AEW Women's Division Discussion

[Kalmia]

It's very difficult to build up a division when they only get one segment per week on TV. Especially when it's the same slot before the main event. Hopefully, they'll get time every week on Rampage, too, and we can do more to build people up and keep pushes consistent. There's no reason for any talent (male or female) to appear on both Dynamite and Rampage each week. Mix it up!

[smokinvokoun86]

AEW hasn’t done the best job the world with their division. But...letting Bea Pristley go is faaar down the list of problems. And the major players that AEW does have in the division are all better than she is anyway.

[smokinvokoun86]

I do really hope with Rampage that that’s when we can see the division open up with more matches. I’m going to be optimistic on this. Because while they have taken a step back the last few months, it’s better than than the summer of last year. I refuse to believe AEW and Tony Khan doesn’t care about the division. I really don’t think it’s that. But I also probably can’t make a valid reason why they haven’t been featured enough either. Maybe it’s promos. I love Shida and she has worked hard with her english, but they couldn’t put her with a live mic. Statlander as much as I love her, isn’t a great promo. Anna Jay wasn’t great on the mic. The only women in the division that can cut really good promos are Britt, Nyla and Thunder Rosa. But then again, the only way you get better with promos is letting them talk more. So that’s not a valid reason either.

Basically I’m just as baffled as most people are, but I’d rather be optimistic and hope Rampage helps.

[Hypnosis]

Jul 1, 2021 19:49:02 GMT -5 smokinvokoun86 said:

I do really hope with Rampage that that’s when we can see the division open up with more matches. I’m going to be optimistic on this. Because while they have taken a step back the last few months, it’s better than than the summer of last year. I refuse to believe AEW and Tony Khan doesn’t care about the division. I really don’t think it’s that. But I also probably can’t make a valid reason why they haven’t been featured enough either. Maybe it’s promos. I love Shida and she has worked hard with her english, but they couldn’t put her with a live mic. Statlander as much as I love her, isn’t a great promo. Anna Jay wasn’t great on the mic. The only women in the division that can cut really good promos are Britt, Nyla and Thunder Rosa. But then again, the only way you get better with promos is letting them talk more. So that’s not a valid reason either.

Basically I’m just as baffled as most people are, but I’d rather be optimistic and hope Rampage helps.

I figured the Nightmare Factory would have had promo classes like the PC does.

[markymark]

Jul 1, 2021 18:41:47 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Jul 1, 2021 18:36:46 GMT -5 Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby said:

The hell reason has there been to be otherwise? Ryo Mizunami spent most of her tour just having good no-story matches on Elevation, AEW's adherence to having one women's match per show (with what, three exceptions ever?) necessarily pushes a lot of really good talent off the show for weeks to months at a time, the women's wrestling is often used to prop up Elevation while still not giving them any feuds beyond one-week tiffs with a heel JTTS, and even the matches on Dynamite are sometimes just vehicles for a men's angle.

AEW has earned some effing cynicism in this department. A highlight every few months hasn't ended the persistent issues, and I'll believe that Rampage fixes the issue (instead of just spreading it out) when I see it.

I suppose where I come from is they have and are getting so much talent back on a more consistent basis that I don't see them holding back much longer.

Rosa should be getting free soon. Deeb is free. Riho's gonna be stationed in the US permanently very soon. I have no clue what Ryo is doing but I assume she'll be back in the future, and they're getting Yuka for at least a month.

I'm in the same boat as everyone else that the girls need more than what they're currently getting, but I'm not yet worried or pessimistic that it won't turn around especially going back on the road. They have a bevy of talent they can now use (Depending on who might go when they finally leave Daily's) and I have to imagine they're gonna use it.

Plus if you put more women's matches on it also means you can hold of on some mens matches or give the men some breaks once in awhile. They have the star power to put on amazing matches. I just hope we get so see more of that. If we don't start to see this on Rampage then I don't really know what they're waiting for. I also have no idea if Sonjay Dutt is the answer, but if he can help then absolutely give him the book.  

Ryo is busy with Chocopro and Seadlinnng. With Japan set to start issuing vaccine passports late July, its a good sign that we might get Ryo, Emi back soon(or least around All Out week).

Jul 1, 2021 19:49:02 GMT -5 smokinvokoun86 said:

I do really hope with Rampage that that’s when we can see the division open up with more matches. I’m going to be optimistic on this. Because while they have taken a step back the last few months, it’s better than than the summer of last year. I refuse to believe AEW and Tony Khan doesn’t care about the division. I really don’t think it’s that. But I also probably can’t make a valid reason why they haven’t been featured enough either. Maybe it’s promos. I love Shida and she has worked hard with her english, but they couldn’t put her with a live mic. Statlander as much as I love her, isn’t a great promo. Anna Jay wasn’t great on the mic. The only women in the division that can cut really good promos are Britt, Nyla and Thunder Rosa. But then again, the only way you get better with promos is letting them talk more. So that’s not a valid reason either.

