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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Nov 13, 2020 11:44:49 GMT -5
The thing is that Jade screams nepotism for being Brandis project(really why most of her projects are bad aside from Velvet? Its like Hogan and his cronies), besides there is the chance Jade becomes Eva Marie 2.0 Why not use that mic time Jade got to TayJay at least give them a backstage segment like Raw gave it to Nikki and Alexa for example? I wouldn't say that It is more damning tho that it seems they have no belief in their women they can't get over without a mans intervention into their program Yeah, this. It's a lot of why I consider a certain development in a spoiler thread to not be an actual good thing for the women's division - they are trying to either fit the women into the ecosystem of the men's wrestling, to very mixed results (good: Anna Jay in the Dark Order, Penelope Ford doing hurricanranas on Kenny Omega; bad: Brandi's feud being awkwardly shoehorned into a Cody segment; inexcusable: Riho getting damsel'ed by Pac when she was the freaking champion), or they book the women without any kind of equivalent ecosystem or even the tools to build one - the closest they get to giving the women their own thing is the interpromotional stuff, and even that isn't much given how little character development is given to everyone involved.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 13, 2020 11:47:11 GMT -5
I wouldn't say that It is more damning tho that it seems they have no belief in their women they can't get over without a mans intervention into their programThis is how I view the situation as well, which is sort of sad, outdated, and disappointing in 2020. Yea, like you can add a man into a program but to have them start that program and women feeding off it is not all that good Alexa/Cross were already splitting before Bray got her and Alexa character has benefited from the Bray/Braun program now and carried her back to Nikki and back to their whole thing Johnny and Candice involve each other in their programs as both have a grudge against Shotzi but Candice is now in her own feud Shotzi Also side note, whether fair or not Brandi is not going to be given passes by the public. Anytime she inserts herself into a program people are going to judge her like Steph. You may not like it but with her power she doesn't have the luxury of a pass and it doesn't help that her talent isn't matching to the level either
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Post by Celgress on Nov 13, 2020 11:52:50 GMT -5
This is how I view the situation as well, which is sort of sad, outdated, and disappointing in 2020. Yea, like you can add a man into a program but to have them start that program and women feeding off it is not all that good Alexa/Cross were already splitting before Bray got her and Alexa character has benefited from the Bray/Braun program now and carried her back to Nikki and back to their whole thing Johnny and Candice involve each other in their programs as both have a grudge against Shotzi but Candice is now in her own feud Shotzi Also side note, whether fair or not Brandi is not going to be given passes by the public. Anytime she inserts herself into a program people are going to judge her like Steph. You may not like it but with her power she doesn't have the luxury of a pass and it doesn't help that her talent isn't matching to the level either I actually see a lot of this online. Probably the majority of people including commentators (rightly or wrongly) call Brandi the "Stephanie McMahon of AEW", even those who are pro-Rhodes Family often joke about it. This general impression isn't a good look for Brandi or the company.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 13, 2020 11:52:52 GMT -5
I wouldn't say that It is more damning tho that it seems they have no belief in their women they can't get over without a mans intervention into their program Yeah, this. It's a lot of why I consider a certain development in a spoiler thread to not be an actual good thing for the women's division - they are trying to either fit the women into the ecosystem of the men's wrestling, to very mixed results (good: Anna Jay in the Dark Order, Penelope Ford doing hurricanranas on Kenny Omega; bad: Brandi's feud being awkwardly shoehorned into a Cody segment; inexcusable: Riho getting damsel'ed by Pac when she was the freaking champion), or they book the women without any kind of equivalent ecosystem or even the tools to build one - the closest they get to giving the women their own thing is the interpromotional stuff, and even that isn't much given how little character development is given to everyone involved. It is a circle around to the same problem Well, we aren't featuring women so let's put them in feuds that the men are having. BUT, that's not what people want. They want women standing on their own, having their own battles Going back to the whole "peace and war shit" Cody said, he's not wrong but he's the guy who has damn near all his feuds be personal. You can book a woman like Cody Rhodes if you tried Just off the basic example I said earlier in the thread, you had both champs doing open weekly challenges. Cody has gotten tough contest from Marq Queen and no disrespect to him, he got 15 mins with Cody. Where is Shida getting that same time to flesh something out and make someone? Those are the differences they need to see
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 13, 2020 11:56:53 GMT -5
