AEW Women's Division Discussion

[AwamoriRock]

Jun 24, 2021 7:19:01 GMT -5 pippen94 said:

Jun 24, 2021 6:04:47 GMT -5 AwamoriRock said:

Aew absolutely needs to push and prioritize their own in house women, but Yuka isn’t stealing any spot or delaying that. If she were to appear on Dynamite and do one of dark or evolution that's more than they gave their actual champion. Her showing up and putting on bangers with anybody is more than signed wrestlers get. imo she's above anyone there but she can eat pins to put over anyone, and while I don't think her being unknown is true, even if so, why can't she show up and get people interested?
Yuka or any "random joshi" showing up and wrestling for a couple shows isn't a brave departure from what AEW currently does.

Women's division has been most criticized part of company for some time until recently as likes of Britt, Tay, Rosa etc have established their personas. To start bringing in joshis again to fill matches is a step back.

Given the long period of them not bringing in joshi and it still being the same problem I think you’re suggesting a problem you don’t mean to lol

[pippen94]

Jun 24, 2021 5:18:52 GMT -5 Feargus McReddit said:

Jun 24, 2021 5:09:23 GMT -5 pippen94 said:

I liked Ryo on dark getting her gimmick over. I didn't like the Shida vs Ryo ppv match because unless you're a joshi aficionado there's no real investment.

Ultimately story trumps matches & you're not getting that with short term joshi workers.
Meanwhile, Tay, Red Velvet, Deeb, Abadon, kris etc got big reactions at fan fest / don tapings

I mean, if we're going by that logic, Riho was one of the most over people on the show and she's still transitioning to living in the US full time. Along with the fact the crowd was super into Shida/Ryo as a match.

Like, you're tip-toeing past my point of "stop saying joshis aren't over just because you don't like joshis" which is what you have been doing repeatedly.

Doesn't matter if it's a joshis or luchadoras. Ppl won't care if they don't know the participants.

Which match helped progress the division more; Britt vs Rosa or Shida vs Ryo?!

[Feargus McReddit]

Jun 24, 2021 7:29:29 GMT -5 pippen94 said:

Jun 24, 2021 5:18:52 GMT -5 Feargus McReddit said:

I mean, if we're going by that logic, Riho was one of the most over people on the show and she's still transitioning to living in the US full time. Along with the fact the crowd was super into Shida/Ryo as a match.

Like, you're tip-toeing past my point of "stop saying joshis aren't over just because you don't like joshis" which is what you have been doing repeatedly.

Doesn't matter if it's a joshis or luchadoras. Ppl won't care if they don't know the participants.

Which match helped progress the division more; Britt vs Rosa or Shida vs Ryo?!

That's not even the point of discussion we're having here.

You said "Nobody cares about Yuko" and I said "Well, I watched the shows she's been on and they clearly do" and you're going on this weird divergent about what would matter more for the division which is a completely different discussion, as justified as it might be?

Like, you even admit you've never seen her wrestle, thus you didn't see how the crowds took to her so...why not just say "Hey, it's been a while since we saw her so she might not be as over with these other talents now there"? Because that would lead better to your overall point.

[pippen94]

Jun 24, 2021 7:36:00 GMT -5 Feargus McReddit said:

Jun 24, 2021 7:29:29 GMT -5 pippen94 said:

Doesn't matter if it's a joshis or luchadoras. Ppl won't care if they don't know the participants.

Which match helped progress the division more; Britt vs Rosa or Shida vs Ryo?!

That's not even the point of discussion we're having here.

You said "Nobody cares about Yuko" and I said "Well, I watched the shows she's been on and they clearly do" and you're going on this weird divergent about what would matter more for the division which is a completely different discussion, as justified as it might be?

Like, you even admit you've never seen her wrestle, thus you didn't see how the crowds took to her so...why not just say "Hey, it's been a while since we saw her so she might not be as over with these other talents now there"? Because that would lead better to your overall point.

I've watched every dynamite, ppv & dark so I've seen Yuka wrestle & that happens to be the impression she made on me.

My point has been consistent that division needs storylines.
Building a rivalry between two most popular females in Britt & Tay would be good thing. Having Britt defending title against challenger ppl can't remember or know nothing about is not so good.

[Feargus McReddit]

Jun 24, 2021 7:54:10 GMT -5 pippen94 said:

I've watched every dynamite, ppv & dark so I've seen Yuka wrestle & that happens to be the impression she made on me.

