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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 7, 2020 11:18:17 GMT -5
The woman need a minimum of 3 segments a week which I will be generous and include matches NXT at a minimum has two women matches and promo time dedicated to the show. This week had Dakota/Ember, Shotzi/Storm with a new angle involving Candice and a hype video for Io/Rhea finally clashing for the NXT womens title. Impact does even more with their women cause they have multiple segments. The tag titles is out there, you got the womens title in general and women will involve themselves with the "mens titles". Neither show is afraid to end their main events with the women Meanwhile in AEW, you have none of that. As you said where is the sense of adventure for the women. A good 6-8 min womens match isn't a draw. We are way passed that. Where is your significant angles that draws the viewer. For as tired as Bayley/Sasha will they, won't they situation was in this 3 year long feud, the payoff in HIAC delivered It is painfully obvious that AEW don't see women as equal - when WWE features women more than you do, you are f***ing up bad. Even a while back, NXT gave some female signings like Asuka and Ember and even Nia star treatment before they debuted in a way AEW never bothers with Not as much as they don't care but more so as I keep saying, people are only focused on their own base/zone and have no clue how to really book the women They need a vet who will fight for that idea of more segments, better personalities etc which they don't have. It's essentially their version of give women a chance that had to perpetrate WWE for them to finally f***ing get it AEW womens booking is WWE circa 2008 with their women
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2020 12:24:00 GMT -5
Comparing AEW to the other two hour wrestling shows this week, Impact, NXT, and Smackdown.
All there of those shows started with woman’s matches, and in Smackdown and Impact cases they were for the women’s championship.
Smackdown and NXT both had a second woman’s match later in the night. This was a rare week where impact DIDNT have a second woman’s match.
All three shows featured promos and segments highlighting of woman’s talent through out the show (seriously who shot Bravo!?)
I am excited about both woman’s matches tonight, but wished the builds actually existed. Not every build needs to be War and Peace, but the women deserve better than Go, Dog, Go.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2020 12:36:55 GMT -5
Not every story needs to be some multi facited lvl 4000 IQ multi squared layed epic I agree.
But what there needs to be is a clear obvious sense that these women are an actual priority and AEW is very clear in that they are not a priority to them.
NXT makes this clear the women are an absoloute priority week in and week out to that show like already said multiple womens matches weekly , multiple segments highlighting all different feuds and building them up in various ways you care about that roster of women , you know their motivations , what drives each of them and their personalities come through in such a huge way.....Halloween Havoc did so much for Shotzi and she did not even wrestle.
On the flip side....I do not know anything about AEW's womens champion I know she carries around a kendo stick but outside of that I know nothing about her and this is suppose to be the head of this division and she gets like nothing to expand her personality , insight into her motives etc
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Nov 7, 2020 12:40:02 GMT -5
It is painfully obvious that AEW don't see women as equal - when WWE features women more than you do, you are f***ing up bad. Even a while back, NXT gave some female signings like Asuka and Ember and even Nia star treatment before they debuted in a way AEW never bothers with Not as much as they don't care but more so as I keep saying, people are only focused on their own base/zone and have no clue how to really book the women They need a vet who will fight for that idea of more segments, better personalities etc which they don't have. It's essentially their version of give women a chance that had to perpetrate WWE for them to finally f***ing get it AEW womens booking is WWE circa 2008 with their women I'm hoping Deeb raises her voice. I mean, she just came from a company that at least has a consistent showing of women.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 7, 2020 13:02:59 GMT -5
Not as much as they don't care but more so as I keep saying, people are only focused on their own base/zone and have no clue how to really book the women They need a vet who will fight for that idea of more segments, better personalities etc which they don't have. It's essentially their version of give women a chance that had to perpetrate WWE for them to finally f***ing get it AEW womens booking is WWE circa 2008 with their women I'm hoping Deeb raises her voice. I mean, she just came from a company that at least has a consistent showing of women. And the fact she was just a trainer there as well bodes well. She was a big part in training in general and obviously that had to have helped the women who are a big time draw there She might not be part of the creative processes but as a coach you would think her ideas in ring and out could help as even a little help will be better then what it is now
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Post by Hypnosis on Nov 7, 2020 16:57:00 GMT -5
The listed roster from Wikipedia:
Abadon Allie Anna Jay Awesome Kong Big Swole Brandi Rhodes Britt Baker Emi Sakura Hikaru Shida Ivelisse Kris Statlander Leva Bates Mel Nyla Rose Penelope Ford Rebel Riho Serena Deeb Shanna Tay Conti Yuka Sakazaki
Even with Deeb's signing, there's still a depth issue with the faces.
Statlander's out with an ACL injury until late spring/early summer.
Riho and Yuka Sakazaki won't be able to return until travel restrictions from Japan to the U.S. can safely be lifted.
