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Post by Celgress on Nov 13, 2020 15:05:31 GMT -5
He had legs as a heel He was in great shape, Tully gave him credibility and his gear and presentation was really good Once he lost to Cody he was done. Ever since then he's gone through a few gimmick overhauls from being a goof, finding a tag partner, going back serious, changing his gear etc I did like when Spears and MJF were gambling and goofing off during the early pandemic Dynamite shows. So did I. That was great. He was perfect in that earlier pandemic role. It was the only flash of personality I've seen from Spears.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 13, 2020 15:11:29 GMT -5
He had legs as a heel He was in great shape, Tully gave him credibility and his gear and presentation was really good Once he lost to Cody he was done. Ever since then he's gone through a few gimmick overhauls from being a goof, finding a tag partner, going back serious, changing his gear etc I did like when Spears and MJF were gambling and goofing off during the early pandemic Dynamite shows. I liked it too Problem is consistency. Next thing before you know it he is getting stripped to his underwear in a match by Dustin
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Post by Celgress on Nov 13, 2020 15:22:11 GMT -5
I did like when Spears and MJF were gambling and goofing off during the early pandemic Dynamite shows. I liked it too Problem is consistency. Next thing before you know it he is getting stripped to his underwear in a match by Dustin That was brutal. I'll be honest, in kayfabe, I lost a ton of respect for Spears after the infamous underwear incident. I simply can't take him seriously now.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 13, 2020 17:06:39 GMT -5
Given the general pattern of Dynamite's quarter ratings, I swear they put the women in Q7 to low-key sabotage them and justify the continued lack of effort. In this case it wasn't even the women's fault, and they had done well in Q7 lately. Sky/Spears just shouldn't have been on this show. It should have main evented DARK.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 13, 2020 17:10:19 GMT -5
I wouldn't say that It is more damning tho that it seems they have no belief in their women they can't get over without a mans intervention into their program Yeah, this. It's a lot of why I consider a certain development in a spoiler thread to not be an actual good thing for the women's division - they are trying to either fit the women into the ecosystem of the men's wrestling, to very mixed results (good: Anna Jay in the Dark Order, Penelope Ford doing hurricanranas on Kenny Omega; bad: Brandi's feud being awkwardly shoehorned into a Cody segment; inexcusable: Riho getting damsel'ed by Pac when she was the freaking champion), or they book the women without any kind of equivalent ecosystem or even the tools to build one - the closest they get to giving the women their own thing is the interpromotional stuff, and even that isn't much given how little character development is given to everyone involved. It's a Brandi feud? It felt more like Jade was giving Cody a warning and then Brandi got involved. jade was debuted dressing down Cody, I consider that a pretty big win for her character since that's one of the biggest names and it drew good numbers. The women obviously need more development and more of a focus... 52 pages and counting worth of discussing it, that's darn apparant, but I feel like any way they can try to do it, do it. Obviously build your girls up in programs with each other and trust them, but I dont think this hurts at all. {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} Especially Baker's segment, where she is basically the MC the entire time, and the segment per report seemed widely focused on her.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Nov 13, 2020 17:15:16 GMT -5
It's a Brandi feud? It felt more like Jade was giving Cody a warning and then Brandi got involved. jade was debuted dressing down Cody, I consider that a pretty big win for her character since that's one of the biggest names and it drew good numbers. The example I had in mind with Brandi having her feud shoehorned into Cody's was actually her suicide dive onto the Dark Order in a segment built around the Cody/Brodie build. The Cargill bit, though, brings up the fact that she keeps getting pulled into Cody's orbit - he's seemingly moving on from Dark Order, but Brandi still has business with them despite her having only gotten into said feud because of Cody. It's not inorganic, but I think it hurts her a little bit that she gets pulled in more directions than needed.
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Post by Cyno on Nov 13, 2020 17:20:27 GMT -5
I'd say Brandi also has a bit more input in how she wants her appearances to go, so maybe wanting to be in Cody's orbit is her choice. She is an executive in the company, after all. I think people have overstated her role in the company since its inception, including blaming her for things she had no real involvement in like the booking of the women's division or signing X wrestler but not Y when the buck stops with TK, but as far as creative direction goes? I imagine she has to get more leeway in doing what she wants.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Nov 13, 2020 17:29:37 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't care about Brandi doing stuff with Cody, it's whatever. The main issue has always been how women have been used, or not used in most cases. Like, Nightmare Collective sucked, but the idea was solid to me at the time. An evil faction for the women's division is not a bad idea, it creates heat for those in the faction and it create conflict for the heroes to overcome. While I hated Statlander losing the title match, them getting involved wasn't a bad way to protect her since they didn't want to put the title on her at the time.
