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Post by polarbearpete on Nov 17, 2020 11:35:01 GMT -5
Dark may be a fun watch but the point of this thread is to point out what needs to be done with the women’s division and “more matches on Dark” isn’t the answer when it’s pretty much a meaningless, albeit enjoyable show. Similar to a Velocity/Sunday Night Heat back in the day. It could be part of the answer since it offers a way for them to find new talent and helps get their women ready for TV. The issue is no longer the talent in the division. They’re brimming with female workers. They just don’t get enough time, matches, and storylines on Dynamite.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Nov 17, 2020 11:45:18 GMT -5
It could be part of the answer since it offers a way for them to find new talent and helps get their women ready for TV. The issue is no longer the talent in the division. They’re brimming with female workers. They just don’t get enough time, matches, and storylines on Dynamite. I agree for the most part but I don't think these points are mutually exclusive. The division is still weaker relative to the others and should get more time on their development show.
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Post by EP 54 is banned from Collision on Nov 17, 2020 12:25:39 GMT -5
Personally, I'm in the 'matches are the meat, storylines are the spice' type of guy so a lot of weeks I prefer Dark to Dynamite.
That's probably why I'm fine with the current women's division product, when they're serving up matches like the two title matches at the PPV, I'm not too bothered about the builds for them.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 17, 2020 16:00:55 GMT -5
It could be part of the answer since it offers a way for them to find new talent and helps get their women ready for TV. The issue is no longer the talent in the division. They’re brimming with female workers. They just don’t get enough time, matches, and storylines on Dynamite. Your point has merit, but DARK is for building up the young girls they have and giving them time (Anna Jay, Red Velvet, KiLiyn King, Skyler Moore, Dani Jordyn, Kenzie Paige, Abadon, etc) and actually allowing them to get invaluable match experience, which you can see all these girls improving every time they show up. Yes they need more time on Dynamite, but DARK is absolutely something they've been using to help develop their brimming undercard and scout for the likes of Leyla Hirsch, so it plays a role. Without DARK and without these girls getting reps on a near weekly basis, these girls might be even greener. This is invaluable experience and exposure for them.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 17, 2020 16:02:48 GMT -5
DARK is also a place where wrestlers stay loose and try out new moves and finishers to add to their moveset, where we see wrestlers start out before they get signed and is the reason some of them even get signed, where certain wrestlers get mic time and promos to try and find character and also a place where some feuds can happen and even segments and such can bleed into the main show for it to matter or make you want to see what happens. Along with great commentary from Taz, Excalibur, and Ricky Starks every week that honestly helps the time fly by quite easily. They showcased Hobbs on DARK, he got signed, Velvet? Signed. Hirsch? Also seemingly signed. Top Flight? Showcased and now are getting a prime time match vs The Bucks, The Acclaimed became a team and got over real quick and got signed. They give wrestlers a paycheck during the pandemic, exposure, time, and sometimes, they get contracts out of it, and new fans. I know several talent I've seen on DARK won me over fast because they ain't treating it like a "meaningless" show. Sorry I guess I'm tired of people saying DARK doesn't matter when theyre clearly doing things to make it more than enhancement matches, if it isn't your thing fine, but I'm just fed up with people shitting on what is essentially fun and free weekly wrestling content for people to watch if they're so inclined. I just don't see the drawback to it. Dark may be a fun watch but the point of this thread is to point out what needs to be done with the women’s division and “more matches on Dark” isn’t the answer when it’s pretty much a meaningless, albeit enjoyable show. Similar to a Velocity/Sunday Night Heat back in the day. It's not meaningless, is the thing, that's my whole point on why I'm fed up with how people treat it. Storylines and development happen on this show, and girls getting matches on DARK when a lot of them are young, green, and desperately need the reps and experience, is important, no matter what is said. Yes the main card girls need more time on Dynamite, I'm not even disputing that, but acting like DARK doesn't matter imo is part of the issue.
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Post by polarbearpete on Nov 17, 2020 16:44:50 GMT -5
Dark may be a fun watch but the point of this thread is to point out what needs to be done with the women’s division and “more matches on Dark” isn’t the answer when it’s pretty much a meaningless, albeit enjoyable show. Similar to a Velocity/Sunday Night Heat back in the day. It's not meaningless, is the thing, that's my whole point on why I'm fed up with how people treat it. Storylines and development happen on this show, and girls getting matches on DARK when a lot of them are young, green, and desperately need the reps and experience, is important, no matter what is said. Yes the main card girls need more time on Dynamite, I'm not even disputing that, but acting like DARK doesn't matter imo is part of the issue. People being showcased and getting signed does not make the show meaningful in kayfabe. Neither does simply continuing storylines that occur on Dynmaite. The only actual storyline development is typically storylines that are kept only on Dark, which again almost makes them seem in a different world to Dynamite. Plus there’s the fact it’s an internet-only show adding to its lack of importance. It’s a fun show and I’m glad they have it as it has a purpose but it is ultimately a meaningless show in the same way Velocity, Heat (for most of its run), Jakked, Metal, Main Event, have been for WWE. Those shows also had good matches, exposure for Indy talent and new signings (including tryout matches), the continuation of storylines that you see on Raw/Smackdown, and even some storyline progression for lower carders that pretty much stayed exclusively on these “C” shows.
