spot before the main event of the show is the best thing to happen in months. Pretty much this. At least Cody served a story purpse with the drawn. There is no reason at all we shoukd have a ftr match every damn week instead of time for the women FTR don't have a match this week, it looks like they're actually taking a small break. So I don't think you can really blame it on them. None of the talents in the other segments are necessarily to blame for this, they don't choose to get made into champions and get given segments this long. Even if they were asking for segments this long, the AEW staff could just say no. I'll say it again as negative and down people are on this division lately, I still think they have one of the best young pipeline of girls in wrestling if they develop it right So many girls that haven't even been in wrestling 2 years, so many that are early twenties or even younger, that's a plus, that's especially a plus if they develop and stick with them Kenzie Paige, Elayna Black if signed, Cassandra Golden, Anna Jay, Abadon, Skyler Moore, Dani Jordyn, Red Velvet, KiLyn King, Tay Conti There is so much youth and upside within this division, even if it needs work now, I really am excited for the future at the very least. The thing they have to work on is setting up the future for success. AEW listens and have proven to listen, they definitely need to here. They have a core fanbase that isn't going anywhere, they can bet more on the girls and you can work out the division more and more from there. I'm sure all of this is true, but I don't watch Dark, so I have no idea who most of these people are. I am glad you are managing to stay excited. The rest of the show is mostly still exciting me. Well thats kinda a good start for their feud lol. If I'm being honest this tweet from Swole, as the babyface, fills me with precisely zero faith It might be time to get Kenny away from being the main agent in laying out these matches and have him stick to the joshi once that gets started up again when travel becomes less of an issue, whenever that is. Get a more experienced hand in American and European-style women's wrestling like Madusa or even Serena Deeb as the main producer for these matches. It might be time to have literally anyone with a uterus booking the division too maybe but maybe that's too radical an idea for the new hotshot promotion Seriously, it is pretty disgraceful how poorly AEW have handled and continue to handle their women's division, and the thing that still drives me crazy about it is that WWE, WWE of all places, still has more opportunities for women than AEW does. Honestly, I think if WWE hadn't put as much effort into their Women's Revolution gimmick as they had, AEW wouldn't even be putting this much effort in now.
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Post by EP 54 is banned from Collision on Oct 20, 2020 9:47:51 GMT -5
Personally, I am perfectly fine with the product that the AEW women deliver. I think the match quality has been very high, and I really like some of the young talent on Dark. If this is what we get in the future, I will be satisfied.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2020 19:19:01 GMT -5
They don't need to hire more women. They need to use the women they already have before they can think about expanding their roster. Otherwise, that's more people warming the benches instead of being used and it becomes a WWE situation. THIS! What good is it to just go "Oh, we need to hire more people", when you already have people you can use but DON'T?! Certainly, there are folks that could absolutely help the division in the short term, yet if there's no intentions on changing the way the division is booked (inconsequential matches and Britt Baker is the only woman getting promo time), then you're just wasting money and time. Even though I don't like Vickie Guerrero, they seemingly had a plan for her and Nyla Rose... and Nyla has barely done squat, and Nyla is a former Women's Champion! I know Nyla Rose has had some issues in the ring, but she's not like Mel where she's a danger to herself and everyone around her just by walking around, but at least have a little faith in your division to keep someone like Nyla a threat. If I'm a free agent I would sign with WWE first ( they still have the best women's division ) and you have the best chance of getting max exposure. Impact would be a close 2nd. I think they treat their individual talents better than anyone but you won't have as big as stage to perform on unfortunately. AEW 3rd and right now, I wouldn't consider them. They haven't shown they care about the women's division and the best you could probably do is wrestle most of your matches on dark. Hopefully they wake up and showcase their female talents more. And, the thing about Dark is... yeah, wins and losses are counted, but I personally feel like barely much that happens on Dark will ever build up to an actual program onto Dynamite. Rather than Dark being a program that accessorizes Dynamite, it's something for the excess to just pad their figures so when they have to do a job to people AEW are actually pushing, their record looks competent (aka, why Joey Janela has a good win-loss record despite never seemingly winning on Dynamite in ages). Heck, the longest-running angle on Dark is about who is the worst wrestler in AEW, and it's unlikely they're putting that on actual television despite there being some interest in seeing one of those sad sacks finally getting a W. So... in a year and a half, AEW for one gender went from a viable alternative to the worst place you can go to not counting Ring of Honor (which had always been the worst place you could go to). I have to say, that's amazing. Is it possible for them to turn it around? Sure. But getting their act together is more than just saying so; actions speak louder than words.
