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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2020 15:25:29 GMT -5
www.allelitewrestling.com/rosterMost of their roster is not there or not ready. When you have to outsource to the NWA or take a shot with risky talent. When a Nyla Rose rematch is one of your best ideas, its time to bring in a few big tv ready talents. impactwrestling.com/knockouts/Seriously people still laugh at impact but half of them were signed this year.
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Post by Dub H on Oct 16, 2020 15:25:33 GMT -5
the list that is 90% woman in WWE, outside of the country or in AEW? And the other 10% in TNA ,which contracts and all,plus i'm sure they have it good there
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Oct 16, 2020 15:29:04 GMT -5
They don't need to hire more women. They need to use the women they already have before they can think about expanding their roster. Otherwise, that's more people warming the benches instead of being used and it becomes a WWE situation. I could go either way on that. Impact has a roster of 15, AEW has a roster of 19 (22 if we count Ivelisse, Diamante, and Red Velvett - which it seems like maybe we should). Impact's women are seen as a highlight, AEW's as a nadir. Roster size is clearly not the sole issue. But...even discounting the half-dozen wrestlers who are on the shelf due to injury or travel restriction right now, AEW has a relative glut of women that aren't primarily wrestlers. That decent overall number is less significant when it's considered that Kong could barely wrestle when she was around, Mel is unused because she isn't able to hang, Leva is mostly doing manager duty, Brandi notably drives away interest (whether that's earned or not), and Allie has struggled to find a place because of style mismatches. Add in also that they are heavy in wrestlers with no TV experience and less than five years of ring experience, and the roster isn't just low in numbers - it's low in flexibility. Then, there's the fact that AEW, when it's good, is just plain booked with the assumption of having tons of people. FTR are having a great match every week and they haven't even gotten through a lot of the tag teams available; Omega and Hangman did the same when they had the belts, with it taking months to come close to exhausting their matchups while still having solid matches and letting the teams they face have spotlight in other scnenarios. Mox has had a solid series of matches as champion and still hasn't run out of good opponents. Cody had a hell of a reign where he was defending against people who hadn't even been seen before! Compare all of these to Shida, who has so thoroughly run through credible opponents that she's had to get an interpromotional match and a rematch for her PPV outings, or Nyla, who would have no credible faces whatsoever except for Big Swole and an eventually-returning Kris Statlander. Plus, the feuds often spiral out of alliances and relationships on the roster. Cody had a big, memorable cage match with Wardlow...springing out of a feud with MJF. The Best Friends had the match of their career against Santana and Ortiz...which transitioned smoothly out of a feud between Jericho and Orange Cassidy. Hangman and Kenny Omega are having a complex feud that has been dependent on the Young Bucks and FTR as foils. When the same methods are applied to a much smaller roster, there ends up being a lot more waiting around for something to happen or stalling between major matches. Either the women need to be booked completely differently from the men, or they need to beef up their numbers with people who can play the roles needed to make angles happen.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2020 15:40:56 GMT -5
the list that is 90% woman in WWE, outside of the country or in AEW? And the other 10% in TNA ,which contracts and all,plus i'm sure they have it good there Theres at least 20 free agents. Start there.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2020 15:44:58 GMT -5
Also the women that are signed? Well contacts come up... which is one of the reasons they were able to make their mens rosters so amazing.
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Post by markymark on Oct 16, 2020 16:08:03 GMT -5
Also the women that are signed? Well contacts come up... which is one of the reasons they were able to make their mens rosters so amazing. I think Swole, Statlander and Mel are up at the end of the year, only the last deserves to be let go due to how awful she is.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2020 16:12:51 GMT -5
Also the women that are signed? Well contacts come up... which is one of the reasons they were able to make their mens rosters so amazing. I think Swole, Statlander and Mel are up at the end of the year, only the last deserves to be let go due to how awful she is. The Mel / Ford tag team was one of my favorites they gave off an HBK / Diesel vibe. Her being muscle for Ford would have been perfect for her. Sadly it didn’t continue after the Deadly Draw
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 16, 2020 16:14:32 GMT -5
Also the women that are signed? Well contacts come up... which is one of the reasons they were able to make their mens rosters so amazing. I think Swole, Statlander and Mel are up at the end of the year, only the last deserves to be let go due to how awful she is. Yeah I'd flip Mel for another signing, even one of the younger DARK girls if they weren't signed full time yet. Swole and Statlander should be given big extensions.