But you said you didn't see her wrestle?

And even so, just say "she didn't make an impression on me" instead of acting like the fans don't care or know who she is which, again, just isn't true.

And hey, your point stands, I agree with it and hopefully the new show and the transition back to live shows helps that rather than hinders it.

[markymark]

Tay has a established persona? Yes she improved in the ring and got a good reaction on DON week but she is just a generic babyface, its for the same reason Shida got over(due to her in ring work), most of the people in the division have generic characters, not much different than WWE women division.

[toodarkmark]

Jun 24, 2021 10:35:30 GMT -5 markymark said:

Tay has a established persona? Yes she improved in the ring and got a good reaction on DON week but she is just a generic babyface, its for the same reason Shida got over(due to her in ring work), most of the people in the division have generic characters, not much different than WWE women division.

Yeah she has a persona. What do you mean it's generic? Do you mean she's a normal person? She's done interviews, she cut some promos with Anna Jay, she has come out with Negative 1 and done things in the ring. I know exactly who she is. What more would you need to say she has a persona?

[markymark]

She is still missing something that puts her to be part of the main event in the women division imo.

Anna at least had something going on with her before she got injured, she started out as the Star of the Show by cosplaying as Zatanna then she got squashed by Abadon, drops the character, joins DO and becomes the Queenslayer.

[The Captain]

Jun 24, 2021 7:29:29 GMT -5 pippen94 said:

Jun 24, 2021 5:18:52 GMT -5 Feargus McReddit said:

I mean, if we're going by that logic, Riho was one of the most over people on the show and she's still transitioning to living in the US full time. Along with the fact the crowd was super into Shida/Ryo as a match.

Like, you're tip-toeing past my point of "stop saying joshis aren't over just because you don't like joshis" which is what you have been doing repeatedly.

Doesn't matter if it's a joshis or luchadoras. Ppl won't care if they don't know the participants.

Which match helped progress the division more; Britt vs Rosa or Shida vs Ryo?!

These posts aren't a good look.

[EP 54 is banned from Collision]

I mean, Yuka is my favourite woman wrestler, so I care. And I only know her through AEW. I haven't been watching Dynamite because the Bullshit Clubs antics leave me cold, but I'm going to tune in to watch Yuka.

[toodarkmark]

A small sample size, but Yuka's announcement on the Wrestling Observer twitter has 504 likes, and Diamond Mine premiering on NXT has 24 likes. So obviously, people like her.

[markymark]

So Bea Priestly is NXT UK Bound, oh what couldve been if the pandemic never happened and got Nyla vs Bea for the title....

Back to the Joshi talk, the only Joshis who couldnt get over were Shoko because she joined in the wrong place and the wrong time(Britt getting concussed and when Riho was one of the most over acts in the company), and Emi due to her Fredy Mercury character being a huge turnoff(she at least redeemed herself big time this year with the back to back to back bangers vs Veny, Yuka and the Trios match)

[Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby]

Jun 24, 2021 14:59:38 GMT -5 markymark said:

So Bea Priestly is NXT UK Bound, oh what couldve been if the pandemic never happened and got Nyla vs Bea for the title....

Back to the Joshi talk, the only Joshis who couldnt get over were Shoko because she joined in the wrong place and the wrong time(Britt getting concussed and when Riho was one of the most over acts in the company), and Emi due to her Fredy Mercury character being a huge turnoff(she at least redeemed herself big time this year with the back to back to back bangers vs Veny, Yuka and the Trios match)

And Shoko only had, what, two matches? The first when the promotion was still finding its feet and identity, and among other wrestlers who were being introduced to the audience.

Bring Shoko back now and throw her against Hirsch, Abadon, Shida, Jade, or Swole, and she'd get over fine, I think. It says something that the joshi who had truly struck out in front of US crowds is Sakura, and largely because she overthought how to appeal to a US audience. The wrestlers who've stuck to their guns with defined, well-polished personas have gotten great reactions.

As is, I'd really love to see Shoko Nakajima come back. I assume that she'd have been announced if she were accompanying Yuka again for this go-around, but I can hope that she'll be there at next opportunity.

[Hypnosis]

Jun 24, 2021 14:59:38 GMT -5 markymark said:

So Bea Priestly is NXT UK Bound, oh what couldve been if the pandemic never happened and got Nyla vs Bea for the title....