Yea, like you can add a man into a program but to have them start that program and women feeding off it is not all that good Alexa/Cross were already splitting before Bray got her and Alexa character has benefited from the Bray/Braun program now and carried her back to Nikki and back to their whole thing Johnny and Candice involve each other in their programs as both have a grudge against Shotzi but Candice is now in her own feud Shotzi Also side note, whether fair or not Brandi is not going to be given passes by the public. Anytime she inserts herself into a program people are going to judge her like Steph. You may not like it but with her power she doesn't have the luxury of a pass and it doesn't help that her talent isn't matching to the level either I actually see a lot of this online. Probably the majority of people including commentators (rightly or wrongly) call Brandi the "Stephanie McMahon of AEW", even those who are "pro-Rhodes Family" often joke about it. This general impression isn't a good look for Brandy or the company. And people will rightfully argue Steph has inserted herself into situations and made it worse Brandi track record is spotty right now. They killed Nightmare Collective after letting it ride for weeks longer then other gimmicks got to go out there and try. Someone correct me if i'm wrong but that was her idea? That's the type of shit people are going to hold against you. As I said whether fair or not, she's being judged and talent and position. I don't envy her cause that's difficult but with as much screen time she get, she's going have to justify it on screen which she hasn't done so yet
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Nov 13, 2020 11:57:38 GMT -5
Yea, like you can add a man into a program but to have them start that program and women feeding off it is not all that good Alexa/Cross were already splitting before Bray got her and Alexa character has benefited from the Bray/Braun program now and carried her back to Nikki and back to their whole thing Johnny and Candice involve each other in their programs as both have a grudge against Shotzi but Candice is now in her own feud Shotzi Also side note, whether fair or not Brandi is not going to be given passes by the public. Anytime she inserts herself into a program people are going to judge her like Steph. You may not like it but with her power she doesn't have the luxury of a pass and it doesn't help that her talent isn't matching to the level either I actually see a lot of this online. Probably the majority of people including commentators (rightly or wrongly) call Brandi the "Stephanie McMahon of AEW", even those who are "pro-Rhodes Family" often joke about it. This general impression isn't a good look for Brandy or the company. The big thing with Brandi is...she isn't bad by any means, she's a competent worker and a solid promo. But she's also not gotten over and drawn anywhere before AEW, and she isn't better in the ring than many women who have that AEW doesn't seem to consider worth the same level of spotlight and ring time. They also can't seem to decide if she's off on her own or tied to Cody's hip, which ultimately just leads to her having noticeably more time on the air than any other woman - and even then, it's not much.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Nov 13, 2020 11:59:28 GMT -5
Brandi track record is spotty right now. They killed Nightmare Collective after letting it ride for weeks longer then other gimmicks got to go out there and try. Someone correct me if i'm wrong but that was her idea? That's the type of shit people are going to hold against you. She's said that it was Kong's idea, and I believe it if for no other reason than that she never seemed to have a clear idea what the hell to say in her Nightmare Collective promos but has been pretty focused on the mic ever since. The other reason I believe it is that if they were going to give any woman in the company too long a leash based on her career and accomplishments, it would be Kong.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 13, 2020 12:04:33 GMT -5
Brandi track record is spotty right now. They killed Nightmare Collective after letting it ride for weeks longer then other gimmicks got to go out there and try. Someone correct me if i'm wrong but that was her idea? That's the type of shit people are going to hold against you. She's said that it was Kong's idea, and I believe it if for no other reason than that she never seemed to have a clear idea what the hell to say in her Nightmare Collective promos but has been pretty focused on the mic ever since. The other reason I believe it is that if they were going to give any woman in the company too long a leash based on her career and accomplishments, it would be Kong. Don't get me wrong, Brandi is talented as far the mic goes. In ring she is passable I would have went with the pressure and made her a Steph like figure. Her mic skills are strong enough to pick people up and it would have helped the division buy time to make people
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Nov 13, 2020 12:09:08 GMT -5
She's said that it was Kong's idea, and I believe it if for no other reason than that she never seemed to have a clear idea what the hell to say in her Nightmare Collective promos but has been pretty focused on the mic ever since. The other reason I believe it is that if they were going to give any woman in the company too long a leash based on her career and accomplishments, it would be Kong. Don't get me wrong, Brandi is talented as far the mic goes. In ring she is passable I would have went with the pressure and made her a Steph like figure. Her mic skills are strong enough to pick people up and it would have helped the division buy time to make people They seem to be inching toward this with Red Velvet, at least. But it still creates a really awkward situation where Brandi is just not good enough or accomplished enough to really play the veteran giving a rub in that situation - she'd be better off if she was more a manager-who-occasionally-wrestles than the mentor figure bringing a protege up, because everyone can see that Red Velvet can wrestle rings around her...and Velvet's not even a top worker.
