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Post by holyshida on Nov 10, 2020 8:35:37 GMT -5
Hopefully she isn't gone for too long if this is true. That would obviously be a massive blow for the division. If that's the case I'd have her vacate the title and have a tournament to determine the new champion, with the final taking place at Revolution. That way you can have integrate several feuds while keeping the tournament and title scene going at the same time. Vacating the title is a horrible idea Someone needs to go over Shida and get that heat. If she vacates the title no one gets over because by the time Shida comes back the heat she had as champion will be gone She puts someone over before she leaves and when she comes back she can rebuild herself to top position again and have a person to feed off (whoever defeated her) The way I see it having a tournament will help showcase more of the women, while at the same time developing more storylines. Plus you can have someone "injure" Shida, which causes her to vacate the title which gets heat on the person that way without having to beat her.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 10, 2020 8:47:31 GMT -5
Vacating the title is a horrible idea Someone needs to go over Shida and get that heat. If she vacates the title no one gets over because by the time Shida comes back the heat she had as champion will be gone She puts someone over before she leaves and when she comes back she can rebuild herself to top position again and have a person to feed off (whoever defeated her) The way I see it having a tournament will help showcase more of the women, while at the same time developing more storylines. Plus you can have someone "injure" Shida, which causes her to vacate the title which gets heat on the person that way without having to beat her. That’s still not going to work. She’s the champ and been the most dominant champ since they started. For her to get “injured” is not the proper way to put someone over. Wrestling is about wins and losses and eventually you got to take that L cause that’s the maximum way to put someone over. Shida doesn’t need to retain heat if she’s going to be gone a month or longer In regards to the tournament, just giving them 5 min matches isn’t going to work. We just went through this with the tag tournament for the women which did minimal for them. The women need time and most importantly character work. I don’t even like Britt winning the title off Shida but if she’s leaving you strap her up. Just having a tournament for the sake of the championship isn’t enough. For as good as Shida is, she has no character. That should be the aim of AEW. You can showcase diff women week to week like it seems like they are going to do this week but people besides Britt need promo time which a tournament can’t fix
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Post by holyshida on Nov 10, 2020 8:58:34 GMT -5
The way I see it having a tournament will help showcase more of the women, while at the same time developing more storylines. Plus you can have someone "injure" Shida, which causes her to vacate the title which gets heat on the person that way without having to beat her. That’s still not going to work. She’s the champ and been the most dominant champ since they started. For her to get “injured” is not the proper way to put someone over. Wrestling is about wins and losses and eventually you got to take that L cause that’s the maximum way to put someone over. Shida doesn’t need to retain heat if she’s going to be gone a month or longer In regards to the tournament, just giving them 5 min matches isn’t going to work. We just went through this with the tag tournament for the women which did minimal for them. The women need time and most importantly character work. I don’t even like Britt winning the title off Shida but if she’s leaving you strap her up. Just having a tournament for the sake of the championship isn’t enough. For as good as Shida is, she has no character. That should be the aim of AEW. You can showcase diff women week to week like it seems like they are going to do this week but people besides Britt need promo time which a tournament can’t fix Britt still blames Shida for injuring her and putting her out of action for nearly 5 months, plus last time they faced Shida broke her nose, so storyline wise it would make complete sense for Britt to get revenge and do the same thing. Plus it adds more layers to their rivalry. Britt "injuring" Shida and causing her to relinquish the title gives her far more heat than just beating her. You can then have her defeat Deeb in the QF, Nyla in the SF then Thunder Rosa in the final at Revolution, which would also give Britt a lot more credibility since she's beat tough opponents. Then after she wins title Shida returns for revenge and challenges Britt at double or Nothing for the title that she never lost. That's far better than what you're suggesting. You get a long-term blood feud with Britt and Shida with many layers to it with them putting eachother out of action for a significant length of time, plus you can develop other storylines in the tournament if it's booked correctly.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 10, 2020 9:18:28 GMT -5
