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Post by thechase on May 14, 2021 12:58:38 GMT -5
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Post by BorneAgain on May 14, 2021 15:41:33 GMT -5
Honestly given that Big Finish is technically an independent audio drama company that has access to the Doctor Who license this is them rather smartly covering their ass, especially when its not clear what BBC's final decision about Barrowman will end up being.
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Post by thechase on May 15, 2021 5:43:14 GMT -5
Honestly given that Big Finish is technically an independent audio drama company that has access to the Doctor Who license this is them rather smartly covering their ass, especially when its not clear what BBC's final decision about Barrowman will end up being. The Time Fracture and Big Finish dismissals may or may not be independently made decisions, BBC studios I believe have shown their hand in this, but either way it was bound to happen. The interests of the brand come first.
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Post by thechase on Jun 14, 2021 5:06:57 GMT -5
Jodie's likeness has been left off the cover of this year's Doctor Who annual, although it was verified by the publisher she will feature in most of the book's contents. It's now being claimed Jodie's Doctor will make it through all of series 13, but will exit the show in 2022 after a couple of specials www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/jodie-whittaker-replaced-tardis-cover-24310862
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Jun 14, 2021 5:10:27 GMT -5
Jodie's likeness has been left off the cover of this year's Doctor Who annual, although it was verified by the publisher she will feature in most of the book's contents. It's now being claimed Jodie's Doctor will make it through all of series 13, but will exit the show in 2022 after a couple of specials www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/jodie-whittaker-replaced-tardis-cover-24310862I feel like there's a claim she's leaving each season.
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Post by thechase on Jun 14, 2021 5:47:24 GMT -5
Jodie's likeness has been left off the cover of this year's Doctor Who annual, although it was verified by the publisher she will feature in most of the book's contents. It's now being claimed Jodie's Doctor will make it through all of series 13, but will exit the show in 2022 after a couple of specials www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/jodie-whittaker-replaced-tardis-cover-24310862I feel like there's a claim she's leaving each season. The one about her leaving in series 12 was from a bunch of Youtubers, these claims are from a Mirror columnist who has had very accurate scoops about the show in the past. In any case, the writing's been on the wall for the last two and a half years. Jodie is barely promoted at all anymore in any of the merchandising, where as David Tennant, a Doctor who left eleven years ago, has been the entire focus of the marketing in comics, books, audios etc, more so than her. Why would the BBC keep her around when they're clearly backing away from promoting the era? No mate, Jodie hasn't been the answer to anything, and that means she isn't entitled to longevity, she's out.
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Post by Zombie Mod on Jun 14, 2021 17:49:16 GMT -5
the problem isnt Jodie as the doctor, it's the poor stories she (and Capaldi before her) has been given to work with.
it's felt like the last few series have been lacking something, for Jodie's doctor it's felt like *something happens* *the tardis turns up* *sort the problem* "oh people died, oh well... off we go" *leave for the next episode*, and it's a shame as she's a good actor and hasn't deserved the hate, venom and scorn aimed at her time in the show for things outside of her control.
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Post by BorneAgain on Jun 14, 2021 18:08:59 GMT -5
Modern Who has a couple of ailments its struggling with. As big as Jodie's casting was and the supposed bombshell of the Jo Martin Doctor, the show doesn't really feel like it has that much ambition, especially with the kind of stories its doing. Stuff like the Master destroying Gallifrey again just feels like a retread of territory the show's already done, and outside some interesting historicals, various episodes don't feel particularly explorative with concepts or characters.
That leads to another major problem of the companions reeking of tell don't show with their characterization. We are told about aspects with Graham, Ryan, and Yasmin but very often not shown with what we see. I had issues with Clara often not feeing like a genuine personality but she's positively Donna Noble esque compared to the contemporary "fam". Bradley Walsh was able to give some depth to Graham by sheer force of performance, but the writing just didn't do him that many favors.
Finally the pacing issues of Nu-Who have really become apparent in recent years after being a bit of problem for a while. Single episodes that introduce a new setting, dramatic stakes, plot changes, and resolution all in a 50 minute running time is not easy to do for a show like DW, and various stories as of late reflect. Certain elements including the companions themselves aren't getting looked at as much because its getting squeezed by the need to get everything wrapped up by the time the credits roll. I'll give Moffat grief for some of his decisions but the multi-part stories in series 9 & 10 were good additions that gave a lot of narratives room to breathe and roll with. Yeah he didn't always stick the landing (see Hell Bent) but the potential felt like it was at least somewhat achieved.
Chibnall era constantly feels like its struggling with that.
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Post by thechase on Jun 16, 2021 11:48:06 GMT -5
Yeah he didn't always stick the landing (see Hell Bent) A hot take: I've learned to love that one. Took me a few years, but I can confidently say that really was the one Nu Who should have ended on, maybe if someone stuck the last five minutes of the 2015 special onto it as an epilogue. Sure it's a big bait and switch story that's all about how toxic Twelve and Clara are together and not "The Bourne Identity"-esque toppling of Rassilon that fans expected after the brilliant "Heaven Sent" set-up, but that to me was subversion of expectation done absolutely right and, coming from a Clara hater that I am, it's probably my favourite Moffat era companion exit story because it thoroughly deconstructs that whole sordid partnership and, under the guise of an 'empowering' ending so her fanbase can cope better, doesn't do a thing to alter her ultimate fate that she brought on by being a reckless rascal with a death wish brought on by the depression over losing Danny Pink. It's glorious
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Jun 16, 2021 11:56:22 GMT -5
I really really wish it was Chibnall leaving, not Jodie. If another Doctor is around, and Chibnall is still showrunner, nothing substantial is changing. The opposite can be said if it's Jodie and a different showrunner.