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Post by Dub H on Oct 20, 2020 20:10:16 GMT -5
Time isn't the only issue for this division. Booking of course is another, but also the talent gap. It's not just that the talent isn't nearly at the same level as NXT or Impact, it's that the best of the division and the rest of the division currently has a huge gap in quality. Both in the ring and on the mic Keeping them all off television isn't going to help them get any better at wrestling or talking on television, though. This is an excuse that has been used to hold women down all over the industry forever and it doesn't stop every promotion under the sun putting big, green, musclebound goons out there. I think the fixation on match length is barking up the wrong tree. Matches don't need to be super long to be good. As long as the matches are competitive and not squashes, matches being 7-9 minutes is fine. Sprint-style matches can be really fun. Yes, talking solely about match length is kind of not seeing the wood for the trees. But the men every week get like, a lengthy opening match, a 10 or 15 minute main event match, then a bunch of 7-9 minute matches and maybe a squash or two, every f***ing week. And the women get one match. If that! Sometimes not EVEN nine minutes long. You know you have a poor division when a sloppy, 8 minute world title match with no build shoved in the death spot before the main event of the show is the best thing to happen in months. Pretty much this. FTR don't have a match this week, it looks like they're actually taking a small break. So I don't think you can really blame it on them. None of the talents in the other segments are necessarily to blame for this, they don't choose to get made into champions and get given segments this long. Even if they were asking for segments this long, the AEW staff could just say no. I'll say it again as negative and down people are on this division lately, I still think they have one of the best young pipeline of girls in wrestling if they develop it right So many girls that haven't even been in wrestling 2 years, so many that are early twenties or even younger, that's a plus, that's especially a plus if they develop and stick with them Kenzie Paige, Elayna Black if signed, Cassandra Golden, Anna Jay, Abadon, Skyler Moore, Dani Jordyn, Red Velvet, KiLyn King, Tay Conti There is so much youth and upside within this division, even if it needs work now, I really am excited for the future at the very least. The thing they have to work on is setting up the future for success. AEW listens and have proven to listen, they definitely need to here. They have a core fanbase that isn't going anywhere, they can bet more on the girls and you can work out the division more and more from there. I'm sure all of this is true, but I don't watch Dark, so I have no idea who most of these people are. I am glad you are managing to stay excited. The rest of the show is mostly still exciting me. Well thats kinda a good start for their feud lol. If I'm being honest this tweet from Swole, as the babyface, fills me with precisely zero faith It might be time to get Kenny away from being the main agent in laying out these matches and have him stick to the joshi once that gets started up again when travel becomes less of an issue, whenever that is. Get a more experienced hand in American and European-style women's wrestling like Madusa or even Serena Deeb as the main producer for these matches. It might be time to have literally anyone with a uterus booking the division too maybe but maybe that's too radical an idea for the new hotshot promotion Seriously, it is pretty disgraceful how poorly AEW have handled and continue to handle their women's division, and the thing that still drives me crazy about it is that WWE, WWE of all places, still has more opportunities for women than AEW does. Honestly, I think if WWE hadn't put as much effort into their Women's Revolution gimmick as they had, AEW wouldn't even be putting this much effort in now. Brandi is party of the "booking" team for what matters I just think she never was really good at it. And a lot of wrestler still have say on how they want to be used.I feel like AEW is in that really awful place where they are in a holding position with the division with no sight to when it will return.if they are expecting the sidelined wrestler to return that is an awful Idea.Like they are doing the bare enough to show they didnt give up(the brit swole cinematic,the awesome participation of Rosa) Honestly my biggest issue with the division booking(besides not giving it time) is that the only focus is Britt Baker Y Yeh she is fun,but THERE IS OTHER WOMAN TO BUILD AND YOU NEED TO BUILD THEM!Dark is good to build the talent part,but not the story and character part
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 20, 2020 20:16:10 GMT -5
Statlander being back in Jacksonville last week on BTE was very encouraging as far as her rehab process is going.
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Post by darbus alan on Oct 20, 2020 20:31:14 GMT -5
It was good to see her walk without crutches at least. But I also hope Kris doesn't feel a need to rush back either. Don't want to see what happened with Tegan Nox happen to her.