Basically I’m just as baffled as most people are, but I’d rather be optimistic and hope Rampage helps.

Tay also isnt good in the mic, and Serena is probably the worst promo woman in the division. 

True about letting them talk more to improve their promo skills, look at Jade for example, she was really bad in her debut but has gotten better.

[HR]

It's always the same with AEW and the women - people desperately hoping that X event will cause things to turn around - but the track record is set now, I think it is what it is. First it was Kenny being more/less involved that was going to improve things, then it was Brandi butting out would improve things, then it was the tag tournament, then it was the unsanctioned match, then it was Britt winning the title, now it's going back on the road and the new show. Every time there is a glimmer of hope it is snuffed out pretty quickly.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Jul 1, 2021 22:38:22 GMT -5 HR said:

It's always the same with AEW and the women - people desperately hoping that X event will cause things to turn around - but the track record is set now, I think it is what it is. First it was Kenny being more/less involved that was going to improve things, then it was Brandi butting out would improve things, then it was the tag tournament, then it was the unsanctioned match, then it was Britt winning the title, now it's going back on the road and the new show. Every time there is a glimmer of hope it is snuffed out pretty quickly.

I don't think it's arguable that The Women's Division this year as a whole has been infinitely better than last year

Yeah they still need to find time to present them more consistently but the quality and overall depth they have isn't even close. Things have improved in a lot of areas. They need more time. Realistically Rampage IS more time so of course people are hopeful this will help.

Considering how many matches they get on the Youtube shows AEW isn't ignoring what they have. It's a matter of getting them on TV and fitting them into storylines and giving them their time to shine more often.

The other factor is getting everyone. Rosa's been doing other commitments like MMA and NWA which has made it a bit more difficult to book her consistently for storylines even though they clearly want to. Deeb was the same but she finally seems out of it. Riho's moving to the US and trying to become a weekly feature. We have things coming together if slower than people would like for a well stacked and well shown off women's division. Especially when Anna Jay.

Featuring them more in men's storylines has also been wanted and with the Statlander/Allie Mixed Tag they're trying to deliver there too. I see them actively trying to do things with the girls, the crux of it all is time and booking management for lower card storylines and focus. If a second TV show can't do that, I agree they're in desperate need of someone who can do it better.

[smokinvokoun86]

Jul 1, 2021 22:48:48 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Jul 1, 2021 22:38:22 GMT -5 HR said:

It's always the same with AEW and the women - people desperately hoping that X event will cause things to turn around - but the track record is set now, I think it is what it is. First it was Kenny being more/less involved that was going to improve things, then it was Brandi butting out would improve things, then it was the tag tournament, then it was the unsanctioned match, then it was Britt winning the title, now it's going back on the road and the new show. Every time there is a glimmer of hope it is snuffed out pretty quickly.

I don't think it's arguable that The Women's Division this year as a whole has been infinitely better than last year

Yeah they still need to find time to present them more consistently but the quality and overall depth they have isn't even close. Things have improved in a lot of areas. They need more time. Realistically Rampage IS more time so of course people are hopeful this will help.

Considering how many matches they get on the Youtube shows AEW isn't ignoring what they have. It's a matter of getting them on TV and fitting them into storylines and giving them their time to shine more often.

The other factor is getting everyone. Rosa's been doing other commitments like MMA and NWA which has made it a bit more difficult to book her consistently for storylines even though they clearly want to. Deeb was the same but she finally seems out of it. Riho's moving to the US and trying to become a weekly feature. We have things coming together if slower than people would like for a well stacked and well shown off women's division. Especially when Anna Jay.

Featuring them more in men's storylines has also been wanted and with the Statlander/Allie Mixed Tag they're trying to deliver there too. I see them actively trying to do things with the girls, the crux of it all is time and booking management for lower card storylines and focus. If a second TV show can't do that, I agree they're in desperate need of someone who can do it better.

They are getting a lot of matches on YouTube shows. It’s not Dynamite, but it’s not like the women are collecting dust and not ever being used at all. The new show SHOULD help. If Rampage comes and they are still not putting the women on, then I think there is a serious problem. I’m still optimistic and giving them the benefit of the doubt. That is wearing thin to be honest, but they don’t have any more excuses left if it doesn’t change with the new show.

[The Captain]

To quote the owner of the other company (that ironically gave her a job): Bea Priestly screwed Bea Priestly. AEW didn't waste her talent. She wasted it her damn self with her sloppiness and attitude problems.

Next you'll be saying AEW screwed over Ivelisse.