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Post by markymark on Oct 16, 2020 16:16:29 GMT -5
So...something that I think is an interesting point of discussion that I think has to do with both the agent work and the hiring practices for the women's wrestling - with the dreaded Meltzer/Alvarez references: Alvarez and Meltzer have both chimed in on the fact that the women's matches in AEW are...well, laid out like Kenny Omega matches. The pacing, the escalation of moves, the complexity, etc. And they've noted that Penelope Ford has excelled in this environment, but that others - noting Big Swole - suffer from it, with Alvarez noting that they'd probably get a better match if they just did a simpler match with good storytelling. Meltzer had a...well, very dismissive overall take that I think is sadly accurate to Tony Khan's thought process: they don't want good TV right now, they want excellent TV. In this view, most of the women's wrestlers that they could hire to spice up the division are about the talent level of Frankie Kazarian, and that Kazarian is struggling to even get on TV right now. (He then showed that he is, in fact, Meltzer by saying that anyone complaining isn't serious because if they were, they'd go watch Stardom. Which is a truly wretched take all around, gotta say.) And...yeah, I see it. Even before Britt's heel turn, a lot of us were in agreement that she looked like she would benefit if she just slowed down a little bit. And honestly, aside from like...Abadon vs. Shida on Dark, and the bloody Shida vs. Britt match...the major women's matches have generally been these spectacular Japanese style epics, in contrast to some of the other styles that are present elsewhere on the show (like Cody's NWA-with-modern-spots deal, Colt Cabana and previously Jimmy Havoc with British grappling, Orange's comedy-until-it's-lucha routine, Eddie Kingston being full-on King's Road). That's kind of against the grain of what's been big on the indies with women. Watch a Shimmer show or some Beyond matches, and you're less likely to see spectacular sprints than you are to see good fundamentals and solid character-based storytelling. Some of the bigger names on the indies are wrestlers with great character work - Priscilla Kelly, for example, is one of the crispest and smoothest wrestlers out there, but her moveset is very restrained and her matches are generally built around one of her outrageous lewd routines. And frankly - not only would that slower and more character-based approach be better suited to most of the women out there on the indies, it would also better get over the skills and characters of the wrestlers they have. Hell, the women's tag tournament was a breath of fresh air because it was much more relaxed and character-based until the finals (which were an earned climax). Big Swole would be putting on better TV if she were doing stuff like dragging her tag partner back for a tag because she was getting carried away, than trying to jam all of her best spots into an eight-minute match where the only storytelling is escalation. This also has the effect of all but removing a quarter of the women from active participation - Allie looks very out of place in comparison to everyone else, partly because everything is built around a style that doesn't suit her and there isn't really room for her to be a character with the kind of booking we've gotten so far. Basically? Less Shida vs. Ford and Riho vs. Nyla, more Shida vs. Abadon and Britt vs. Swole in the presentation. They need to focus more on ECW-style booking to strengths and less on trying to get a cool spotfest out of wrestlers who don't specialize in those. Im also starting to believe Kenny is the issue and Swole cant work his style.
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Post by deezy on Oct 16, 2020 16:21:44 GMT -5
If I'm a free agent I would sign with WWE first ( they still have the best women's division ) and you have the best chance of getting max exposure.
Impact would be a close 2nd. I think they treat their individual talents better than anyone but you won't have as big as stage to perform on unfortunately.
AEW 3rd and right now, I wouldn't consider them. They haven't shown they care about the women's division and the best you could probably do is wrestle most of your matches on dark. Hopefully they wake up and showcase their female talents more.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2020 16:24:55 GMT -5
I mean, even if you don't have much of a roster you could give them real storylines, or promos, or something. There are spotlights they could give them besides matches but the only person who ever gets them is Britt.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Oct 16, 2020 16:25:51 GMT -5
This is also why I'm really skeptical of how much they seem to be investing in athletic rookies over experienced talent.
Maybe, MAYBE you can train up a half dozen to a dozen newbie women to wrestle like Kenny Omega...but I don't think any trainer ever has been consistent enough to pull off a feat like that.