Back to the Joshi talk, the only Joshis who couldnt get over were Shoko because she joined in the wrong place and the wrong time(Britt getting concussed and when Riho was one of the most over acts in the company), and Emi due to her Fredy Mercury character being a huge turnoff(she at least redeemed herself big time this year with the back to back to back bangers vs Veny, Yuka and the Trios match)

I know Fight for the Fallen is a tribute show, but the 2019 event is still one of my least favorite AEW PPVs.

Baker's concussion and the way AEW handled it, Dark Order going over the two other teams when their act was still cold, Hangman's push feeling forced at the time, and his match with Sabian going too long.

It's amazing how well AEW rebounded after all that.

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Jun 24, 2021 15:10:25 GMT -5 Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby said:

Jun 24, 2021 14:59:38 GMT -5 markymark said:

So Bea Priestly is NXT UK Bound, oh what couldve been if the pandemic never happened and got Nyla vs Bea for the title....

Back to the Joshi talk, the only Joshis who couldnt get over were Shoko because she joined in the wrong place and the wrong time(Britt getting concussed and when Riho was one of the most over acts in the company), and Emi due to her Fredy Mercury character being a huge turnoff(she at least redeemed herself big time this year with the back to back to back bangers vs Veny, Yuka and the Trios match)

And Shoko only had, what, two matches? The first when the promotion was still finding its feet and identity, and among other wrestlers who were being introduced to the audience.

Bring Shoko back now and throw her against Hirsch, Abadon, Shida, Jade, or Swole, and she'd get over fine, I think. It says something that the joshi who had truly struck out in front of US crowds is Sakura, and largely because she overthought how to appeal to a US audience. The wrestlers who've stuck to their guns with defined, well-polished personas have gotten great reactions.

As is, I'd really love to see Shoko Nakajima come back. I assume that she'd have been announced if she were accompanying Yuka again for this go-around, but I can hope that she'll be there at next opportunity.

Anytime I see Bea pop up somewhere I get confused and think theyre just trying to eventually sign Will. 

[The Captain]

I'm glad Bea Priestly is in NXT UK. It means she won't be in AEW again anytime soon.

[Feargus McReddit]

Jun 24, 2021 15:48:15 GMT -5 The Captain said:

I'm glad Bea Priestly is in NXT UK. It means she won't be in AEW again anytime soon.

Yeah, for as talented as she can be, I can't really say she'd add much after her unprofessional behaviour in the battle royale, never mind the stuff with Baker. That NXT UK locker room can keep her, really.

[markymark]

SRS on the Q&A said he does not talk to Tessa, but from what he heard from companies is that there is no interest in her.

We can also rule out Tessa ever stepping foot in AEW.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Jun 24, 2021 11:29:51 GMT -5 The Captain said:

Jun 24, 2021 7:29:29 GMT -5 pippen94 said:

Doesn't matter if it's a joshis or luchadoras. Ppl won't care if they don't know the participants.

Which match helped progress the division more; Britt vs Rosa or Shida vs Ryo?!

These posts aren't a good look.

Also not a woman example but didn't Laredo Kid appear for like two weeks and got SUPER over with the fanbase because he was just that damn good?

People give a shit when the wrestlers give a shit and show their stuff. If people don't inherently know the performer they do best to let people get to know them through their matches.

Nobody knew who the f*** Abadon was but then she had her presentation and match with Shida. She disappeared for months and then came back vs Anna Jay... the popularity and pop was still the same and it has only ever grown. 

In wrestling you are unknown until you aren't. Not showing people off the basis people wouldn't know them means like half of AEW's roster should have never shown up.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Jun 24, 2021 6:10:51 GMT -5 polarbearpete said:

Jun 24, 2021 2:28:42 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Yes which I think will begin to happen the more girls they consistently get. Give me Yuka vs Velvet, Baker, Abadon, Deeb, Conti? Those are all prime TV matches. Though I wouldnt be adverse to a Yuka/Velvet being like an Elevation main event.  

They have more than enough women to be featuring more of them on Dynamite. This really has nothing to do with the talent available anymore.

Yuka's one of the best women's wrestlers on the planet. If you have her for a month, you use her for a month. That's pretty cut and dry.

Joshi coming over and having great matches, some like Riho, Maki or Ryo trying to have a more permanent stay in AEW is all the more reason to establish them with fans and get them over. Yes the other girls also need more spotlight but I really don't see Yuka mucking anything up. If anything her inclusion hopefully helps more girls get features. She's someone you can trust in ring with just about anyone.