[pippen94]

Jul 1, 2021 12:47:11 GMT -5 Yamashita Enforcement Division said:

Jul 1, 2021 6:30:19 GMT -5 chrom said:

It never should've happened and whoever booked it should take a paycut

What the f*** are you talking about. The tag match was fine and entirely should have happened. It was meant to provide context to the future Dr. Baker/Nyla Rose title match. Like it was booking with a clear purpose (showcasing that Dr. Baker and Nyla Rose are both heels (of different flavors) who are deffo going to go to war for the belt.)

If women are only afforded one match a week on dynamite do you think the best way to showcase division is giving rebel & Vicky that match??
How about Vicky no selling the champion's finisher or predictable table spot at end?!
Give layla & tay a match, have tay win with a DDT. Layla can do interview claiming tay winning with that move was weak because she has rep as jiu-jitsu expert. This can lead to submission match

[pippen94]

Jul 1, 2021 17:57:39 GMT -5 markymark said:

Couldve booked a multiwoman match for FF Night 2, Yuka has history with both Nyla and Britt, and added Rosa as well and u could end up with a fun fatal 4 way match.

To a regular fan who isn't a joshi mark yuka isn't a big deal. Better to build feud for Britt with Tay or Kris or Riho or ?!

[pippen94]

Jul 1, 2021 20:00:08 GMT -5 markymark said:

Jul 1, 2021 18:41:47 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

I suppose where I come from is they have and are getting so much talent back on a more consistent basis that I don't see them holding back much longer.

Rosa should be getting free soon. Deeb is free. Riho's gonna be stationed in the US permanently very soon. I have no clue what Ryo is doing but I assume she'll be back in the future, and they're getting Yuka for at least a month.

I'm in the same boat as everyone else that the girls need more than what they're currently getting, but I'm not yet worried or pessimistic that it won't turn around especially going back on the road. They have a bevy of talent they can now use (Depending on who might go when they finally leave Daily's) and I have to imagine they're gonna use it.

Plus if you put more women's matches on it also means you can hold of on some mens matches or give the men some breaks once in awhile. They have the star power to put on amazing matches. I just hope we get so see more of that. If we don't start to see this on Rampage then I don't really know what they're waiting for. I also have no idea if Sonjay Dutt is the answer, but if he can help then absolutely give him the book.  

Ryo is busy with Chocopro and Seadlinnng. With Japan set to start issuing vaccine passports late July, its a good sign that we might get Ryo, Emi back soon(or least around All Out week).

Jul 1, 2021 19:49:02 GMT -5 smokinvokoun86 said:

I do really hope with Rampage that that’s when we can see the division open up with more matches. I’m going to be optimistic on this. Because while they have taken a step back the last few months, it’s better than than the summer of last year. I refuse to believe AEW and Tony Khan doesn’t care about the division. I really don’t think it’s that. But I also probably can’t make a valid reason why they haven’t been featured enough either. Maybe it’s promos. I love Shida and she has worked hard with her english, but they couldn’t put her with a live mic. Statlander as much as I love her, isn’t a great promo. Anna Jay wasn’t great on the mic. The only women in the division that can cut really good promos are Britt, Nyla and Thunder Rosa. But then again, the only way you get better with promos is letting them talk more. So that’s not a valid reason either.

Basically I’m just as baffled as most people are, but I’d rather be optimistic and hope Rampage helps.

Tay also isnt good in the mic, and Serena is probably the worst promo woman in the division. 

True about letting them talk more to improve their promo skills, look at Jade for example, she was really bad in her debut but has gotten better.

Tay & Serena were great on unrestricted - they can get over talking

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Jul 2, 2021 1:07:06 GMT -5 pippen94 said:

Jul 1, 2021 17:57:39 GMT -5 markymark said:

Couldve booked a multiwoman match for FF Night 2, Yuka has history with both Nyla and Britt, and added Rosa as well and u could end up with a fun fatal 4 way match.

To a regular fan who isn't a joshi mark yuka isn't a big deal. Better to build feud for Britt with Tay or Kris or Riho or ?!

Dude I am begging you not to derail this thread again with the "Nobody who isn't a Joshi mark will care about Yuka". PLEASE.

[pippen94]

Jul 2, 2021 1:43:06 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Jul 2, 2021 1:07:06 GMT -5 pippen94 said:

To a regular fan who isn't a joshi mark yuka isn't a big deal. Better to build feud for Britt with Tay or Kris or Riho or ?!

Dude I am begging you not to derail this thread again with the "Nobody who isn't a Joshi mark will care about Yuka". PLEASE.

Accept fact most fans don't follow joshi or know who the f*** yuka is. I never said fans couldn't care for yuka, but right now the idea of her vs Britt being a dream match is fantasy.
Give Britt a meaningful program like developing her rivalry with other over female talent.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Jul 2, 2021 1:53:45 GMT -5 pippen94 said:

Jul 2, 2021 1:43:06 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Dude I am begging you not to derail this thread again with the "Nobody who isn't a Joshi mark will care about Yuka". PLEASE.