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Post by markymark on Oct 16, 2020 16:27:08 GMT -5
If I'm a free agent I would sign with WWE first ( they still have the best women's division ) and you have the best chance of getting max exposure. Impact would be a close 2nd. I think they treat their individual talents better than anyone but you won't have as big as stage to perform on unfortunately. AEW 3rd and right now, I wouldn't consider them. They haven't shown they care about the women's division and the best you could probably do is wrestle most of your matches on dark. Hopefully they wake up and showcase their female talents more. Fightful said today ROH will revamp their women division with Gresham at the helm, Gresham style is more ground based which lets be honest is better than Kenny style used in the AEW Women division.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 16, 2020 17:09:10 GMT -5
I find it odd if Kenny Omega's style is the style the girls are being told to fight with, when Kennt Omega isn't training them, Dustin is. I've seen a lot more of Dustin's style and match pacing in the younger talent than I have Omega.
In other words... just let Dustin book them until the Joshi come back? He and Madusa seem really passionate about training and giving the girls time, and I'm not saying Omega isn't, but Omega's lagging the division behind everything else. Let him focus on his push that's coming.
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Post by Hypnosis on Oct 16, 2020 17:10:37 GMT -5
www.allelitewrestling.com/rosterMost of their roster is not there or not ready. When you have to outsource to the NWA or take a shot with risky talent. When a Nyla Rose rematch is one of your best ideas, its time to bring in a few big tv ready talents. impactwrestling.com/knockouts/Seriously people still laugh at impact but half of them were signed this year. AEW still doesn't have bio descriptions for their roster like WWE, Impact, and other televised promotions do either for some reason.
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Post by Dub H on Oct 16, 2020 17:33:01 GMT -5
So...something that I think is an interesting point of discussion that I think has to do with both the agent work and the hiring practices for the women's wrestling - with the dreaded Meltzer/Alvarez references: Alvarez and Meltzer have both chimed in on the fact that the women's matches in AEW are...well, laid out like Kenny Omega matches. The pacing, the escalation of moves, the complexity, etc. And they've noted that Penelope Ford has excelled in this environment, but that others - noting Big Swole - suffer from it, with Alvarez noting that they'd probably get a better match if they just did a simpler match with good storytelling. Meltzer had a...well, very dismissive overall take that I think is sadly accurate to Tony Khan's thought process: they don't want good TV right now, they want excellent TV. In this view, most of the women's wrestlers that they could hire to spice up the division are about the talent level of Frankie Kazarian, and that Kazarian is struggling to even get on TV right now. (He then showed that he is, in fact, Meltzer by saying that anyone complaining isn't serious because if they were, they'd go watch Stardom. Which is a truly wretched take all around, gotta say.) And...yeah, I see it. Even before Britt's heel turn, a lot of us were in agreement that she looked like she would benefit if she just slowed down a little bit. And honestly, aside from like...Abadon vs. Shida on Dark, and the bloody Shida vs. Britt match...the major women's matches have generally been these spectacular Japanese style epics, in contrast to some of the other styles that are present elsewhere on the show (like Cody's NWA-with-modern-spots deal, Colt Cabana and previously Jimmy Havoc with British grappling, Orange's comedy-until-it's-lucha routine, Eddie Kingston being full-on King's Road). That's kind of against the grain of what's been big on the indies with women. Watch a Shimmer show or some Beyond matches, and you're less likely to see spectacular sprints than you are to see good fundamentals and solid character-based storytelling. Some of the bigger names on the indies are wrestlers with great character work - Priscilla Kelly, for example, is one of the crispest and smoothest wrestlers out there, but her moveset is very restrained and her matches are generally built around one of her outrageous lewd routines. And frankly - not only would that slower and more character-based approach be better suited to most of the women out there on the indies, it would also better get over the skills and characters of the wrestlers they have. Hell, the women's tag tournament was a breath of fresh air because it was much more relaxed and character-based until the finals (which were an earned climax). Big Swole would be putting on better TV if she were doing stuff like dragging her tag partner back for a tag because she was getting carried away, than trying to jam all of her best spots into an eight-minute match where the only storytelling is escalation. This also has the effect of all but removing a quarter of the women from active participation - Allie looks very out of place in comparison to everyone else, partly because everything is built around a style that doesn't suit her and there isn't really room for her to be a character with the kind of booking we've gotten so far. Basically? Less Shida vs. Ford and Riho vs. Nyla, more Shida vs. Abadon and Britt vs. Swole in the presentation. They need to focus more on ECW-style booking to strengths and less on trying to get a cool spotfest out of wrestlers who don't specialize in those. Im also starting to believe Kenny is the issue and Swole cant work his style. Kenny first match in it wa sbasically a jobber match and she botched all the time, she just seems very incosistent.Even Tay Conti which is very green had great showings The match layout isnt the issue Swole vs Shida has a great story and pacing to it.And they have great match when the talent can go. Shida vs Rosa ,Shida vs Nyla,Nyla vs Riho hell even even Penelope matches are all great.Swole is the odd one out in having great matches in AEW
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Post by markymark on Oct 16, 2020 17:36:44 GMT -5
Im also starting to believe Kenny is the issue and Swole cant work his style. Kenny first match in it wa sbasically a jobber match and she botched all the time, she just seems very incosistent.Even Tay Conti which is very green had great showings The match layout isnt the issue Swole vs Shida has a great story and pacing to it.And they have great match when the talent can go. Shida vs Rosa ,Shida vs Nyla,Nyla vs Riho hell even even Penelope matches are all great.Swole is the odd one out in having great matches in AEW Tay likes the japanese style(if you check her twitter), Shida also didnt have a good match with Diamante.
