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Post by AwamoriRock on Nov 11, 2020 22:45:21 GMT -5
Why would the woman who are not signed get more focus? Like you're may be right but that's absurd. And why would Tony admit that and then do nothing about it? He's a promoter in wrestling, they'll say what you want to hear even if they don't care to act on it Riho, Shojo, and Yuka are signed in some way, as far as I am aware. They kinda just split their time or were supposed to, in their deals. Tony still has time to act on it, but he really needs to look at the girls, and if he likes booking shit in advance, do it. Yuka and Shoko are pretty much TJPW through and through, but TJPW is obviously cooperative (and even outspoken) about letting them be used when they don't have prior bookings and being an ally to AEW. The issue is TJPW puts on multiple shows a week and unless a wrestler was to quit or move, they still can only be sprinkled in here and there, which isn't that bad but you'd still have to book around it and up your own inhouse roster. They recently put their international title on a wrestler who speaks fluent English so maybe that's a good sign though. Riho is interesting. When she has wrestled outside of Stardom (DDT, random produce shows, Chocopro etc.) she is billed as AEW for her home promotion, but in Stardom they skirt around it a bit.
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Post by Dub H on Nov 12, 2020 1:24:34 GMT -5
I actually think focusin on non-baker woman is good.But dont just shove ehr everyweek and then disappear her,have alternate weeks or something.
But I will agree with people saying they should have dropped Sky vs Spears. And I like spears but that match would be better serviced building up some of the girls
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Post by holyshida on Nov 12, 2020 2:03:14 GMT -5
Some Positives and Negatives after tonight.
Positives : Both Red Velvet and Tay Conti delivered tonight and both have a lot of potential.
They seem to be finally moving forward with the Anna/Tay storyline, finally.
Negatives : No Shida at all. If she's not going to be in the ring then do a promo or something.
Too much overexposing of Brandi, she's hogging the spotlight constantly. Plus She needs to end her feud with Anna Jay first before moving on to Jade Cargill and Anna Jay will move on to Tay, but at least finish the feud first.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 12, 2020 2:18:51 GMT -5
I actually think focusin on non-baker woman is good.But dont just shove ehr everyweek and then disappear her,have alternate weeks or something. But I will agree with people saying they should have dropped Sky vs Spears. And I like spears but that match would be better serviced building up some of the girls I was honestly thinking they'd just do Sky/Spears on DARK, but I mean for what it was it was fine, maybe not a PPV Fallout show match though (and it wasn't supposed to be) I'm still wondering if Baker's a hundred percent or not yet. Like she wasn't when she lost to Swole and then had some quick squashes after the fact. She might be trying to not rush things. That or theyre waiting to deploy her for a bigger storyline. There is frankly way too much women content to be had to not give them more time. You have Shida who needs a new challenger, you have Brandi/Anna Jay, you have NWA Champion Serena Deeb, you had the return of Thunder Rosa on The Buy-In, you have La Sicaria's, Abadon, Swole and Ford ready to use at any time, you have now established managerial tension with Vickie and Nyla after she failed at Full Gear These things can't be ignored, you at least need recaps, and then maybe set something up for next week. Tay/Velvet was good, you continued to hint at the Dark Order stuff which was also good, but if Khan's gonna make due on his vow to give the women more time and focus on them more, then the women need to get more. Though I do appreciate that in hour one, they gave Jade Cagill and Brandi a lot of time. Jade looks like an investment, and if she pays off, it's good for the division.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 12, 2020 2:21:27 GMT -5
Some Positives and Negatives after tonight. Positives : Both Red Velvet and Tay Conti delivered tonight and both have a lot of potential. They seem to be finally moving forward with the Anna/Tay storyline, finally. Negatives : No Shida at all. If she's not going to be in the ring then do a promo or something. Too much overexposing of Brandi, she's hogging the spotlight constantly. Plus She needs to end her feud with Anna Jay first before moving on to Jade Cargill and Anna Jay will move on to Tay, but at least finish the feud first. Thought it was a net positive they also showcased Cagill and gave her a lot of mic time. She's not a worldbeater on the mic but she didn't embarrass herself either. She has a commanding presence and she's there to wrestle. She said she's been scouting her competition for weeks now. Brandi/Jay will probably get a blowoff, maybe even when Conti costs her a match with her or something and they shift focus. Cagill looks legit as hell though, I hope she can go cause they clearly want her to succeed giving her that much screen time. Shida definitely needed to be on this week but here's hoping next week sets something up. Her and Deeb need to be around. At the very least on DARK
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Post by Shark on Nov 12, 2020 2:28:37 GMT -5
This is also coming off a PPV that had a really good women's title match, 2 really, but we'll focus on Shida for this, so to come off of that and do nothing with her or to not have her on in some way or advance her into a new feud is a wasted opportunity. For all the talk from Tony and others in AEW about wanting to help fix these issues, they don't really seem to be doing all that much to change it. I don't think that Jade Cargill coming in to start a feud between Cody and Shaq is what fans had in mind.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 12, 2020 2:33:14 GMT -5
This is also coming off a PPV that had a really good women's title match, 2 really, but we'll focus on Shida for this, so to come off of that and do nothing with her or to not have her on in some way or advance her into a new feud is a wasted opportunity. For all the talk from Tony and others in AEW about wanting to help fix these issues, they don't really seem to be doing all that much to change it. I don't think that Jade Cargill coming in to start a feud between Cody and Shaq is what fans had in mind. To be fair to Jade she seems to have her own wants and desires too, she said she was in the crowd scouting "her competition" for weeks. She's been training to be a wrestler. Establishing her and establishing Cody/Shaq and tension with Brandi isn't the worst thing in the world I agree on Shida though, I can understand the NWA Women's title not getting a focus on odd weeks but it was odd that Shida wasn't mentioned on the show. I hope they rectify this next week and get her a direction. Same with Nyla since they clearly established tensions with Vickie. I am at the very least happy we got some shine on girls this week, just a lack of focus on the champions this week is an odd thing to leave out, even the Bucks got a promo at least this week. Though they did leave off some other big names from this show like Hangman, Archer, and FTR, the champion needs to start being a priority, it should be step one really.
