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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2021 15:10:35 GMT -5
That pretty much spells the end of ROH. If WCW couldn't make a go at it with their plans of "The Big Bang" back in 2001, what are the odds ROH can re-invent themselves after releasing everyone from their contracts and going dark for several months?
Combined with Sinclair going into the toilet after a horrendous investment into the former Fox Sports regional networks, there's no way I can see them coming back given the financial losses the parent company has been taking. Unlike with Impact Wrestling, there's not as much determination to keep the brand alive.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Oct 27, 2021 15:10:43 GMT -5
This is terrible for the industry if ROH ends up not coming back in some form. We need large companies supporting promotions of all sizes, especially in a post pandemic world where the effects are still being felt.
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Post by Hypnosis on Oct 27, 2021 15:11:43 GMT -5
That sucks. They were recovering well from 2019 too.
One less alternative for the non-WWE talent.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2021 15:12:48 GMT -5
So Impact automatically moves into being the 3rd biggest promotion with then MLW and I guess GCW pulling up from there if ROH is indeed done.
Crazy.
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Post by Cyno on Oct 27, 2021 15:14:06 GMT -5
Remember when tna was first going down the tubes and people we're saying Roh is now the number two promotion? Funny times. I mean, for a while it felt like it. You had the NJPW partnership, Bullet Club and The Elite, I mean hell Madison Square Garden was booked before the announcement of AEW.. but once AEW took off, it looked like game over for ROH sadly. I hope it's not it, but you could have easily made the case it was the number 2 American promotion. The Delirious/Bully Ray era did so much damage to the brand, with the G1 Supercard being such a botched opportunity to really define themselves. I don't even know if AEW's creation had much of anything to do with it so much as the pandemic probably taking a big economic toll on them, too.
It sucks because it feels like they're being punished for doing the right thing and paying everyone through the pandemic when everything was shut down.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Oct 27, 2021 15:15:38 GMT -5
Wow. I haven't followed ROH as much in recent years but it'll be a sad day if this is the end for them. They're just a few months away from their 20th anniversary. That's longer than ECW and WCW (89-2001 after the name change from NWA) combined.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Oct 27, 2021 15:16:41 GMT -5
This sucks. More companies are better for wrestling and ROH being one of the bigger ones takes one more place for people to land when WWE does it's bi-monthly releasing. Not too familiar with ROH's roster, who would be a good pickup for AEW, if they were to make a play, do you guys think?
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Post by mistery on Oct 27, 2021 15:17:57 GMT -5
It’s gonna be on for young and old for that tape library if it is indeed ballgame for ROH. I think WWE makes a big play to get it under their wing, but AEW could build a platform with AEW and ROH alone. Just me speculating, but Tony's hands may be tied on this matter. He may not be allowed to build his own streaming platform if his stuff is already on Fite and Bleacher Report/Warner streaming services. If that's the case, then its entirely up to them (Bleacher Report/Warnermedia). WWE likely has more leverage though considering they still operate the network internationally at the very least.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Oct 27, 2021 15:19:29 GMT -5
according to PWInsider, they already have a venue locked in for WM weekend in 2022
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Post by mattyy on Oct 27, 2021 15:20:16 GMT -5
Not too familiar with ROH's roster, who would be a good pickup for AEW, if they were to make a play, do you guys think? Honestly a good chunk. Safe bets are: Brodie King(Malakai Black's tag partner in PWG), RUSH and Dragon Lee(close to Andrade), Danhausen(has a lot of friends in AEW, and was just on the Jericho Cruise), and Johnathan Gresham(Bryan named him as one of the people he wants to work with in recent interviews).
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Post by Facetious on Oct 27, 2021 15:20:52 GMT -5
I imagine covid hurt them real bad last year. Zero events while paying talent to sit at home had to dig deep into their pockets.
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Post by Ganon83 on Oct 27, 2021 15:21:40 GMT -5
It’s gonna be on for young and old for that tape library if it is indeed ballgame for ROH. If this is it for ROH, you gotta imagine Khan is going to fight like hell to get the tape rights just for Punk and Danielson alone, let alone the Bullet Club era with all of the EVPs
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Oct 27, 2021 15:22:08 GMT -5
Folks talking about new AEW signings or really any new signing might be missing the plot cause the third/fourth biggest American company just dropping EVERYTHING like this…that’s not the greatest sign for the industry?? Particularly an industry that has less eyeballs on it in total than pretty much any other period outside of the dark ages in the mid 90’s
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Oct 27, 2021 15:22:25 GMT -5
This sucks. More companies are better for wrestling and ROH being one of the bigger ones takes one more place for people to land when WWE does it's bi-monthly releasing. Not too familiar with ROH's roster, who would be a good pickup for AEW, if they were to make a play, do you guys think? I’d honestly say that if things go how they are, we could see a bidding war that we hadn’t seen since January 2019.
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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on Oct 27, 2021 15:24:27 GMT -5
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Oct 27, 2021 15:24:49 GMT -5
Folks talking about new AEW signings or really any new signing might be missing the plot cause the third/fourth biggest American company just dropping EVERYTHING like this…that’s not the greatest sign for the industry?? Particularly an industry that has less eyeballs on it in total than pretty much any other period outside of the dark ages in the mid 90’s It’s not so much even that was ROH, sadly, not being able to establish itself for a long time after raids, botched shows and lack of standout shows. For the most part, it felt like a lot of the industry raced passed it. Especially your Beyonds, your GCWs and Defys and even PWG to an extent.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2021 15:25:22 GMT -5
It’s kinda insane the story of ROH post Cornette leaving. The rise of NJPW where they essentially give there share of the wrestling market over to them. NXT steals your stars so you kinda have to rely on NJPW. All this helps create AEW who takes more of your stars and share of the wrestling market. Then the MSG debacle, and COVID really hurts them.
AEW, Impact, Strong, MLW can’t sign everyone. I see WWE and AEW making big plays for that tape library. AEW getting the All In name alone would be a huge get for them.
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Post by sarkerpolseng on Oct 27, 2021 15:26:21 GMT -5
I hope he finds work outside of his channel. Excellent manager/broadcast jack of all trades
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2021 15:27:19 GMT -5
If this is it for ROH this is a big hit not just for wrestling but for just outright alternatives.
ROH filled a pretty specific niche of being a completely pure straight forward wrestling company.
MLW sort of serves that but especially lately only partially.
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Post by Cyno on Oct 27, 2021 15:30:42 GMT -5
Folks talking about new AEW signings or really any new signing might be missing the plot cause the third/fourth biggest American company just dropping EVERYTHING like this…that’s not the greatest sign for the industry?? Particularly an industry that has less eyeballs on it in total than pretty much any other period outside of the dark ages in the mid 90’s I don't think ROH's missteps and COVID-related economic woes are indicative of the industry as a whole. AEW is only growing, NWA had a nice resurgence after the pandemic, and Impact has had one of its best years in ages.
Yeah, TV numbers aren't what they used to be. But there's a lot more ways to watch wrestling content than TV these days that simply didn't exist in the 90's. It's completely irrelevant to ROH's situation anyway as they didn't have a real national TV deal and only aired syndicated across all manner of time slots on Sinclair affiliates.
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