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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2020 0:57:54 GMT -5
If nothing else I think it's incredibly telling that all of the other belts have main-evented Dynamite yet despite all of their belts supposedly being equal the Women's one never has. Then again the same complaint can be leveraged at the tag division to a lesser extent - despite supposedly being a company where tag teams can main event the only time the tag division's ever closed a PPV was when there was nothing else on the show that conceivably could have. I thought the women's title had main evented Dynamite? Didn't they make a big deal about that at some point? Was the match between Riho and Nyla to crown the first champion the main event? Or a match soon after? I think they called it a main event but I think it was the top of the second hour. The main event of that show was the Elite / Inner Circle six-man.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Aug 9, 2020 13:06:27 GMT -5
The problem that I see is that they don't have any strong heels available to be foils to Shida once she was done with Nyla. Britt's probably their #1 heel but she's injured and feuding with Swole. Abadon and Anna Jay, with The Dark Order backing her, have potential but they need to be built up. Mel and Leva Bates are jobbers. Penelope Ford just reeked of a filler feud. Bea Priestley is really the only other heel they have and she's unavailable.
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 9, 2020 16:06:59 GMT -5
The problem that I see is that they don't have any strong heels available to be foils to Shida once she was done with Nyla. Britt's probably their #1 heel but she's injured and feuding with Swole. Abadon and Anna Jay, with The Dark Order backing her, have potential but they need to be built up. Mel and Leva Bates are jobbers. Penelope Ford just reeked of a filler feud. Bea Priestley is really the only other heel they have and she's unavailable. Definitely the reason why they went with the "open challenge" angle for Shida: they needed new faces around to give her matches, which simultaneously builds her up while also covering for the number of women they're missing. Still, as of now it's not happening enough, and with All Out getting pretty close she could really use at least one more challenger before the PPV. That said, if I was booking this and had no restrictions whatsoever on what I could do or who I could hire, I'd have Vickie call out Shida this week and say she has a new client alongside Nyla who wants to accept Shida's open challenge, keep the client secret until the pay per view, and then debut Thunder Rosa for the big title match. Those two could absolutely tear the house down, and Rosa could lose and still get over like hell with the audience. It'd be a bit of an issue since Vickie would have to balance both Nyla and Rosa wanting top billing, so I could imagine them wanting to avoid that, but hey, I'd still mark for it.
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Post by bob on Aug 9, 2020 16:09:49 GMT -5
the biggest problem right now is that injuries derailed the division, along with Kong leaving for GLOW
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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on Aug 9, 2020 16:22:50 GMT -5
the biggest problem right now is that injuries derailed the division, along with Kong leaving for GLOW We never got that match with her and Aja Kong She seemed pretty limited in the ring by that point, I don't know how much mileage you would have gotten out of her
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Aug 9, 2020 17:20:43 GMT -5
That said, if I was booking this and had no restrictions whatsoever on what I could do or who I could hire, I'd have Vickie call out Shida this week and say she has a new client alongside Nyla who wants to accept Shida's open challenge, keep the client secret until the pay per view, and then debut Thunder Rosa for the big title match. Those two could absolutely tear the house down, and Rosa could lose and still get over like hell with the audience. It'd be a bit of an issue since Vickie would have to balance both Nyla and Rosa wanting top billing, so I could imagine them wanting to avoid that, but hey, I'd still mark for it. My own fantasy book would be Hyan as the next Vickie client - she is a polished wrestler with some great mannerisms and some swagger, but only a small amount of gimmick definition. Perfect for a manager and an alliance with a known monster - define her via association with Vickie and contrast with Nyla - while also someone who wouldn't overshadow the established main eventer or be diminished by her.
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Post by Venti on Aug 9, 2020 18:39:31 GMT -5
I kinda take issue with how their women's tag tournament is on youtube instead of their weekly two hours of programming.
Do they even mention it on Dynamite?