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Post by markymark on Nov 13, 2020 12:48:58 GMT -5
Tay vs Velvet was the least watched moment of this weeks Dynamite, I feel like they got screwed following Scorpio vs Spears.
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Post by Celgress on Nov 13, 2020 12:51:14 GMT -5
Tay vs Velvet was the least watched moment of this weeks Dynamite, I feel like they got screwed following Scorpio vs Spears. I'm not surprised, Spears is a black hole of charisma.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Nov 13, 2020 12:52:33 GMT -5
Given the general pattern of Dynamite's quarter ratings, I swear they put the women in Q7 to low-key sabotage them and justify the continued lack of effort.
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Post by markymark on Nov 13, 2020 13:17:41 GMT -5
Nyla vs Velvet actually did good but it could be due to letting Vickie cut a promo after the match, I know some people dislike her voice but you cant deny she can make feuds mean something with her obnoxious voice.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Nov 13, 2020 14:43:54 GMT -5
Tay vs Velvet was the least watched moment of this weeks Dynamite, I feel like they got screwed following Scorpio vs Spears. I'm not surprised, Spears is a black hole of charisma. Yeah, I checked out fully during that match. I can't fault people for changing the channel during it.
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Post by Hypnosis on Nov 13, 2020 14:46:44 GMT -5
I'm not surprised, Spears is a black hole of charisma. Yeah, I checked out fully during that match. I can't fault people for changing the channel during it. Spears as a SRS heel is a bust.
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Post by Celgress on Nov 13, 2020 14:57:59 GMT -5
Yeah, I checked out fully during that match. I can't fault people for changing the channel during it. Spears as a SRS heel is a bust. He sure is. It also doesn't make kayfabe sense Tully would continue to hang around with such a loser after the dressing down he gave FTR (who had only been in AEW for a very short time) about not winning the tag team belts.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 13, 2020 15:00:01 GMT -5
Yeah, I checked out fully during that match. I can't fault people for changing the channel during it. Spears as a SRS heel is a bust. He had legs as a heel He was in great shape, Tully gave him credibility and his gear and presentation was really good Once he lost to Cody he was done. Ever since then he's gone through a few gimmick overhauls from being a goof, finding a tag partner, going back serious, changing his gear etc
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Post by Facetious on Nov 13, 2020 15:00:49 GMT -5
They really need to take the book away from Tony when it comes to women. Sign Dave Prazak since he has nearly 2 decades of experience.
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Post by Hypnosis on Nov 13, 2020 15:03:01 GMT -5
Spears as a SRS heel is a bust. He had legs as a heel He was in great shape, Tully gave him credibility and his gear and presentation was really good Once he lost to Cody he was done. Ever since then he's gone through a few gimmick overhauls from being a goof, finding a tag partner, going back serious, changing his gear etc I did like when Spears and MJF were gambling and goofing off during the early pandemic Dynamite shows.
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Post by Hypnosis on Nov 13, 2020 15:04:50 GMT -5
They really need to take the book away from Tony when it comes to women. Sign Dave Prazak since he has nearly 2 decades of experience. Prazak, Allison Danger, or Kevin Harvey. Does Madusa still have a role in AEW? Haven't heard anything lately.
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