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Post by chrom on Oct 20, 2020 20:57:21 GMT -5
Good that Kris is showing signs of recovery, hope she doesn't rush it though
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 20, 2020 21:19:53 GMT -5
Statlander has in her own words recovered from injuries at a fast clip, that was before the ACL Tear though. She's a former stuntwoman, so she's used to pushing her limits. But I agree if she comes back I hope she comes back when she feels ready
In other women's development, Allie is officially back as The Bunny with Butcher and Blade. I hope she keeps wrestling though, her and Brandi have both improved in ring wise, if The Nightmare Sisters did anything for them it was improve their in ring work
This also gives Red Velvet the ok to join Brandi Rhodes and be her new tag team partner against the likes of Tay Conti and Anna Jay which seems to be where it's going.
You then have Shida vs Nyla for the belt, Swole vs Ford, Baker you would assume beginning a feud this week with an advertised IN ACTION match, and La Sicaria's also still around and dominating in tag action
I'd say it's slowly taking shape, and you got some other girls you can still work with too like Deeb, Abadon, and Shanna if she also returns. Thunder Rosa is also the ultimate wild card for this division that gives them another clear ace.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 20, 2020 22:32:23 GMT -5
Brandi appears to be teasing taking more than just Red Velvet under her wing as KiLiyn King has caught her eye.
Brandi's factions haven't worked out yet but her kind of taking the initiative with Dustin to help the Young Lionesses get some wins sounds like a cool idea, especially if it leads to a conflict with Anna Jay and Tay Conti, Jay also could start trying to recruit other girls too.
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Post by Dub H on Oct 21, 2020 2:43:47 GMT -5
Definitely seems like they are taking slow with them,guess they dont want another face Britt/ Swole situation.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Oct 21, 2020 3:49:05 GMT -5
Brandi appears to be teasing taking more than just Red Velvet under her wing as KiLiyn King has caught her eye. Brandi's factions haven't worked out yet but her kind of taking the initiative with Dustin to help the Young Lionesses get some wins sounds like a cool idea, especially if it leads to a conflict with Anna Jay and Tay Conti, Jay also could start trying to recruit other girls too. ...Y'know, when the Brandi/KiLynn match was announced, I had the thought that Brandi using Dark Order's recruiting tactics against them was too good an idea to actually be used in this company. Very happy if I am proven wrong.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 21, 2020 3:58:19 GMT -5
Brandi appears to be teasing taking more than just Red Velvet under her wing as KiLiyn King has caught her eye. Brandi's factions haven't worked out yet but her kind of taking the initiative with Dustin to help the Young Lionesses get some wins sounds like a cool idea, especially if it leads to a conflict with Anna Jay and Tay Conti, Jay also could start trying to recruit other girls too. ...Y'know, when the Brandi/KiLynn match was announced, I had the thought that Brandi using Dark Order's recruiting tactics against them was too good an idea to actually be used in this company. Very happy if I am proven wrong. I don't see why it'd be out of line to suspect AEW capable of stuff like this when they've definitely evolved, shifted, and dropped storylines before This is something that could really help some of the Young Lionesses and give them some teeth. Like if Brandi recruits herself a squad, Anna Jay may also be forced to get someone else or others other than Conti The Girls to choose from in that pool currently would be: Skyler Moore, Dani Jordan, Kenzie Paige, Shandra Golden and Rache Chanel in terms of frequent DARK girls. But if they give someone like Elayna Black another look? Her aesthetic fits Dark Order perfectly. I personally feel like Jordan, Moore, and Paige could all form a Mean Girls like faction with Britt as the leader too, if we're loving faction wars with the guys let's give the girls some squads, this helps TV time, this helps with characters, and we've seen it work really well for the male roster, so I'd love to see it here. You could have Brandi's Squad, a Dark Order Girls, a Britt Squad, and you already have La Sicaria's. It could really help work the undercards, give them purpose, and then when someone like Britt, Brandi, or Dark Order show up on the main show, the girls get more TV time if they aren't necessarily wrestling on the show The more I think about it the more this could fix a lot actually.
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Post by nisidhe on Oct 21, 2020 8:21:24 GMT -5
I'm actually quite hopeful for the AEW women's division, but I feel that they need a couple more "names" who can a) put the rub on the division as a whole, b) help polish the women's in-ring and mic work; and c) really go to bat for the women with head office to promote them more. I wonder if Ivory would be available and/or willing to give it a go? Perhaps one of the other former WWE crew from the Attitude Era or later, with a decent workrate during their active careers, who could also work okay or better on the mic? Would Dustin be okay with bringing in Terri Boatwright, or is there bad blood there?