It was the execution that caused it to fail imo. Kong is immobile anymore, Mel is the worst talent they have on the roster, Brandi in it felt random and so dumb, and Luthor was a complete unknown to many and another past their prime person. I honestly wouldn't mind a new stable with the same kind of role in the division. We've seen with the Dark Order and Inner Circle how being in a group can actually help people find their character.
I'm not saying a female heel faction will fix everything btw, was just using it as an example of what they could be doing to help the division.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Nov 13, 2020 17:43:05 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't care about Brandi doing stuff with Cody, it's whatever. The main issue has always been how women have been used, or not used in most cases. Like, Nightmare Collective sucked, but the idea was solid to me at the time. An evil faction for the women's division is not a bad idea, it creates heat for those in the faction and it create conflict for the heroes to overcome. While I hated Statlander losing the title match, them getting involved wasn't a bad way to protect her since they didn't want to put the title on her at the time. It was the execution that caused it to fail imo. Kong is immobile anymore, Mel is the worst talent they have on the roster, Brandi in it felt random and so dumb, and Luthor was a complete unknown to many and another past their prime person. I honestly wouldn't mind a new stable with the same kind of role in the division. We've seen with the Dark Order and Inner Circle how being in a group can actually help people find their character. I'm not saying a female heel faction will fix everything btw, was just using it as an example of what they could be doing to help the division. I fully agree with this, and I can't help but wonder if they've been gunshy about doing anything that looks remotely like Nightmare Collective...even if it would be a good idea right now. Britt Baker and Vickie Guerrero both feel like they could have proper factions behind them at this juncture - Baker especially would feel natural with some muscle to back her up and/or some sycophantic hangers-on who could get in on the fun of mistreating Rebel and Tony Schiavone. With how interconnected all of the men are in AEW, it feels jarring that so many of the women just float around without anyone to interact with - not that putting All Of The Faces in one group against One Big Heel Faction would have been that much better, but it would have at least felt more natural to AEW. EDIT: Hell - how about reverse the formula - pull a Nexus/Generation Next type faction, but as babyfaces? They could use to elevate some faces very quickly, and it would actually be a pretty inventive take on the normal faction takeover - just some staunch allies who break into the company as a group and support each other, and force the heels to form alliances and respond to the escalation?
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Post by markymark on Nov 13, 2020 17:51:25 GMT -5
It's a Brandi feud? It felt more like Jade was giving Cody a warning and then Brandi got involved. jade was debuted dressing down Cody, I consider that a pretty big win for her character since that's one of the biggest names and it drew good numbers. The example I had in mind with Brandi having her feud shoehorned into Cody's was actually her suicide dive onto the Dark Order in a segment built around the Cody/Brodie build. The Cargill bit, though, brings up the fact that she keeps getting pulled into Cody's orbit - he's seemingly moving on from Dark Order, but Brandi still has business with them despite her having only gotten into said feud because of Cody. It's not inorganic, but I think it hurts her a little bit that she gets pulled in more directions than needed. I only hope they dont quietly drop the Brandi/Anna Jay feud like they did it with the Nightmare Sisters stuff, like shouldnt Brandi have been on NN corner on the last Dynamite? Its like they stopped mentioned the Nightmares Sisters after the Deadly Draw was over.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 13, 2020 18:15:08 GMT -5
It's a Brandi feud? It felt more like Jade was giving Cody a warning and then Brandi got involved. jade was debuted dressing down Cody, I consider that a pretty big win for her character since that's one of the biggest names and it drew good numbers. The example I had in mind with Brandi having her feud shoehorned into Cody's was actually her suicide dive onto the Dark Order in a segment built around the Cody/Brodie build. The Cargill bit, though, brings up the fact that she keeps getting pulled into Cody's orbit - he's seemingly moving on from Dark Order, but Brandi still has business with them despite her having only gotten into said feud because of Cody. It's not inorganic, but I think it hurts her a little bit that she gets pulled in more directions than needed. I get what you mean, but it does make sense to me, to see her storm out and confront someone who decided to talk down to her husband without so much as a warning. Wife's gonna do what she's gonna do. It depends on if the Jade/Shaq stuff cools off just a bit now, then Brandi can wrap up the Anna/Conti part of her feud potentially so she isn't stretched thin.