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Post by holyshida on Nov 12, 2020 3:09:26 GMT -5
Some Positives and Negatives after tonight. Positives : Both Red Velvet and Tay Conti delivered tonight and both have a lot of potential. They seem to be finally moving forward with the Anna/Tay storyline, finally. Negatives : No Shida at all. If she's not going to be in the ring then do a promo or something. Too much overexposing of Brandi, she's hogging the spotlight constantly. Plus She needs to end her feud with Anna Jay first before moving on to Jade Cargill and Anna Jay will move on to Tay, but at least finish the feud first. Thought it was a net positive they also showcased Cagill and gave her a lot of mic time. She's not a worldbeater on the mic but she didn't embarrass herself either. She has a commanding presence and she's there to wrestle. She said she's been scouting her competition for weeks now. Brandi/Jay will probably get a blowoff, maybe even when Conti costs her a match with her or something and they shift focus. Cagill looks legit as hell though, I hope she can go cause they clearly want her to succeed giving her that much screen time. Shida definitely needed to be on this week but here's hoping next week sets something up. Her and Deeb need to be around. At the very least on DARK Yeah, Cagill looks like a star for sure. We've yet to see her in the ring, but she's trained in the nightmare factory and normally they give them tryouts on dark before signing them,but they haven't done that with her, which makes me think that she's legit. Hopefully we do get a blowoff to the Anna Jay/Brandi feud as they've been feuding for months now. Either have Cagill cost Brandi the match or as you suggested have Conti accidentally cost Jay the match which furthers their stories. And yeah, hopefully Shida is present next week, she doesn't have to be wrestling just give her a promo or Vignette and have someone like Britt or Swole challenge her. They seem to be getting their act together with the division. Anna, Tay, Velvet and Cagill all look like big prospects for the future, along with the more experienced pros like Shida, Deeb, Ivelisse and Diamante. Hopefully Thunder Rosa and/Or Alyson Kay gets added as well as Leyla Heirch who also looks legit. The division is starting to really take shape, it just needs the right booking.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Nov 12, 2020 4:26:05 GMT -5
So we’ve had this thread going three and a half months now since someone first went “GET YOUR SHIT IN ORDER WITH YOUR WOMEN, AEW”. Still seems like it’s a work in progress even with all the talent they’ve acquired and featured on Dark.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Nov 12, 2020 8:35:12 GMT -5
So we’ve had this thread going three and a half months now since someone first went “GET YOUR SHIT IN ORDER WITH YOUR WOMEN, AEW”. Still seems like it’s a work in progress even with all the talent they’ve acquired and featured on Dark. You’re right and I do agree they are developing. I think, to try and summarize the issue here, is that they sort of need to show that more on Dynamite since it is the key show people watch. People, rightly or wrongly, have this assumption about DARK being unimportant and that sort of gives the idea that this is where all the women can be compared to, say Impact that arguably has the best women’s roster in America being able to showcase their talent consistently and WWE, for as much the main roster has taken a hit over the past year, being able to do the same. And I don’t think it’s unreasonable to have Shida have a promo on the show basically saying she’s ready for anyone and having Congo/Velvet lead to something or even putting the bricks down for that Britt match at some point. Just something to make it seem like that title is important.
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Post by markymark on Nov 12, 2020 9:28:13 GMT -5
The thing is that Jade screams nepotism for being Brandis project(really why most of her projects are bad aside from Velvet? Its like Hogan and his cronies), besides there is the chance Jade becomes Eva Marie 2.0
Why not use that mic time Jade got to TayJay at least give them a backstage segment like Raw gave it to Nikki and Alexa for example?