Just like the 6th, 7th, 8th Doctor just needed new/better writers to make them shine, Jodie's Doctor just needs new eyes.
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Post by BorneAgain on Jun 16, 2021 12:53:25 GMT -5
Yeah he didn't always stick the landing (see Hell Bent) A hot take: I've learned to love that one. Took me a few years, but I can confidently say that really was the one Nu Who should have ended on, maybe if someone stuck the last five minutes of the 2015 special onto it as an epilogue. Sure it's a big bait and switch story that's all about how toxic Twelve and Clara are together and not "The Bourne Identity"-esque toppling of Rassilon that fans expected after the brilliant "Heaven Sent" set-up, but that to me was subversion of expectation done absolutely right and, coming from a Clara hater that I am, it's probably my favourite Moffat era companion exit story because it thoroughly deconstructs that whole sordid partnership and, under the guise of an 'empowering' ending so her fanbase can cope better, doesn't do a thing to alter her ultimate fate that she brought on by being a reckless rascal with a death wish brought on by the depression over losing Danny Pink. It's gloriousCan’t agree because the split focus means neither big concept can be done justice. Gallifrey’s return feels like a waste and the elements with Clara reek of the hastily rushed Moffat conclusion that had long since become tiresome. The end of series 10, even with its own issues feels like a stronger effort because it juggles it’s ideas a lot better.
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Post by thechase on Jun 16, 2021 13:35:07 GMT -5
A hot take: I've learned to love that one. Took me a few years, but I can confidently say that really was the one Nu Who should have ended on, maybe if someone stuck the last five minutes of the 2015 special onto it as an epilogue. Sure it's a big bait and switch story that's all about how toxic Twelve and Clara are together and not "The Bourne Identity"-esque toppling of Rassilon that fans expected after the brilliant "Heaven Sent" set-up, but that to me was subversion of expectation done absolutely right and, coming from a Clara hater that I am, it's probably my favourite Moffat era companion exit story because it thoroughly deconstructs that whole sordid partnership and, under the guise of an 'empowering' ending so her fanbase can cope better, doesn't do a thing to alter her ultimate fate that she brought on by being a reckless rascal with a death wish brought on by the depression over losing Danny Pink. It's gloriousCan’t agree because the split focus means neither big concept can be done justice. Gallifrey’s return feels like a waste and the elements with Clara reek of the hastily rushed Moffat conclusion that had long since become tiresome. The end of series 10, even with its own issues feels like a stronger effort because it juggles it’s ideas a lot better. Yeah, we will have to disagree here. Gallifrey's return was entirely in step with how it's portrayed in the conventional sense of Classic Who. It's a planet The Doctor really doesn't want to be on any longer than necessary and in this instance it was a means to his own ends rather than him allowing himself to be a means to theirs. As for Clara's conclusion? I don't think it was rushed at all, it built logically on from her loss in series eight and everything in series nine was her getting more reckless and setting herself above it all only to come crashing down, paying the price for trying to be The Doctor.
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Post by BorneAgain on Jun 16, 2021 15:30:20 GMT -5
Can’t agree because the split focus means neither big concept can be done justice. Gallifrey’s return feels like a waste and the elements with Clara reek of the hastily rushed Moffat conclusion that had long since become tiresome. The end of series 10, even with its own issues feels like a stronger effort because it juggles it’s ideas a lot better. Yeah, we will have to disagree here. Gallifrey's return was entirely in step with how it's portrayed in the conventional sense of Classic Who. It's a planet The Doctor really doesn't want to be on any longer than necessary and in this instance it was a means to his own ends rather than him allowing himself to be a means to theirs. As for Clara's conclusion? I don't think it was rushed at all, it built logically on from her loss in series eight and everything in series nine was her getting more reckless and setting herself above it all only to come crashing down, paying the price for trying to be The Doctor. The thing is, I wasn't even really interested in a Doctor vs. Corrupt Time Lord High Council tale that much. Its more that there was clear story potential in Time Lords/Gallifreyans reacting to the Doctor's return and vice versa. Perhaps there's a more nuanced view on how the everyday person views him than just as the war hero with many recalling some of his acts as the War Doctor. Maybe him genuinely seeing how much it and the people themselves have changed from the battle worn world he last saw it as could be something explored. In the grand scheme of things the show having its cake and eating it too with Clara getting a chance to live while still having to die is fine. Doing the Doctor as the renegade against the Time Lords is what it is (though that particular thread never getting picked up again by Moffat or Chibnall shows how valuable that ended up being). Its more that there was a really interesting narrative that Capaldi really could have done justice to that never really felt like it got the chance to unfold.
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Post by Celgress on Jul 8, 2021 13:23:30 GMT -5
My friend tells us why he stopped watching New Who (not what you may think) and what he feels makes a good hero -
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Post by thechase on Jul 9, 2021 9:33:52 GMT -5
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Post by thechase on Jul 25, 2021 12:19:22 GMT -5
Comic Con panel is up
Jacob Anderson (Game of Thrones) is in the cast as 'Vin Dar'
Series 13 will be one long continuous serialized story
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Post by thechase on Jul 25, 2021 13:15:10 GMT -5
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Post by thechase on Jul 29, 2021 9:16:42 GMT -5
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Post by Zombie Mod on Jul 29, 2021 9:49:54 GMT -5
chibnall leaving will be good for the show, shame Jodie is going as I'd like to see her doctor with better stories.
hoping the new show runner undoes the galifrey is dead again and the doctor being the timeless child decisions from this most recent series.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Jul 29, 2021 10:21:26 GMT -5
It's a shame these Doctor Who actors choose to get so closely tied to specific showrunners. Similar to Jodie and Chibnall, I would've really have liked to have seen what Matt Smith and especially Peter Capaldi could've done outside of Moffat.
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