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Post by kingoftheindies on Nov 10, 2020 22:44:12 GMT -5
The scouting is...particular. They seem to be looking at a very particular tier of young and promising workers who are successful in their local indies but haven't had a huge break elsewise - Kenzie Paige, Elayna Black, and Abadon being the big examples. This is the same background as Britt Baker, so it's not a bad tactic at all. But then, they also give the tryout treatment to a Beyond star like Leyla Hirsch who just got some buzz off of the Collective, or to an honest-to-goodness top free agent like Allysin Kay. Thunder Rosa is the only woman who's debuted this year who actually got hype beforehand, won her first match, and looked like a star who could shake things up...yet women who are even a little below her in notoriety (like, y'know, the woman she had her big NWA breakout feud and match with) get the very particular treatment of "job to the champion with little hype beforehand, so that we can push you afterwards if we want but don't have to commit to you." It...really, really gives the sense that they don't think there is a single woman available who is worth investment out of the gate, and given the wrestlers within their reach, that just contributes to the sense of lack of care. I think right now the best thing for AEW to do is to start over from scratch with the women. Sign some of the girls you've been using on Dark let them train with Dustin and QT and when you have an idea of what you want to do. Start using them. Is that a defense of how the division has been handled? No. But between outside the ring drama, injuries, and some sloppy performances that were meant to be showcases, I think its the best thing to do. I've honestly liked a lot of the girls who have been given a bit of a spotlight on Dark. Get them trained up a bit and revamp the division rather than just giving Shida/Britt/Nyla/Swole token matches. Again not the best solution but I think its better than just half assing. Maybe do a highlight match or 2 on Dynamite until you have the girls ready.
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Post by Dub H on Nov 10, 2020 23:36:58 GMT -5
Except all Joshi were having well built feuds before the pandemic. Were they? Legit asking. Yuka and Riho having a rivalry that amounts to staring at someone after a match isn’t a rivalry, especially when they can only be there a few days at a month. Not trying to be a dick so sorry if I come across that way but I feel like “well built” is a stretch, dude. Riho as champ was shuffled to Dark when she could have been on Dynamite and Yuka, who can’t be around as much, was exactly in the middle of what build? You say it can’t be as good as that match because it took build and effort—is build and effort not possible for AEW? Yuka was on an ongoing feud with britt baker, where Yuka overshadowed her an Britt had a viscious attack on her. Riho was hardly shuffled to dark ,she was probably the champion to least appear on Dark i at very least cant rememebr a single match of her on Dark, she was arguably the woman that got most screen time. She always had a feud,she had a teacher-student one that I admit was lackluster,she has some plenty of time with Nyla and her feud with Penelope & Kip was still ongoing until pandemic canceled, sometimes mixing up with Kenny.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 10, 2020 23:55:21 GMT -5
The scouting is...particular. They seem to be looking at a very particular tier of young and promising workers who are successful in their local indies but haven't had a huge break elsewise - Kenzie Paige, Elayna Black, and Abadon being the big examples. This is the same background as Britt Baker, so it's not a bad tactic at all. But then, they also give the tryout treatment to a Beyond star like Leyla Hirsch who just got some buzz off of the Collective, or to an honest-to-goodness top free agent like Allysin Kay. Thunder Rosa is the only woman who's debuted this year who actually got hype beforehand, won her first match, and looked like a star who could shake things up...yet women who are even a little below her in notoriety (like, y'know, the woman she had her big NWA breakout feud and match with) get the very particular treatment of "job to the champion with little hype beforehand, so that we can push you afterwards if we want but don't have to commit to you." It...really, really gives the sense that they don't think there is a single woman available who is worth investment out of the gate, and given the wrestlers within their reach, that just contributes to the sense of lack of care. I think right now the best thing for AEW to do is to start over from scratch with the women. Sign some of the girls you've been using on Dark let them train with Dustin and QT and when you have an idea of what you want to do. Start using them.Already being done. Dustin, QT, and Billy have been training the girls for months now. That's why the likes of KiLyn King, Red Velvet, Abadon, and more have clearly improved in the ring and even gotten in better physical shape. They're absolutely prepping for a wave of young talent and have been for some time.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Nov 11, 2020 0:05:13 GMT -5
Were they? Legit asking. Yuka and Riho having a rivalry that amounts to staring at someone after a match isn’t a rivalry, especially when they can only be there a few days at a month. Not trying to be a dick so sorry if I come across that way but I feel like “well built” is a stretch, dude. Riho as champ was shuffled to Dark when she could have been on Dynamite and Yuka, who can’t be around as much, was exactly in the middle of what build? You say it can’t be as good as that match because it took build and effort—is build and effort not possible for AEW? Yuka was on an ongoing feud with britt baker, where Yuka overshadowed her an Britt had a viscious attack on her. Riho was hardly shuffled to dark ,she was probably the champion to least appear on Dark i at very least cant rememebr a single match of her on Dark, she was arguably the woman that got most screen time. She always had a feud,she had a teacher-student one that I admit was lackluster,she has some plenty of time with Nyla and her feud with Penelope & Kip was still ongoing until pandemic canceled, sometimes mixing up with Kenny. She had appearances on Dark while champion - a tag match alongside Baker and a quick get-her-win-back match with Shoko Nakajima. Not counting the Jericruise match because that was kind of a special circumstance all around. And like...there were problems with Riho's presentation, mostly that they did little to nothing to promote her when she was offscreen (which was often). That can be forgiven somewhat since all indications are that she was a backup plan for the first champion, but it's kind of worse in retrospect now that it feels like Shida's reign has had all of the same problems of Riho's despite Shida being right there every week.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2020 0:08:28 GMT -5