That’s still not going to work. She’s the champ and been the most dominant champ since they started. For her to get “injured” is not the proper way to put someone over. Wrestling is about wins and losses and eventually you got to take that L cause that’s the maximum way to put someone over. Shida doesn’t need to retain heat if she’s going to be gone a month or longer In regards to the tournament, just giving them 5 min matches isn’t going to work. We just went through this with the tag tournament for the women which did minimal for them. The women need time and most importantly character work. I don’t even like Britt winning the title off Shida but if she’s leaving you strap her up. Just having a tournament for the sake of the championship isn’t enough. For as good as Shida is, she has no character. That should be the aim of AEW. You can showcase diff women week to week like it seems like they are going to do this week but people besides Britt need promo time which a tournament can’t fix Britt still blames Shida for injuring her and putting her out of action for nearly 5 months, plus last time they faced Shida broke her nose, so storyline wise it would make complete sense for Britt to get revenge and do the same thing. Plus it adds more layers to their rivalry. Britt "injuring" Shida and causing her to relinquish the title gives her far more heat than just beating her. You can then have her defeat Deeb in the QF, Nyla in the SF then Thunder Rosa in the final at Revolution, which would also give Britt a lot more credibility since she's beat tough opponents. Then after she wins title Shida returns for revenge and challenges Britt at double or Nothing for the title that she never lost. That's far better than what you're suggesting. You get a long-term blood feud with Britt and Shida with many layers to it with them putting eachother out of action for a significant length of time, plus you can develop other storylines in the tournament if it's booked correctly. So, you have Shida lose to Britt decisively and injure her on the way out. It makes no logical sense to have Britt injure Shida when she is by far the best option for number 1 contender Britt gains a ton by doing something no one can do in taking out Shida and in brutal fashion. Not only did she injure the champ, she took the title off her. That's maximum heat. Shida has revenge on the mind when she comes back and a purpose to train for Don't know why you're so insistent she doesn't drop the title. It makes no sense whatsoever
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Post by holyshida on Nov 10, 2020 9:48:04 GMT -5
Britt still blames Shida for injuring her and putting her out of action for nearly 5 months, plus last time they faced Shida broke her nose, so storyline wise it would make complete sense for Britt to get revenge and do the same thing. Plus it adds more layers to their rivalry. Britt "injuring" Shida and causing her to relinquish the title gives her far more heat than just beating her. You can then have her defeat Deeb in the QF, Nyla in the SF then Thunder Rosa in the final at Revolution, which would also give Britt a lot more credibility since she's beat tough opponents. Then after she wins title Shida returns for revenge and challenges Britt at double or Nothing for the title that she never lost. That's far better than what you're suggesting. You get a long-term blood feud with Britt and Shida with many layers to it with them putting eachother out of action for a significant length of time, plus you can develop other storylines in the tournament if it's booked correctly. So, you have Shida lose to Britt decisively and injure her on the way out. It makes no logical sense to have Britt injure Shida when she is by far the best option for number 1 contender Britt gains a ton by doing something no one can do in taking out Shida and in brutal fashion. Not only did she injure the champ, she took the title off her. That's maximum heat. Shida has revenge on the mind when she comes back and a purpose to train for Don't know why you're so insistent she doesn't drop the title. It makes no sense whatsoever It makes perfect sense. Having Britt dominate Shida makes no sense.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 10, 2020 9:51:03 GMT -5
So, you have Shida lose to Britt decisively and injure her on the way out. It makes no logical sense to have Britt injure Shida when she is by far the best option for number 1 contender Britt gains a ton by doing something no one can do in taking out Shida and in brutal fashion. Not only did she injure the champ, she took the title off her. That's maximum heat. Shida has revenge on the mind when she comes back and a purpose to train for Don't know why you're so insistent she doesn't drop the title. It makes no sense whatsoever It makes perfect sense. Having Britt dominate Shida makes no sense. We going to agree to disagree cause i'm not following your logic. It's okay for Britt to injure Shida and have her relinquish the title. However, it is not okay for Britt to beat Shida for the title and injure her
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Post by holyshida on Nov 10, 2020 10:02:29 GMT -5