Accept fact most fans don't follow joshi or know who the f*** yuka is. I never said fans couldn't care for yuka, but right now the idea of her vs Britt being a dream match is fantasy.
Give Britt a meaningful program like developing her rivalry with other over female talent.

Do something like Nyla and Yuka vs Britt and Leyla Hirsch

All these women have an issue with each other. Both teams are going to have issues co-existing for the win. You develop and showcase Leyla Hirsch and you use Yuka how you want to use her while playing into her history with Britt. You get four women on TV

This doesn't have to be world title match fantasy booking. It can be used in ways to just put on good matches and progress the story forward. Plus Nyla's feud ends mid July. If you build Yuka up enough a singles match where Britt beats her at say Fight for the Fallen is doable for the title or not. She has wins this year due to the tournament so you could build her up for it potentially. Then Britt builds programs for August and for All Out. It's not hard.

And as has been said before Yuka is one of the best women's wrestlers in the world, you can get the casuals and the fans to care about her if you present her as such. And any AEW fans who have been watching from the beginning know who Yuka is due to her matches on the first shows and her Britt matches. She's been gone a bit but while she'll need to re-introduce herself, there are AEW fans who know her from that and from the Women's Tourney where she looked great. This isn't hard to do and won't be hard to do. 

[Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby]

Jul 2, 2021 1:53:45 GMT -5 pippen94 said:

Jul 2, 2021 1:43:06 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Dude I am begging you not to derail this thread again with the "Nobody who isn't a Joshi mark will care about Yuka". PLEASE.

Accept fact most fans don't follow joshi or know who the f*** yuka is. I never said fans couldn't care for yuka, but right now the idea of her vs Britt being a dream match is fantasy.
Give Britt a meaningful program like developing her rivalry with other over female talent.

You realize that you can just dislike a wrestler and express that without couching it in terms of hypothetical "regular fans" who happen to share all of your opinions, right?

Like, Ryo Mizunami got great reactions and good ratings off of less exposure to the audience than Sakazaki has had in AEW (and in fact, mostly through shows that Sakazaki was also on). And Sakazaki already has a grudge against Britt that can be recapped with a single clip. The evidence suggests that a Yuka/Britt match would do just fine...and how well it does is really only a matter for AEW's accountants, so fans can be free to like it or not and let their interest be part of the data naturally.

The only reason it is even an either/or proposition is because of flaws in AEW's booking. A better booked division where K-Stat, Riho, and Conti had good angles right now would still have room for an S-tier guest star to pad the champion's reign with a good match.

[El Cokehead del Knife Fight]

Seems weird that it's the same person downplaying the Joshi and how they don't care about them, therefore all fans don't.

[Mozenrath]

Yuka and Britt wrestled already and have a ready-made reason to wrestle, especially given Yuka won their match before Britt went after her tooth.

It'd be stupid NOT to run the match.

[thatloser]

Jul 1, 2021 18:14:14 GMT -5 markymark said:

Im expecting her to be on Elevation in Miami, probably facing someone like Diamante, booking a B feud for the division isnt hard, my idea would be to have a pretaped inteview with Marvez interviewing Yuka, Yuka calls out Britt to get revenge for last years incident but instead she meets Penelope and Allie, Riho backs up Yuka and we get a mini feud until Fight for Fallen.

The fact Yuka and Riho have proven to move the needle in the ratings is probably the best excuse to put them on tv.

I know they tagged afterwards but I kinda would rather see Riho and Yuka feud then team after Riho pushed Yuka over for no reason after the triple threat at Fyter Fest

Jul 1, 2021 18:41:47 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

 I have no clue what Ryo is doing but I assume she'll be back in the future, and they're getting Yuka for at least a month.

If you want the free stuff she just had her first match in Chocopro since February. She's in their OOAKTag league. Her first match in the league was on Chocopro 130 but the league started on 127. Just note Chocopro is not everyone's cup of tea mainly due to them not using a wrestling ring (well there have been a handful of shows in a ring) and it being intergender. So you may not like it or you may not even have time to watch. I just thought I would link as well it's free.

[polarbearpete]

Jul 1, 2021 22:38:22 GMT -5 HR said:

It's always the same with AEW and the women - people desperately hoping that X event will cause things to turn around - but the track record is set now, I think it is what it is. First it was Kenny being more/less involved that was going to improve things, then it was Brandi butting out would improve things, then it was the tag tournament, then it was the unsanctioned match, then it was Britt winning the title, now it's going back on the road and the new show. Every time there is a glimmer of hope it is snuffed out pretty quickly.

Exactly, the goalposts keep moving and the can keeps getting kicked down the road. The excuse used to be that the roster was too thin due to the pandemic and injuries. But that’s certainly not a valid reason anymore, yet the division still seems highly limited in how much it’s featured on Dynamite.