Red Velvet and KiLynn King are still in their early years, and aren't listed on AEW's website or Wikipedia so far.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2020 22:10:20 GMT -5
The listed roster from Wikipedia: Abadon Allie Anna Jay Awesome KongBig Swole Brandi Rhodes Britt Baker Emi SakuraHikaru Shida Ivelisse Kris StatlanderLeva BatesMelNyla Rose Penelope FordRebelRihoSerena Deeb Shanna Tay Conti Yuka SakazakiEven with Deeb's signing, there's still a depth issue with the faces. Statlander's out with an ACL injury until late spring/early summer. Riho and Yuka Sakazaki won't be able to return until travel restrictions from Japan to the U.S. can safely be lifted. Red Velvet and KiLynn King are still in their early years, and aren't listed on AEW's website or Wikipedia so far. Hmm... let's dissect this and see what we can do with the very limited hand we have. First, factor in everything that you mentioned; Kris is out with an injury, Riho & Yuka can't travel (I'm certain Sakura is in a similar spot), and Velvet & King are too green to do anything serious. Next, let's trim the fat immediately; Mel's contract is due at the end of the year, and she may be nice in the back, but she's horrible in the ring, and being someone who has wrestled for over 6 years to still be that incompetent is inexcusable. Let's eliminate her from any further discussions. Period. Then, we gotta come to terms with other women who may not be of value. Awesome Kong is too old and too injury prone to have in any sustainable role, even as an enforcer for another wrestler, so she can't be relied on. And, Rebel wasn't exactly a good wrestler to begin with in Impact Wrestling, not to mention she's been depicted as someone who completely forgot how to wrestle in AEW. Lastly, there are women who can wrestle, and likely should be wrestling, yet are positioned as valets or managers. Leva Bates is one example, and although Penelope Ford started out as an active member of the roster, she has transitioned purely into a managerial role for some reason. Out of that roster you posted from Wikipedia, that leaves on 12 women, with Shanna most likely being in the doghouse (even if she could travel back), so let's be safe and just go with 11. Allie seems to be moving back to a managerial role, with Brandi Rhodes possibly doing the same. Abadon is hurt as of the moment, so we're stuck with 5 heels and 4 faces, fighting over two belts. Serena will probably be stuck mixing it up on Dark with the developmental women and whomever NWA has, so that leaves the Women's Championship to either have Nyla Rose fight Shida and Big Swole over and over again, or Shida to face Britt Baker, in which Baker wins... and faces Shida and Swole over and over again. I'd suggest hiring some ringers, but given how sorry the presentation has been, perhaps it's better to just de-emphasize the AEW Women's Championship for now and give more time to the NWA Women's Championship. At least when Thunder Rosa was around, the matches were longer and there was a bit of a build.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2020 22:12:56 GMT -5
Comparing AEW to the other two hour wrestling shows this week, Impact, NXT, and Smackdown. All there of those shows started with woman’s matches, and in Smackdown and Impact cases they were for the women’s championship. Smackdown and NXT both had a second woman’s match later in the night. This was a rare week where impact DIDNT have a second woman’s match. All three shows featured promos and segments highlighting of woman’s talent through out the show (seriously who shot Bravo!?) I am excited about both woman’s matches tonight, but wished the builds actually existed. Not every build needs to be War and Peace, but the women deserve better than Go, Dog, Go. Cody: *Scoffs* That's in Juvenile. This is Young Adult.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2020 22:44:15 GMT -5
Both woman’s matches delivered tonight. They need to sign Kay if they haven’t already. Great to see Rosa tonight and I’m happy Shida retained. Looks like Rose is going face. Maybe they will build to Shida vs. Baker soon.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 7, 2020 22:47:59 GMT -5
Kay and Rosa need to be sured up, at the very least you need Kay as a backup.
But yeah the matches tonight showed the girls need more time.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Nov 7, 2020 22:48:23 GMT -5
Sign Kay, Rosa & Hirsch and then elevate some of the DARK talent like Red Velvet, Conti and Kilynn King. They have the talent there but need to just do better by those that they have.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 7, 2020 22:49:45 GMT -5
Sign Kay, Rose & Hirsch and then elevate some of the DARK talent like Red Velvet, Conti and Kilynn King. They have the talent there but need to just do better by those that they have. Velvet vs Conti was signed for Dynamite this week Hirsch seems to be signed via some social media posts but not confirmed yet.
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Post by chrom on Nov 7, 2020 22:54:43 GMT -5
They had two great women's matches tonight.
It's a small start
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Post by chrom on Nov 8, 2020 0:20:16 GMT -5
Safe to say there will finally be a change in the women's rankings
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 8, 2020 0:23:44 GMT -5
They had two great women's matches tonight. It's a small start Deeb could be the Malenko of this division, such crisp technical wrestling Shida and Nyla have proven their worth, Shida has proven why she should be on TV every week if not most every week Kay proved why she should be signed. Rosa already has, but that's up to her. Kay should be signed as a backup plan anyway I'm glad Conti/Velvet is happening to further the Brandi/Anna stuff finally, I hope we get more development outside of that this week.
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Post by Harry The Arrow was Wrong! on Nov 8, 2020 0:40:35 GMT -5
Hey AEW, you see that performance tonight? That is why Shida should be on tv every week. Get to work on that asap
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2020 0:57:33 GMT -5
I loved Shidas new gear tonight.
Also can they not announce dark results and tickets being on sale firing the womans title matches.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 8, 2020 0:58:03 GMT -5
Hey AEW, you see that performance tonight? That is why Shida should be on tv every week. Get to work on that asap If not matches, at least segments, she doesn't even need to be the one who has to talk. Just have stuff happening. That being said, Shida/Baker II please.
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Post by chrom on Nov 8, 2020 0:59:16 GMT -5
Thunder Rosa doesn't look to be done with AEW
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Post by Harry The Arrow was Wrong! on Nov 8, 2020 1:01:19 GMT -5
Hey AEW, you see that performance tonight? That is why Shida should be on tv every week. Get to work on that asap If not matches, at least segments, she doesn't even need to be the one who has to talk. Just have stuff happening. That being said, Shida/Baker II please. Yep exactly. Just devote some time is all. Just build some stuff. The talent is there
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