It makes perfect sense. Having Britt dominate Shida makes no sense. We going to agree to disagree cause i'm not following your logic. It's okay for Britt to injure Shida and have her relinquish the title. However, it is not okay for Britt to beat Shida for the title and injure her For me just injuring her gets more heat on her and makes the feud more interesting when Shida returns. Britt just beating her on an episode of Dynamite kinda loses that heat, you want the big blowoff match to happen after she returns and it'll more anticipated that way. Britt will still look pretty dominant as she'll beat Deeb, Nyla and Thunder Rosa in the tournament to win the title. The endgame in the rivalry should be a match at double or nothing with Shida wanting revenge for injuring her, while Britt still hates Shida for injuring her back in May. That to me is perfect long-term storytelling.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Nov 10, 2020 15:52:23 GMT -5
They also can't use the "we only have 2 hours" argument as an excuse, because so do Impact & NXT, and last I checked...those 2 manage to do a very good job with their divisions.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 10, 2020 16:58:53 GMT -5
They also can't use the "we only have 2 hours" argument as an excuse, because so do Impact & NXT, and last I checked...those 2 manage to do a very good job with their divisions. They do have a bulk of talent they want to showcase. I do think it would be better managed with that second show. Going off Khan's comments during his media scrum and Podcast he seems very aware how the girls need more time. It's probably gonna come time where he sees some feuds or programs can either take a week break or go through a segment/recap heading into the next week while you focus a bit more on the girls. If you wanna have two titles you kinda have to.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Nov 10, 2020 20:16:50 GMT -5
They also can't use the "we only have 2 hours" argument as an excuse, because so do Impact & NXT, and last I checked...those 2 manage to do a very good job with their divisions. They do have a bulk of talent they want to showcase. That appears to not include women. That's kinda been the issue here, AEW has so many talents that work with them I understand why it's hard to juggle, but I don't think anyone would be upset at shaving off a few minutes here and there from an Angelo Evans match to show us more of the women's division regularly. I think the problem with AEW isn't so much who they feature or book, but the investment they try to indicate to fans. I hate to manifest the joshi-centric character I give off, but as a reference point--TJPW is getting a lot of hype for putting on the show of the year, and having a MOTYC in Yuka Sakazaki vs. Mizuki (saw it live btw, so good!), but that happens because that match got over 20 minutes, had a super tear-jerking emotional promo vid detailing their history. Yuka and Mizuki are both people AEW has access to, but it's hard to believe that if that same match happened there, it wouldn't be shaved by 15 minutes and have a build of Excalibur saying "well these two know each other". Like, I don't personally think highly of Shida or Baker or whoever the top AEW women wrestlers are, but if you can present me with a creative reason to care about them, week to week, I'm all in, but you gotta devote more time.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 10, 2020 20:46:33 GMT -5
Dreamgirl Ellie looked really nice tonight, good gear and she's be a perfect underdog babyface
Jennacide has a perfect size and an immediate look similar to the likes of Abadon though. She's green but she's someone who I think they need to look into.
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Post by Dub H on Nov 10, 2020 20:48:57 GMT -5
They do have a bulk of talent they want to showcase. That appears to not include women. That's kinda been the issue here, AEW has so many talents that work with them I understand why it's hard to juggle, but I don't think anyone would be upset at shaving off a few minutes here and there from an Angelo Evans match to show us more of the women's division regularly. I think the problem with AEW isn't so much who they feature or book, but the investment they try to indicate to fans. I hate to manifest the joshi-centric character I give off, but as a reference point--TJPW is getting a lot of hype for putting on the show of the year, and having a MOTYC in Yuka Sakazaki vs. Mizuki (saw it live btw, so good!), but that happens because that match got over 20 minutes, had a super tear-jerking emotional promo vid detailing their history. Yuka and Mizuki are both people AEW has access to, but it's hard to believe that if that same match happened there, it wouldn't be shaved by 15 minutes and have a build of Excalibur saying "well these two know each other". Like, I don't personally think highly of Shida or Baker or whoever the top AEW women wrestlers are, but if you can present me with a creative reason to care about them, week to week, I'm all in, but you gotta devote more time. Except all Joshi were having well built feuds before the pandemic.They were clearly high on them.Not saying it would be as good as Yuka vs Mizuki was since that took a lot of built and effort,but they clearly cared. The current issue feels like there is no one they want to focus on from the division and wanting to showcase their strongest division more(the tag division),which creates a "rich gets richer,poorer get poorer" effect if not managed well. Kinda in the flip side, NXT has a really bad tag division but a heavily featured Women's Division,their main draw
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 10, 2020 21:00:31 GMT -5
The fact Abadon, Heidi Howitzer, and Jennacide are all from the same promotion (Rocky Mountain Pro) is insane.