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Post by Cyno on Aug 9, 2020 18:49:28 GMT -5
the biggest problem right now is that injuries derailed the division, along with Kong leaving for GLOW We never got that match with her and Aja Kong She seemed pretty limited in the ring by that point, I don't know how much mileage you would have gotten out of her Yeah, Awesome Kong was already a part-timer at best.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2020 18:52:30 GMT -5
The problem that I see is that they don't have any strong heels available to be foils to Shida once she was done with Nyla. Britt's probably their #1 heel but she's injured and feuding with Swole. Abadon and Anna Jay, with The Dark Order backing her, have potential but they need to be built up. Mel and Leva Bates are jobbers. Penelope Ford just reeked of a filler feud. Bea Priestley is really the only other heel they have and she's unavailable. I think Abadon has amazing potential, but she needs some more experience first before being in the title hunt. The announcers even mentioned during her last match she's only been wrestling one and half years. she just needs some ring time with vets that help elevate her to the next level.... because she's obviously already got her look and character on point
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Aug 9, 2020 18:59:36 GMT -5
The thing is, there isn't an abundance of faces, either. If a heel takes it from Shida, the options for the time being are Swole, Shida, Brandi, and seemingly Conti.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 9, 2020 19:00:41 GMT -5
I kinda take issue with how their women's tag tournament is on youtube instead of their weekly two hours of programming. Do they even mention it on Dynamite? Deadly Draw is apparently a test and development for the girls to help draw online interest and show their drawing power in a standalone format, and its been successful so far They've done some draws and mentioned it on Dynamite before yes
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 10, 2020 5:21:40 GMT -5
The problem that I see is that they don't have any strong heels available to be foils to Shida once she was done with Nyla. Britt's probably their #1 heel but she's injured and feuding with Swole. Abadon and Anna Jay, with The Dark Order backing her, have potential but they need to be built up. Mel and Leva Bates are jobbers. Penelope Ford just reeked of a filler feud. Bea Priestley is really the only other heel they have and she's unavailable. I think Abadon has amazing potential, but she needs some more experience first before being in the title hunt. The announcers even mentioned during her last match she's only been wrestling one and half years. she just needs some ring time with vets that help elevate her to the next level.... because she's obviously already got her look and character on point In a sense, I like the strategy they're going for in this regard: rather than get into bidding wars with WWE over the relatively smaller number of well-established indy women who are out there (at least relative to available guys), they're focusing on signing women who have less experience but seem to have high potential, then apparently having them work with Dustin and Jericho on rounding out their games in ring and on mic. Just watching Anna Jay, for example, I'd have never guessed she's only had a couple dozen professional matches as she looks very comfortable in the ring already, so that bodes very well for what she can bring in the future as she continues to grow; but I also get not wanting to thrust her into the spotlight immediately, since you don't want to potentially put someone that new in a position to fail or to be overexposed so early on in their career. Kind of like a sports team building a roster through the draft and player development systems instead of spending bigger on free agents, I guess. Drawback is, of course, that doing that takes time, and given the shortage of women they've had to deal with since the pandemic began they really do need to bring in a couple more names, since given the US's horrific lack of response to COVID we might not see Riho, Shanna, or Priestly until well into next year, and that's probably if we're lucky. Eager to see how the Deadly Draw looks today, hopefully should give us a good indication of some names who might be sticking around to get things on track.
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Post by polarbearpete on Aug 10, 2020 12:40:50 GMT -5
I think Abadon has amazing potential, but she needs some more experience first before being in the title hunt. The announcers even mentioned during her last match she's only been wrestling one and half years. she just needs some ring time with vets that help elevate her to the next level.... because she's obviously already got her look and character on point In a sense, I like the strategy they're going for in this regard: rather than get into bidding wars with WWE over the relatively smaller number of well-established indy women who are out there (at least relative to available guys), they're focusing on signing women who have less experience but seem to have high potential, then apparently having them work with Dustin and Jericho on rounding out their games in ring and on mic. Just watching Anna Jay, for example, I'd have never guessed she's only had a couple dozen professional matches as she looks very comfortable in the ring already, so that bodes very well for what she can bring in the future as she continues to grow; but I also get not wanting to thrust her into the spotlight immediately, since you don't want to potentially put someone that new in a position to fail or to be overexposed so early on in their career. Kind of like a sports team building a roster through the draft and player development systems instead of spending bigger on free agents, I guess. Drawback is, of course, that doing that takes time, and given the shortage of women they've had to deal with since the pandemic began they really do need to bring in a couple more names, since given the US's horrific lack of response to COVID we might not see Riho, Shanna, or Priestly until well into next year, and that's probably if we're lucky. Eager to see how the Deadly Draw looks today, hopefully should give us a good indication of some names who might be sticking around to get things on track. Recently though they haven’t been losing out to WWE for women outside of Mercedes, they’ve been losing out to Impact. I can’t imagine they can’t easily outspend Impact if the desire to improve the division is there.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Aug 10, 2020 12:43:24 GMT -5
There is also some weirdness in signing unknowns, WWE developmental wrestlers, and rookies with the intent of training them up...but not doing the same with polished wrestlers who are a gimmick change or a good angle away from being on everyone's radar.