AEW could very easily shave off a few minutes here, few minutes there from random matches and segments to fit the women in more prominently. The only thing stopping them is that they don't want to.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Nov 11, 2020 0:17:23 GMT -5
Were they? Legit asking. Yuka and Riho having a rivalry that amounts to staring at someone after a match isn’t a rivalry, especially when they can only be there a few days at a month. Not trying to be a dick so sorry if I come across that way but I feel like “well built” is a stretch, dude. Riho as champ was shuffled to Dark when she could have been on Dynamite and Yuka, who can’t be around as much, was exactly in the middle of what build? You say it can’t be as good as that match because it took build and effort—is build and effort not possible for AEW? Yuka was on an ongoing feud with britt baker, where Yuka overshadowed her an Britt had a viscious attack on her. Riho was hardly shuffled to dark ,she was probably the champion to least appear on Dark i at very least cant rememebr a single match of her on Dark, she was arguably the woman that got most screen time. She always had a feud,she had a teacher-student one that I admit was lackluster,she has some plenty of time with Nyla and her feud with Penelope & Kip was still ongoing until pandemic canceled, sometimes mixing up with Kenny. Yeah let’s just agree to disagree here.
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Post by Dub H on Nov 11, 2020 1:01:35 GMT -5
Yuka was on an ongoing feud with britt baker, where Yuka overshadowed her an Britt had a viscious attack on her. Riho was hardly shuffled to dark ,she was probably the champion to least appear on Dark i at very least cant rememebr a single match of her on Dark, she was arguably the woman that got most screen time. She always had a feud,she had a teacher-student one that I admit was lackluster,she has some plenty of time with Nyla and her feud with Penelope & Kip was still ongoing until pandemic canceled, sometimes mixing up with Kenny. She had appearances on Dark while champion - a tag match alongside Baker and a quick get-her-win-back match with Shoko Nakajima. Not counting the Jericruise match because that was kind of a special circumstance all around. And like...there were problems with Riho's presentation, mostly that they did little to nothing to promote her when she was offscreen (which was often). That can be forgiven somewhat since all indications are that she was a backup plan for the first champion, but it's kind of worse in retrospect now that it feels like Shida's reign has had all of the same problems of Riho's despite Shida being right there every week. I will agree they could have done more with her presentation,even if she was popular,it is a fact she was a heavily featured woman that always had a storyline going.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Nov 11, 2020 1:09:46 GMT -5
Yuka was on an ongoing feud with britt baker, where Yuka overshadowed her an Britt had a viscious attack on her. Riho was hardly shuffled to dark ,she was probably the champion to least appear on Dark i at very least cant rememebr a single match of her on Dark, she was arguably the woman that got most screen time. She always had a feud,she had a teacher-student one that I admit was lackluster,she has some plenty of time with Nyla and her feud with Penelope & Kip was still ongoing until pandemic canceled, sometimes mixing up with Kenny. She had appearances on Dark while champion - a tag match alongside Baker and a quick get-her-win-back match with Shoko Nakajima. Not counting the Jericruise match because that was kind of a special circumstance all around. And like...there were problems with Riho's presentation, mostly that they did little to nothing to promote her when she was offscreen (which was often). That can be forgiven somewhat since all indications are that she was a backup plan for the first champion, but it's kind of worse in retrospect now that it feels like Shida's reign has had all of the same problems of Riho's despite Shida being right there every week. Riho’s reign was submarined by them never putting any real feature on her or other women. Stardom is using her a ton more and they don’t even value her above mid card level. It’s clearly not the talent, but the company.
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Post by romanstylesiii on Nov 11, 2020 1:53:24 GMT -5
The women's division is a place where they need to get one (or more) of the WWE's top women to jump.
The pool of women wrestlers may be much bigger than it used to be, but overall it's still not that big, and it seems the WWE has almost all the best one's in the world
They also need to do better with character development. With the exception of Britt Baker, they all come off as generic
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Nov 11, 2020 7:03:18 GMT -5
The women's division is a place where they need to get one (or more) of the WWE's top women to jump. The pool of women wrestlers may be much bigger than it used to be, but overall it's still not that big, and it seems the WWE has almost all the best one's in the world They also need to do better with character development. With the exception of Britt Baker, they all come off as generic I think I’ve said this before, but this is where WWE neglecting women’s wrestling for so long really led to there being no pool of ready-made star free agents to pick from, because WWE never pushed the division hard enough to create any after 2000 or so (other than Trish Stratus and Lita, who got the Attitude Era buff). And most of those that were presented as their aces since are either retired (AJ Lee, Paige), still in WWE in other roles (Beth Phoenix) or the type that most wouldn’t want to see in AEW anyway (Kelly Kelly).