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Oct 21, 2020 8:56:33 GMT -5
Definitely seems like they are taking slow with them,guess they dont want another face Britt/ Swole situation. Between this and the work Tay Conti posts on her social media, it's great to see the women all honing their craft in house. This division may pretty much be the only homegrown one in AEW.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 21, 2020 9:43:15 GMT -5
I'm actually quite hopeful for the AEW women's division, but I feel that they need a couple more "names" who can a) put the rub on the division as a whole, b) help polish the women's in-ring and mic work; and c) really go to bat for the women with head office to promote them more. I wonder if Ivory would be available and/or willing to give it a go? Perhaps one of the other former WWE crew from the Attitude Era or later, with a decent workrate during their active careers, who could also work okay or better on the mic? Would Dustin be okay with bringing in Terri Boatwright, or is there bad blood there? I don't even think they need names like that, like if they signed the likes of Ellering and Savoy that would help the division in terms of workrate stability. If La Sicaria's are official, them and Deeb work well there, if Shanna and the Joshi's come back soon even more so, then you wait on Statlander. The only name I could think of right now that had a good workrate that could probably still go today from like WWE is Victoria/Tara, maybe Molly Holly? but AEW isn't gonna be hurt if they take a slow approach to this and train the girls up like they're doing, I think they could do a lot with group wars as I said with how the guys are forming them, and/or sign some decent indy names like I also said above. I don't think they need to go after WWE name girls for this to work. It might be a work in progress but at the very least we're hearing about the progress especially the training with Dustin, he's really going all in with the girls and I like it, and it seems like they all love him too.
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Post by markymark on Oct 21, 2020 12:16:26 GMT -5
...Y'know, when the Brandi/KiLynn match was announced, I had the thought that Brandi using Dark Order's recruiting tactics against them was too good an idea to actually be used in this company. Very happy if I am proven wrong. I don't see why it'd be out of line to suspect AEW capable of stuff like this when they've definitely evolved, shifted, and dropped storylines before This is something that could really help some of the Young Lionesses and give them some teeth. Like if Brandi recruits herself a squad, Anna Jay may also be forced to get someone else or others other than Conti The Girls to choose from in that pool currently would be: Skyler Moore, Dani Jordan, Kenzie Paige, Shandra Golden and Rache Chanel in terms of frequent DARK girls. But if they give someone like Elayna Black another look? Her aesthetic fits Dark Order perfectly. I personally feel like Jordan, Moore, and Paige could all form a Mean Girls like faction with Britt as the leader too, if we're loving faction wars with the guys let's give the girls some squads, this helps TV time, this helps with characters, and we've seen it work really well for the male roster, so I'd love to see it here. You could have Brandi's Squad, a Dark Order Girls, a Britt Squad, and you already have La Sicaria's. It could really help work the undercards, give them purpose, and then when someone like Britt, Brandi, or Dark Order show up on the main show, the girls get more TV time if they aren't necessarily wrestling on the show The more I think about it the more this could fix a lot actually. Brandi is like cursed, the Nightmare Sisters is her 2nd storyline in 2020 that straight up flopped, though if she can be a manager for Velvet and Kilynn then maybe it could work.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2020 12:33:24 GMT -5
I don't see why it'd be out of line to suspect AEW capable of stuff like this when they've definitely evolved, shifted, and dropped storylines before This is something that could really help some of the Young Lionesses and give them some teeth. Like if Brandi recruits herself a squad, Anna Jay may also be forced to get someone else or others other than Conti The Girls to choose from in that pool currently would be: Skyler Moore, Dani Jordan, Kenzie Paige, Shandra Golden and Rache Chanel in terms of frequent DARK girls. But if they give someone like Elayna Black another look? Her aesthetic fits Dark Order perfectly. I personally feel like Jordan, Moore, and Paige could all form a Mean Girls like faction with Britt as the leader too, if we're loving faction wars with the guys let's give the girls some squads, this helps TV time, this helps with characters, and we've seen it work really well for the male roster, so I'd love to see it here. You could have Brandi's Squad, a Dark Order Girls, a Britt Squad, and you already have La Sicaria's. It could really help work the undercards, give them purpose, and then when someone like Britt, Brandi, or Dark Order show up on the main show, the girls get more TV time if they aren't necessarily wrestling on the show The more I think about it the more this could fix a lot actually. Brandi is like cursed, the Nightmare Sisters is her 2nd storyline in 2020 that straight up flopped, though if she can be a manager for Velvet and Kilynn then maybe it could work. Did they even get a reason why the nightmare sisters ended? Just feels like it was forgetten about like two weeks ago, it could have been a decent Dark feud of BatB taking on Dustin/QT with Allie finally turning on them.
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