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Nov 12, 2020 11:16:14 GMT -5
The thing is that Jade screams nepotism for being Brandis project(really why most of her projects are bad aside from Velvet? Its like Hogan and his cronies), besides there is the chance Jade becomes Eva Marie 2.0 I dunno about nepotism so much as the continued vibe of, "Instead of building on tried and tested indy acts like we do with the men, we should make our own women's stars!" And like, they're lowkey doing the same with men, because that's a business model that's worked for every Japanese promotion ever. The difference is that the serious women's wrestling is stalling until they manage it, and that itself gives the feeling that the investment in the future won't amount to much when the future arrives.
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Post by Dub H on Nov 12, 2020 11:25:33 GMT -5
The thing is that Jade screams nepotism for being Brandis project(really why most of her projects are bad aside from Velvet? Its like Hogan and his cronies), besides there is the chance Jade becomes Eva Marie 2.0 Why not use that mic time Jade got to TayJay at least give them a backstage segment like Raw gave it to Nikki and Alexa for example? Is she confirmed a Brandi project?I swear that woman has no eyes for what is tv-ready if true since she supposedly hired Mel too
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Nov 12, 2020 11:28:14 GMT -5
The thing is that Jade screams nepotism for being Brandis project(really why most of her projects are bad aside from Velvet? Its like Hogan and his cronies), besides there is the chance Jade becomes Eva Marie 2.0 Why not use that mic time Jade got to TayJay at least give them a backstage segment like Raw gave it to Nikki and Alexa for example? Is she confirmed a Brandi project?I swear that woman has no eyes for what is tv-ready if true since she supposedly hired Mel too I dunno if we ever got a source on Mel as a Brandi hire, just that Brandi felt responsible for how badly she crashed and burned with Nightmare Collective. She would certainly make sense as a Leva Bates hire, and Leva is, on paper, the woman in charge of women's talent relations. (Not that we ever hear a thing about her in that role - just about any time I've seen a story that names someone in talent relations, it's Christopher Daniels, and Brandi has shared a story or two making it sound like she at least does some reaching out.)
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Post by Dub H on Nov 12, 2020 11:30:54 GMT -5
Is she confirmed a Brandi project?I swear that woman has no eyes for what is tv-ready if true since she supposedly hired Mel too I dunno if we ever got a source on Mel as a Brandi hire, just that Brandi felt responsible for how badly she crashed and burned with Nightmare Collective. She would certainly make sense as a Leva Bates hire, and Leva is, on paper, the woman in charge of women's talent relations. (Not that we ever hear a thing about her in that role - just about any time I've seen a story that names someone in talent relations, it's Christopher Daniels, and Brandi has shared a story or two making it sound like she at least does some reaching out.) That has been an issue since day one,its weird, both Allie and Britt also failed to impress in the debuts.At first it felt like we had two type of woman; underwhelming ones and the Joshi. Of course over time we got better ones but still they do some weird choices of who gets tv time
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2020 11:35:39 GMT -5
Step 1: Sign Priscilla Kelli
Step 2: Book entire division around Priscilla Kelli.
Step 3: Profit
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Post by darbus alan on Nov 12, 2020 14:11:27 GMT -5
The Joshi get a ton of focus so it actually might make some difference. But I know what you mean, the girls just need more time, and focus, outside of one timeslot. I don't know how Khan can openly admit that the girls need more time and then have the same Dynamite card structure this week. Granted a lot of this show was booked in advance, but he needs to change shit. Why would the women who are not signed get more focus? Like you may be right but that's absurd. And why would Tony admit that and then do nothing about it? He's a promoter in wrestling, they'll say what you want to hear even if they don't care to act on it Riho is signed, but was in Japan when the COVID lockdowns started so it's like the PAC situation with her until last night. I think others are signed to AEW, too.
Shida moving to the US full-time just before all this shit happened is a real fortunate circumstance or we wouldn't even have her around.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Nov 12, 2020 14:39:16 GMT -5
Just a note of interest, Elayna Black canceled a booking for today...which, if I am remembering correctly, is Dark taping day. Pretty similar to Hirsch pulling out of a booking recently (albeit for a show that ended up canceled anyway).
There are some wrestlers that I think AEW would be foolish to not sign - Hirsch, Kay, Savoy. But Black is the one that I would be shocked if they don't sign, because if they were to grow a wrestler in a lab to fit in with AEW, she would look like Elayna Black.
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Post by markymark on Nov 12, 2020 14:54:47 GMT -5
Someone should tag Kenny and TK.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Nov 12, 2020 15:05:10 GMT -5
Someone should tag Kenny and TK. Yes, yes, and yes. Honest to goodness - I can't come up with a satisfactory reason that they haven't signed LuFisto. They've got a women's division starved for talent and name value, and they've made seemingly no attempt to court an indy veteran with a solid following who is also quite good in the ring. And like...they hired Luther with the intention of putting him in a women's division angle. Jericho favor or not, the fact that they'd hire him before her for that purpose is bonkers.
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