Talk about a promotion that knows how to make looks.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Nov 10, 2020 21:03:15 GMT -5
The fact Abadon, Heidi Howitzer, and Jennacide are all from the same promotion (Rocky Mountain Pro) is insane. Talk about a promotion that knows how to make looks. And were a trio as well.
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Post by chrom on Nov 10, 2020 21:04:39 GMT -5
Jenna and Ellie had looks that made them stand out tonight from the other girls that've been on Dark.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 10, 2020 21:06:01 GMT -5
Jenna and Ellie had looks that made them stand out tonight from the other girls that've been on Dark. They're definitely scouting girls to sign. Hirsch, Savannah Evans, Jennacide, Dreamgirl Ellie, At the very least they're scouting for the division I can say that much
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Nov 10, 2020 21:07:59 GMT -5
Sign Jenna and Heidi Hotwitzer so I can get my cyborg, postapocalyptic road warrior babe and zombie tag team.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Nov 10, 2020 21:16:33 GMT -5
The scouting is...particular. They seem to be looking at a very particular tier of young and promising workers who are successful in their local indies but haven't had a huge break elsewise - Kenzie Paige, Elayna Black, and Abadon being the big examples. This is the same background as Britt Baker, so it's not a bad tactic at all.
But then, they also give the tryout treatment to a Beyond star like Leyla Hirsch who just got some buzz off of the Collective, or to an honest-to-goodness top free agent like Allysin Kay. Thunder Rosa is the only woman who's debuted this year who actually got hype beforehand, won her first match, and looked like a star who could shake things up...yet women who are even a little below her in notoriety (like, y'know, the woman she had her big NWA breakout feud and match with) get the very particular treatment of "job to the champion with little hype beforehand, so that we can push you afterwards if we want but don't have to commit to you."
It...really, really gives the sense that they don't think there is a single woman available who is worth investment out of the gate, and given the wrestlers within their reach, that just contributes to the sense of lack of care.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Nov 10, 2020 21:26:22 GMT -5
That appears to not include women. That's kinda been the issue here, AEW has so many talents that work with them I understand why it's hard to juggle, but I don't think anyone would be upset at shaving off a few minutes here and there from an Angelo Evans match to show us more of the women's division regularly. I think the problem with AEW isn't so much who they feature or book, but the investment they try to indicate to fans. I hate to manifest the joshi-centric character I give off, but as a reference point--TJPW is getting a lot of hype for putting on the show of the year, and having a MOTYC in Yuka Sakazaki vs. Mizuki (saw it live btw, so good!), but that happens because that match got over 20 minutes, had a super tear-jerking emotional promo vid detailing their history. Yuka and Mizuki are both people AEW has access to, but it's hard to believe that if that same match happened there, it wouldn't be shaved by 15 minutes and have a build of Excalibur saying "well these two know each other". Like, I don't personally think highly of Shida or Baker or whoever the top AEW women wrestlers are, but if you can present me with a creative reason to care about them, week to week, I'm all in, but you gotta devote more time. Except all Joshi were having well built feuds before the pandemic. Were they? Legit asking. Yuka and Riho having a rivalry that amounts to staring at someone after a match isn’t a rivalry, especially when they can only be there a few days at a month. Not trying to be a dick so sorry if I come across that way but I feel like “well built” is a stretch, dude. Riho as champ was shuffled to Dark when she could have been on Dynamite and Yuka, who can’t be around as much, was exactly in the middle of what build? You say it can’t be as good as that match because it took build and effort—is build and effort not possible for AEW?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2020 21:57:16 GMT -5
They also can't use the "we only have 2 hours" argument as an excuse, because so do Impact & NXT, and last I checked...those 2 manage to do a very good job with their divisions. Impact second week in a row where there was only one women’s match but it opened the show and other women were featured through out. There’s two woman’s matches at this weekends ppv and they’re starting the woman’s tag title tournament next week.
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