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 13, 2020 18:21:46 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't care about Brandi doing stuff with Cody, it's whatever. The main issue has always been how women have been used, or not used in most cases. Like, Nightmare Collective sucked, but the idea was solid to me at the time. An evil faction for the women's division is not a bad idea, it creates heat for those in the faction and it create conflict for the heroes to overcome. While I hated Statlander losing the title match, them getting involved wasn't a bad way to protect her since they didn't want to put the title on her at the time. It was the execution that caused it to fail imo. Kong is immobile anymore, Mel is the worst talent they have on the roster, Brandi in it felt random and so dumb, and Luthor was a complete unknown to many and another past their prime person. I honestly wouldn't mind a new stable with the same kind of role in the division. We've seen with the Dark Order and Inner Circle how being in a group can actually help people find their character. I'm not saying a female heel faction will fix everything btw, was just using it as an example of what they could be doing to help the division. I still think the girls should do what the guys do and start factions, and it's not hard to even do it. Anna Jay and Conti could start a dark order movement for girls, and then they can go from there Brandi has the Nightmare Collective portion of the women's roster where she could have Red Velvet and KiLyn King, maybe even Kong in a face role, she'd probably be best in a faction now Britt Baker could form a mean girls stable with Reba, Kenzie Paige, Skyer Moore, and Dani Jordyn Abadon could always get Jennacide and Heidi Howitzer back and form a monster heel faction with someone to mouthpiece for them. Vickie could have Nyla and La Sicaria's, or just La Sicaria's if she eventually kicks out Nyla since there is tension there Shida, Riho, Yuka, and Shojo could be a great group when they return Then you have the wildcards: Swole, Ford, Statlander, Leva, Allie, Mel, and then potentially Rosa, Allisin Kay, and Leyla Hirsch, who could join any of these factions or do their own thing too. AEW flourishes in faction war and connecting people to groups. The girls could probably benefit from this just as much as the guys especially when it comes to TV time, so I say go for it, it's feasable to do it.
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Post by Dub H on Nov 13, 2020 18:22:53 GMT -5
They should hire Dreamgirl Ellie and Jennacide and make a stable with Statlander. Get some personality and a GOOD stable in that division.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Nov 13, 2020 18:52:19 GMT -5
My personal teams and stables breakdown, if limited to people we have actually seen in an AEW ring (if not to signed talent):
Britt Baker, Rachael Ellering, Dani Jordyn (with Rebel)
Elayna Black, Abadon
Big Swole, Lil Swole
Leyla Hirsch, Allysin Kay (this is the one I feel the least sure is a good idea, but it could be a placeholder team)
Brandi Rhodes, Red Velvet, KiLynn King
Penelope Ford, Leva Bates
Anna Jay, Kenzie Paige
Add Tay Conti with Anna Jay if she ultimately joins Dark Order, add her to the Hirsch/Kay combination or have her pal with Shida otherwise.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 13, 2020 18:59:35 GMT -5
................... Zelina Vega is now available?
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Post by Dub H on Nov 13, 2020 19:05:32 GMT -5
Someone should tag Kenny and TK. What the average age of the women inAEW? Legit question.I know a lot of them are on the younger side. I know Thunder Ros and Ivelisse are 34-33
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Post by markymark on Nov 13, 2020 20:35:38 GMT -5
Her time will come soon like what happened to Kilynn.
Some found Leva beating Dani to be questionable but it had some logic in having Avalon being the only signed member of the roster without a win, besides building up Leva so someone like Jade beats her in quick fashion could work in elevating her(since AEW is already giving her a big push)
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Nov 13, 2020 20:39:32 GMT -5
Her time will come soon like what happened to Kilynn. Some found Leva beating Dani to be questionable but it had some logic in having Avalon being the only signed member of the roster without a win, besides building up Leva so someone like Jade beats her in quick fashion could work in elevating her(since AEW is already giving her a big push) Absolutely. AEW is making clear that someone can spend a year as a jobber, then move upward. It's a good system to keep people invested in jobbers having journeys, and also signals good things for someone like Jordyn who gets a lot of these jobber spots because she's pretty good and has a gimmick that her opponents can play around with. I suspect that the only reason that she might not move up in the world faster than her fellows is that she's good enough at what she's doing that she hasn't yet used up all of the mileage of her current spot.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2020 21:16:02 GMT -5
I'm probably the biggest Dani Jordyn mark on this board, I'm pretty sure I've taken screengrabs of every page they've shown of her Burn Book
that said, did people seriously think she was gonna win.... let alone get angry when Leva won? It'd be like going on Twitter in a rage because the Brooklyn Brawler lost a match
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Post by polarbearpete on Nov 13, 2020 21:51:11 GMT -5
Someone should tag Kenny and TK. Not sure this is really accurate anymore. WWE has Asuka (39), Baszler (40), Tamina (42), Nia (36), Charlotte (34), Mercedes (39), Candice Lerae (35), Becky (33), Carmella (33), Lana (35), Mickie (41), Nattie (38).
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