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Post by Dub H on Oct 16, 2020 18:46:04 GMT -5
Kenny first match in it wa sbasically a jobber match and she botched all the time, she just seems very incosistent.Even Tay Conti which is very green had great showings The match layout isnt the issue Swole vs Shida has a great story and pacing to it.And they have great match when the talent can go. Shida vs Rosa ,Shida vs Nyla,Nyla vs Riho hell even even Penelope matches are all great.Swole is the odd one out in having great matches in AEW Tay likes the japanese style(if you check her twitter), Shida also didnt have a good match with Diamante. Yeh but she was raised with WWE-Style Same with Anna,she is great and was trained by Cody. Diamante also made up with others good matches. It sucks but Swole can be sloppy in the ring, just incosistent,if she could fix that she would have all tools to be one of the top girls.
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Post by dpg on Oct 17, 2020 4:35:09 GMT -5
Impact has a smallish KOs roster, but does a lot of stuff with them. AEW has done very little with their womens roster, and doesn't seem interested in changing that despite constantly claiming they will be doing.
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Post by holyshida on Oct 17, 2020 4:42:37 GMT -5
Impact has a smallish KOs roster, but does a lot of stuff with them. AEW has done very little with their womens roster, and doesn't seem interested in changing that despite constantly claiming they will be doing. I believe the Women's division has the talent, they just need more storylines, promos, Vignettes and more featured feuds to make people care. This is how I'd book the next few weeks. Dynamite 21/10 Britt Baker comes out and waits for her opponent, a returning Shanna appears, (if she's still unavailable then Serena Deeb) Baker and Shanna have a solid 7-8 minute match, which Baker wins. After the match Britt cuts an in-ring promo on how she's the face of the division and will take on anyone. Abandons music hits and she slowly crawls to the ring, Britt and Reba look terrified. Britt manages to escape but Reba isn't so lucky and Abadon gives her a Widows peak. The segment finishes with Abadon staring down a terrified Britt Baker. Later in the Show Shanna is being interviewed backstage about her defeat and gives a very emotional interview about how she sacrificed leaving her family to persue her dreams and intends to start climbing the rankings again. She's interupted by Ivelisse who claims to be the new locker room leader and demands Shanna show her respect. Shanna refuses and Ivelisse beats her down backstage with help from Diamante. We also get a 3-4 minute promo package of Shida and Nyla upcoming match at Full-Gear which is announced earlier in the show, both Women give their upcoming thoughts on the match. Altogether you help buildup the title match and create 2 new feuds in Baker/Abadon and Shanna/Ivelisse and that's all done in less than 20 mins combined. Dark 27/10 We need more storyline progression and big women's matches on Dark as well, at least until the 2nd show starts. Penelope Ford and Big Swole give backstage Promos about why they dislike each other during different times of the show. Ford v Serena Deeb - Ford wins in a 7-9 Min match where both Women get to showcase their abillity. Shanna v Jobber - Shanna gets her first win since returning and after the match challenges Ivelisse to a match. Ivelisse v Tay Conti - Ivelisse is interviewed backstage and accepts Shanna's challenge and says that she needs to learn the hard way to respect her. She also says that she's putting the roster on notice starting with Tay Conti. Ivelisse wins in a competitive 7 min match. Dynamite 28/10 Halloween edition, so I'd have Abadon stalking Britt throughout the arena in multiple segments throughout the night, end the night with Britt escaping and having to go into the Jaguars stadium just to escape her. Tag team match - Shida/Shanna v Ivelisse/Diamante - Shida and Shanna win in 10 mins, Ivelisse and Diamante attack Shanna after the match, Shida tries to help but Nyla appears and beats down Shida with a kendo Stick, but the beatdown doesn't end