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Post by markymark on Nov 17, 2020 21:18:03 GMT -5
Alex Gracia did fairly good vs Ivelisse, a future prospect that hopefully AEW signs.
Victoria and Tesha are green as grass.
Rosa vs Lindsey was solid, another one to keep an eye on
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Nov 17, 2020 21:29:35 GMT -5
Alex Gracia did fairly good vs Ivelisse, a future prospect that hopefully AEW signs. Victoria and Tesha are green as grass. Rosa vs Lindsey was solid, another one to keep an eye on I honestly rate Tesha a bit better in the ring than Gracia, but that's after three Tesha Price matches and nine or ten Alex Gracia matches. Very limited sample size. Neither is very high on my wishlist for talent to see in AEW, but I would be happy to see either of them more.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 17, 2020 22:56:25 GMT -5
Alex Gracia did fairly good vs Ivelisse, a future prospect that hopefully AEW signs. Victoria and Tesha are green as grass. Rosa vs Lindsey was solid, another one to keep an eye on I honestly rate Tesha a bit better in the ring than Gracia, but that's after three Tesha Price matches and nine or ten Alex Gracia matches. Very limited sample size. Neither is very high on my wishlist for talent to see in AEW, but I would be happy to see either of them more. Gracia and Price have good looks, they'd be fine prospect deals Snow's on that Hirsch level where they could sign her and easily fit her into the pack of girls already in the division. But it doesn't hurt to have more girls that can take losses so KiLyn King doesn't have 20 of them and Gracia and Price fit the mold for that right now at least. I'd say Rahne Victoria does too but she's even greener than those two, she's someone that would probably need time training with the likes of Dustin to refine herself.
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Post by Shark on Nov 18, 2020 1:45:38 GMT -5
I think a bulk of the women's stuff happening on Dark is a half measure at best. This week's Dark has so far gotten 107 thousand views. Last week's has 328 thousand. Dynamite gets 7-800,000+ a week. That's a big gap in audiences. This arrangement is basically if WWE did 90% of their women's division stuff on Main Event instead of Raw or Smackdown. And matches for the sake of matches isn't really enough anyway. It's not about quantity of matches, it's about quality of the storylines.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 18, 2020 1:53:37 GMT -5
Marti Belle is now a free agent, which makes NWA's officially signed women a grand total of "Two".
Looking to me like NWA's partnership with AEW is because they're also losing everyone, and a possible chunk of those someones could in fact end up contracted to AEW if they get Rosa and Kay especially.
Belle wouldn't be a bad add either, she's been around everywhere, it's a name people know.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Nov 18, 2020 1:57:44 GMT -5
Marti Belle is now a free agent, which makes NWA's officially signed women a grand total of "Two". Looking to me like NWA's partnership with AEW is because they're also losing everyone, and a possible chunk of those someones could in fact end up contracted to AEW if they get Rosa and Kay especially. Belle wouldn't be a bad add either, she's been around everywhere, it's a name people know. Yeesh, I had been idly wondering if they were going to outright unify the NWA and AEW women's titles, but thought that the idea sounded ridiculous. At this point, it actually seems plausible.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 18, 2020 2:00:45 GMT -5
I think a bulk of the women's stuff happening on Dark is a half measure at best. This week's Dark has so far gotten 107 thousand views. Last week's has 328 thousand. Dynamite gets 7-800,000+ a week. That's a big gap in audiences. This arrangement is basically if WWE did 90% of their women's division stuff on Main Event instead of Raw or Smackdown. And matches for the sake of matches isn't really enough anyway. It's not about quantity of matches, it's about quality of the storylines. Yes, the girls need storyline and development on the main show, but the matches on DARK tonight showed outside of Snow/Rosa that the girls are working a lot of green talent and they themselves even still need reps to stay loose like Ford and Swole. They're definitely trying to structure a roster together in terms of "This is the top, this is the midcard, these are the young lionesses we can feed to the midcard", it's just been slow going. Also "It's not about the quality of matches it's about storylines" is a very subjective viewpoint, there are people who are absolutely fine with just seeing good matches, just like some people just care about the story. In the end what you hope is the likes of signing Hirsch who you would assume is signed, and possibly Kay and Marti Belle who just hit the free agent market, would help that out, then Rosa when her contract ends. Lindsay Snow would also be another very solid option. There's potential, but one of these weeks they definitely gotta say "f*** it" and get out of this roundabout they're in with booking the girls on the main roster. I hope that day comes sooner rather than later, for the sake of some peoples sanity here tbh.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 18, 2020 2:09:48 GMT -5
Marti Belle is now a free agent, which makes NWA's officially signed women a grand total of "Two". Looking to me like NWA's partnership with AEW is because they're also losing everyone, and a possible chunk of those someones could in fact end up contracted to AEW if they get Rosa and Kay especially. Belle wouldn't be a bad add either, she's been around everywhere, it's a name people know. Yeesh, I had been idly wondering if they were going to outright unify the NWA and AEW women's titles, but thought that the idea sounded ridiculous. At this point, it actually seems plausible. I think having a Double Champion would work, I don't think they'd fuse the belts together or absorb one into the other but I feel like the big collision that's coming is Rosa vs Shida Round II: Title vs Title. And that's the kind of marquee match the division needs for sure. If this is the plan I also think there needs to be a plan in place for signing the likes of Belle and Kay to contracts so they could even still appear on NWA shows. It'd be a win-win. NWA can't keep them but can still keep a division floating, AEW gets talent signed outside of Rosa (For now) and Kamille but NWA can still use them because of the partnership. This might not be the plan of course but if NWA's letting these girls off the hook there must be some confidence in AEW signing them for them to still appear on shows, because this obviously won't work if they go to an Impact or WWE full time. I guess we'll see.