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Post by AwamoriRock on Nov 11, 2020 8:31:47 GMT -5
Were they? Legit asking. Yuka and Riho having a rivalry that amounts to staring at someone after a match isn’t a rivalry, especially when they can only be there a few days at a month. Not trying to be a dick so sorry if I come across that way but I feel like “well built” is a stretch, dude. Riho as champ was shuffled to Dark when she could have been on Dynamite and Yuka, who can’t be around as much, was exactly in the middle of what build? You say it can’t be as good as that match because it took build and effort—is build and effort not possible for AEW? Yuka was on an ongoing feud with britt baker, where Yuka overshadowed her an Britt had a viscious attack on her. Riho was hardly shuffled to dark ,she was probably the champion to least appear on Dark i at very least cant rememebr a single match of her on Dark, she was arguably the woman that got most screen time. She always had a feud,she had a teacher-student one that I admit was lackluster,she has some plenty of time with Nyla and her feud with Penelope & Kip was still ongoing until pandemic canceled, sometimes mixing up with Kenny. Illustrious honor, unless we go back a couple weeks to Shida on Dark. That's anecdotal and not your fault, but that doesn't really speak highly of Dark. If the screen time is lacking, and the person who gets the most is "arguably" getting the most, what does that matter? Always--this example is one where you say it wasn't great and can't name who it was with. You are right though, there was no build and at the very end they Tweeted out how the two knew each other and commentary tried to piece it together.
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Post by markymark on Nov 11, 2020 9:34:30 GMT -5
Swole is ranked number 1 again and Serena made it to 4th in the rankings.
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Post by Hypnosis on Nov 11, 2020 11:02:51 GMT -5
This week's Dynamite lists MJF/Inner Circle and Cody promos.
Those usually go longer than five minutes, which may leave the women without much time to showcase their characters on Dynamite yet again.
I hope something develops out of the Conti/Red Velvet match at least.
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Post by mrpeacock on Nov 11, 2020 11:09:38 GMT -5
Abadon is 5-1. How is she not in the rankings? I know she got hurt but Penelope Ford hasn’t wrestled since September and she’s still inexplicably ranked. The ranking system really needs work.
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Post by chrom on Nov 11, 2020 11:13:10 GMT -5
First time there's been a change in the rankings in months
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Post by Dub H on Nov 11, 2020 11:18:59 GMT -5
Yuka was on an ongoing feud with britt baker, where Yuka overshadowed her an Britt had a viscious attack on her. Riho was hardly shuffled to dark ,she was probably the champion to least appear on Dark i at very least cant rememebr a single match of her on Dark, she was arguably the woman that got most screen time. She always had a feud,she had a teacher-student one that I admit was lackluster,she has some plenty of time with Nyla and her feud with Penelope & Kip was still ongoing until pandemic canceled, sometimes mixing up with Kenny. Illustrious honor, unless we go back a couple weeks to Shida on Dark. That's anecdotal and not your fault, but that doesn't really speak highly of Dark. If the screen time is lacking, and the person who gets the most is "arguably" getting the most, what does that matter? Always--this example is one where you say it wasn't great and can't name who it was with. You are right though, there was no build and at the very end they Tweeted out how the two knew each other and commentary tried to piece it together. Honestly I will keave the topic because at rhis point yoi are being a pedantic smarmy bitch and ignoring things like where I acknolwedge the Emi feud was lacking and thay I just didnt bother posting her name.Like being pedantic about the use of arguably( which I only placed because Britt was also heavily featured),seriously dude. So have a good dag
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Post by Harry The Arrow was Wrong! on Nov 11, 2020 11:35:30 GMT -5
Really don't need to see Swole in another title match
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Nov 11, 2020 12:04:14 GMT -5
Abadon is 5-1. How is she not in the rankings? I know she got hurt but Penelope Ford hasn’t wrestled since September and she’s still inexplicably ranked. The ranking system really needs work. Quality of wins. She's mainly squashed people on Dark. Same reason why the Gunn Club isn't ranked despite having a good record. Very college football kind of system. And honestly, I'd rather hold off on Abadon challenging anyways. She needs some seasoning still, in-ring and as a character in AEW. Once she's ready though, she could be a dominant champ in the future. Abadon is a special attraction, in that she's so unique compared to everyone else that when she does show up, it needs to be in a feud and as a heavily featured wrestler.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Nov 11, 2020 12:06:10 GMT -5
Abadon is 5-1. How is she not in the rankings? I know she got hurt but Penelope Ford hasn’t wrestled since September and she’s still inexplicably ranked. The ranking system really needs work. You could argue that she has more recent wins since Abadon hasn't had an official match since August. She also has more impressive wins this year (beating Riho and pinning Shida in a tag match).
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Post by Celgress on Nov 11, 2020 12:41:35 GMT -5
I just want to say that the Women's matches on Dark last night were fantastic, especially the tag team bout. PS AEW should really have given Diamante and Ivelisse Women's Tag Team Belts (rather than those gaudy metals) so they could defend their titles thus building the division.
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