there, Nyla drags Shida to the announce table and powerbombs Shida through the announce table (I would've had this happen last week instead on Nyla standing there like a dumbass). Time to get some heat back into this feud. Brandi is interviewed on the stage and challenges Anna Jay to a match at Full-Gear ( Britt/Abadon, Ford/Swole and Shanna/Ivelisse could've been the 2nd Full-Gear match but Anna/Brandi has been going on longer so went with this) Anna Jay from behind chokes out Brandi and accepts the challenge and leaves her out on the stage, similar to the first time she choked her out. Altogether that's about 12 mins for tag match and post match beatdown, 5 mins for Brandi/Anna segment and about 3 or 4 1-2 min Britt/Abadon segments. So about 20-25 mins total on a 2 hour show. Dark 3/11 Swole v Jobber - Swole wins, Penelope Ford attacks Swole after the match but Swole manages to fight her off. A pissed off Swole is later interviewed backstage and challenges Ford on the Friday night dark. Shanna v Diamante - Shanna wins, which sets up Shanna/Ivelisse on the Friday night Dark. Anna Jay/Tay Conti v Brandi/Red Velvet - Before the match we get an Anna Jay and Tay backstage promo. Anna tells Tay that she needs to decide by the end of the night whether she wants to join the Dark Order. The match is a 7-10 min match with Red Velvet pinning Tay to win the match for her and Brandi. After the match a furious Anna Jay manipulates Tay into joining the Dark Order telling her that she keeps losing in singles and keeps losing the match for them every time they team up and the only way this will turn around is if she joins. Tay reluctantly joins. Dynamite 4/10 Britt Baker cuts a promo from her Dental surgery office explaining that she doesn't feel safe in daily place while Abadon is there. The lights suddenly go out and when they come back on Abadon is in the room. A terrified Britt runs away. We get a 2 minute video recap on what happened on Dark, this should happen every week, this will get more people to watch dark if these dark feuds are promoted more on Dynamite. We also get a 3 minute promo with Anna Jay and Brandi hyping up there match for Full-Gear. Nyla v Deep - Nyla wins pretty decively in 5 mins. After the match Shida returns, still selling her injury from last week. They both start fighting but Nyla gets the better of her and once again leaves Shida beaten down. The segment ends with Nyla holding the title above a battered Shida. Altogether that's about 15 mins all around building up multiple feuds. Dark 6/10 These Special dark episodes before a PPV should have bigger matches on them. Shanna v Ivelisse - This is a good 10 minute fight which Ivelisse wins. Swole v Ford - Ford wins, she needs it more and I think she's got far more potential Anna Jay v Jobber - Anna Jay comes out with Tay by her side. Anna chokes out her opponent in 3 mins and then stares down Brandi at the end of the match who's the special guest commentator. There you go, that's how I'd book the show's until Full-Gear. After Full-Gear I'd have.. Ivelisse challenges Shida for the special Dynamite between Full-Gear and revolution. Britt eventually overcomes Abadon and is then moved into the title picture. Nyla/Abadon "Beast v Monster" feud Swole/Diamante feud Shanna/Penelope feud. Anna Jay and Tay Conti continue there story which eventually leads to a feud between them. All of these feuds and storylines should keep us going until 2021 and then hopefully by then we have Statlander, Riho and Yuka back which opens the door for a whole new set of possibilities. Also I'd have Ivelisse and Diamante join Kingston and the Lucha Bros and get them part of their stable to get them featured on TV even more, and once Tay leaves the Dark Order she can join Jurassic express, this has already been teased. The talent is there, Tony Kahn just needs to get more creative and book these girls in storylines and feuds. f*** if an average fan like myself can come up with this in 30 mins then the company should be coming up with far better. Damn, wasn't expecting this to be so long lol. This isn't perfect but I'm no creative expert, I don't get paid by the hour for this shit.
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