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Post by dpg on Aug 10, 2020 13:18:34 GMT -5
In a sense, I like the strategy they're going for in this regard: rather than get into bidding wars with WWE over the relatively smaller number of well-established indy women who are out there (at least relative to available guys), they're focusing on signing women who have less experience but seem to have high potential, then apparently having them work with Dustin and Jericho on rounding out their games in ring and on mic. Just watching Anna Jay, for example, I'd have never guessed she's only had a couple dozen professional matches as she looks very comfortable in the ring already, so that bodes very well for what she can bring in the future as she continues to grow; but I also get not wanting to thrust her into the spotlight immediately, since you don't want to potentially put someone that new in a position to fail or to be overexposed so early on in their career. Kind of like a sports team building a roster through the draft and player development systems instead of spending bigger on free agents, I guess. Drawback is, of course, that doing that takes time, and given the shortage of women they've had to deal with since the pandemic began they really do need to bring in a couple more names, since given the US's horrific lack of response to COVID we might not see Riho, Shanna, or Priestly until well into next year, and that's probably if we're lucky. Eager to see how the Deadly Draw looks today, hopefully should give us a good indication of some names who might be sticking around to get things on track. Recently though they haven’t been losing out to WWE for women outside of Mercedes, they’ve been losing out to Impact. I can’t imagine they can’t easily outspend Impact if the desire to improve the division is there. AEW could have outbidded Impact for any of their new female signings. They didn't. Odd.
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 10, 2020 14:13:45 GMT -5
We went over that previously; fact is, none of us know what the story is on why Purrazzo and Kimber Lee are in Impact and not AEW. Impact's negotiation strategy in the tougher modern landscape where they're the smallest company has been aggressive, so maybe that's the driver; maybe it isn't. Maybe there were negotiations that simply stalled; maybe there weren't. Might have to do with not having confidence bringing in a lot of people at once and having enough for them while trying to keep current roster members over, or it might not.
I think a fair case can be made for them to be more aggressive on that front, for sure, but I also have no idea who's fully available, who's interested in signing right now on whatever terms, etc. I think the "bring in younger, less experienced wrestlers and train them up" strategy is something they see as a long term answer, but it's certainly true they could use a short term one, as well, again given that there's no telling when their international workers will be back.
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Post by eJm on Aug 10, 2020 14:31:25 GMT -5
We went over that previously; fact is, none of us know what the story is on why Purrazzo and Kimber Lee are in Impact and not AEW. Impact's negotiation strategy in the tougher modern landscape where they're the smallest company has been aggressive, so maybe that's the driver; maybe it isn't. Maybe there were negotiations that simply stalled; maybe there weren't. Might have to do with not having confidence bringing in a lot of people at once and having enough for them while trying to keep current roster members over, or it might not. I think a fair case can be made for them to be more aggressive on that front, for sure, but I also have no idea who's fully available, who's interested in signing right now on whatever terms, etc. I think the "bring in younger, less experienced wrestlers and train them up" strategy is something they see as a long term answer, but it's certainly true they could use a short term one, as well, again given that there's no telling when their international workers will be back. I think the thing we have to also throw in is that, at this point, Impact is the Devil you know in terms of its women’s division. Their peak had a strong women’s division and at the time, they were an appealing option to people not signed to WWE because they were way more flexible and could allow for indie dates in between. Along with that, when AEW first formed, WWE hoovered up a lot of talent and MLW made some moves for some talent. AEW is still in an up and down state. There have been good signings and moments and stuff that hasn’t gone to plan. It’s not as bad as people say but it’s also not great. And whilst it’s not ideal they’re on YT with most of this tournament, the number for the first show was strong and if that builds, that’ll be a good thing. I mean, if I were them, I would have signed Kimber Lee right away and Doenna I would have been on the phone to right when she was released. But then none of us know how stuff is like on their end and it isn’t like they haven’t tested the ground with people. If Ellering passes more auditions and Tay keeps impressing, they’ll be solid additions and it’s something to build from. I’m trying not to rule one way or another and I wish this discussion didn’t exist and AEW snagged more big free agents but...I don’t know.
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Post by Cyno on Aug 10, 2020 14:38:03 GMT -5
Doesn't Impact still tape in Canada? No doubt for anyone conscious about the pandemic would find that far more attractive an environment to be in than the Floridian Death Trap. That and their more pandemic-conscious schedule is another point in their favor.
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Post by dpg on Aug 10, 2020 14:43:23 GMT -5
Doesn't Impact still tape in Canada? No doubt for anyone conscious about the pandemic would find that far more attractive an environment to be in than the Floridian Death Trap. That and their more pandemic-conscious schedule is another point in their favor. Nashville.
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Post by eJm on Aug 10, 2020 14:44:04 GMT -5
Doesn't Impact still tape in Canada? No doubt for anyone conscious about the pandemic would find that far more attractive an environment to be in than the Floridian Death Trap. That and their more pandemic-conscious schedule is another point in their favor. Yeah, they tape, what, 6 shows over a couple of days? And then there are others taping Wrestle House on the side? That seems way easier for people then doing two weeks of shows and then a live show.
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