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Post by Shark on Nov 18, 2020 2:55:50 GMT -5
I think a bulk of the women's stuff happening on Dark is a half measure at best. This week's Dark has so far gotten 107 thousand views. Last week's has 328 thousand. Dynamite gets 7-800,000+ a week. That's a big gap in audiences. This arrangement is basically if WWE did 90% of their women's division stuff on Main Event instead of Raw or Smackdown. And matches for the sake of matches isn't really enough anyway. It's not about quantity of matches, it's about quality of the storylines. Yes, the girls need storyline and development on the main show, but the matches on DARK tonight showed outside of Snow/Rosa that the girls are working a lot of green talent and they themselves even still need reps to stay loose like Ford and Swole. They're definitely trying to structure a roster together in terms of "This is the top, this is the midcard, these are the young lionesses we can feed to the midcard", it's just been slow going. Also "It's not about the quality of matches it's about storylines" is a very subjective viewpoint, there are people who are absolutely fine with just seeing good matches, just like some people just care about the story.In the end what you hope is the likes of signing Hirsch who you would assume is signed, and possibly Kay and Marti Belle who just hit the free agent market, would help that out, then Rosa when her contract ends. Lindsay Snow would also be another very solid option. There's potential, but one of these weeks they definitely gotta say "f*** it" and get out of this roundabout they're in with booking the girls on the main roster. I hope that day comes sooner rather than later, for the sake of some peoples sanity here tbh. They have to work together. A good story makes a good match better. I think it's a niche market that just wants matches and little else. AEW wants a more mainstream audience and that audience is going to want story. It's like when WWE started the women's revolution. It wasn't enough for them to just start doing more/longer matches. Once they started adding some real meat to the angles, the fans got more involved and things actually felt like they changed.
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Post by holyshida on Nov 18, 2020 3:48:50 GMT -5
I think a bulk of the women's stuff happening on Dark is a half measure at best. This week's Dark has so far gotten 107 thousand views. Last week's has 328 thousand. Dynamite gets 7-800,000+ a week. That's a big gap in audiences. This arrangement is basically if WWE did 90% of their women's division stuff on Main Event instead of Raw or Smackdown. And matches for the sake of matches isn't really enough anyway. It's not about quantity of matches, it's about quality of the storylines. That's 7-800,000 in America only ( and even in America it's far more than that when considering other ways of watching ) worldwide it's likely millions are watching Dynamite. I'm willing to guess that only 10% of Dynamites audience watch dark. They really need to feature some of these women on Dynamite. Last week we had Tay and Red Velvet, so that's a start at least.
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Post by holyshida on Nov 18, 2020 3:51:11 GMT -5
Shida Britt Nyla Penelope Anna Jay Tay Conti Red Velvet Ivelisse
I believe all these women are TV ready and should be regularly featured. Shida should be featured every week, either in a match or given a promo or Vignette. She's the champion
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Post by Hypnosis on Nov 18, 2020 7:38:25 GMT -5
I believe all these women are TV ready and should be regularly featured. Shida should be featured every week, either in a match or given a promo or Vignette. She's the champion Agreed. She shouldn't just be used as a hype woman on Twitter for Dynamite some weeks.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 18, 2020 7:47:41 GMT -5
Shida Britt Nyla Penelope Anna Jay Tay Conti Red Velvet Ivelisse I believe all these women are TV ready and should be regularly featured. Shida should be featured every week, either in a match or given a promo or Vignette. She's the champion I do think Shida running a train through the division earlier on in the year might've hurt things, and AEW's lack of capitalizing on Shida's open challenge also didn't help. But I agree she needs to be featured or appear. Hopefully she does this week considering this is a huge title match with big rammifications if Rosa wins too. There are clearly enough girls right now to have consistent matches on Dynamite, and there should be enough time for segments and developments and follow-ups, we just really need to get there. I feel like the NWA partnership is a key to that, but we're gonna have to see how it develops with the roster all but being free agents. AEW could pluck up a lot of good talent right now and even more TV ready girls.
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Post by markymark on Nov 18, 2020 9:37:34 GMT -5
Anna Jay made it to the Top 5 rankings.
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