Zone Was Wrong
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Jul 29, 2021 10:21:59 GMT -5
chibnall leaving will be good for the show, shame Jodie is going as I'd like to see her doctor with better stories. hoping the new show runner undoes the galifrey is dead again and the doctor being the timeless child decisions from this most recent series. Agreed on all points. Just like with Capaldi, I liked the actor, hated the direction.
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Post by grunt on Jul 29, 2021 10:25:45 GMT -5
I just realized I had forgotten everything about the Timeless Child until you mentioned it, and that I still haven't watched this past year's special... man, my interest for Chibnall's Who has really fallen down a cliff.
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Post by Ryushinku on Jul 29, 2021 10:30:37 GMT -5
Ah man. This one kinda hurts.
Not the change of Doctor so much - it's the ninth time since I started following the show that this has happened to me - but the feeling mostly that Jodie was a good Doctor not allowed to be a great one. I'm sad she's going.
I'm not going to throw a party or anything but I have no tears shed for Chibnall leaving. The level of writing too often let Jodie's era down badly, along with various creative and technical decisions.
I can only hope that Series 13 and the specials go out on a much higher note. Give Jodie the best exit they can.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jul 29, 2021 11:07:11 GMT -5
I actually still have yet to watch anything post-Capaldi, but that is largely due to it not being on Prime anymore.
One of these days I'll give HBO Max a spin and catch up.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jul 29, 2021 11:28:04 GMT -5
chibnall leaving will be good for the show, shame Jodie is going as I'd like to see her doctor with better stories. hoping the new show runner undoes the galifrey is dead again and the doctor being the timeless child decisions from this most recent series. I'm ok with them just ignoring them. Ok, Timeless Child, there are previous incarnations running around, cool, literally no need to mention that again, time and space are big so they never have to run into these unknown characters. Gallifrey dead... well it was dead for ages, came back, dead again, unless there's a particularly great story, no reason to head back there, just have allusions when the Master shows up and The Doctor explains how dangerous they are to new characters..
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Post by mrtuesday on Jul 29, 2021 11:33:24 GMT -5
2023 will be Doctor Who's 60th anniversary.
New Doctor. New show runner. I wonder what they will do for it, if they do anything at all.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Jul 29, 2021 12:22:36 GMT -5
Gutted Jodie isn’t going to get a different show-runner before she bows out, feels like a bit of a robbery all told.
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Post by thechase on Jul 29, 2021 12:41:41 GMT -5
I wish Tennant had taken that extra year with Moffat as showrunner.
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Post by Rave on Jul 29, 2021 12:42:41 GMT -5
Jodie deserved better, just as Capaldi did before her.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jul 29, 2021 12:44:50 GMT -5
I wish Tennant had taken that extra year with Moffat as showrunner. Never gonna disagree with an opinion that involves more David Tennant. He's my Doctor for sure.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jul 29, 2021 12:45:50 GMT -5
chibnall leaving will be good for the show, shame Jodie is going as I'd like to see her doctor with better stories. hoping the new show runner undoes the galifrey is dead again and the doctor being the timeless child decisions from this most recent series. I'm ok with them just ignoring them. Ok, Timeless Child, there are previous incarnations running around, cool, literally no need to mention that again, time and space are big so they never have to run into these unknown characters. Gallifrey dead... well it was dead for ages, came back, dead again, unless there's a particularly great story, no reason to head back there, just have allusions when the Master shows up and The Doctor explains how dangerous they are to new characters.. On second thought let's not go to Gallifrey. Tis a silly place.
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Post by Zombie Mod on Jul 29, 2021 12:55:04 GMT -5
chibnall leaving will be good for the show, shame Jodie is going as I'd like to see her doctor with better stories. hoping the new show runner undoes the galifrey is dead again and the doctor being the timeless child decisions from this most recent series. I'm ok with them just ignoring them. Ok, Timeless Child, there are previous incarnations running around, cool, literally no need to mention that again, time and space are big so they never have to run into these unknown characters. Gallifrey dead... well it was dead for ages, came back, dead again, unless there's a particularly great story, no reason to head back there, just have allusions when the Master shows up and The Doctor explains how dangerous they are to new characters.. bringing back Gallifrey was a good idea, but pretty much unused and could have been used for more stories/characters (could have had timelords being sent out into time to procure resources to rebuild Gallifrey or scouting newer safer locations to hide the planet bumping into the doctor but it was yeah we're back, 12's kicking Rasilon off the planet in an attempt to save Clara and then oops all dead again.) it was set up for more and then "nah I dont want it", we already knew the Master/Missy was evil we didnt need the timelord genocide to further drive that point home. sadly they cant ignore the timeless child being the doctor if they dont retcon it to not being true, it's the big arc Chibnall planned to be his signature on the lore for the show and alters not just the history of the show (the 11 needing a new regeneration cycle on trenzalor for example which now was un-needed.) but the character of the doctor, unlimited regenerations removes the threat of the doctor only having so many regenerations before perma-death as theres nothing now to prevent someone turning the Doctor Who Comic Relief special The Curse of Fatal Death. multi doctor regeneration joke into actual cannon for the show in an episode or two because there isnt a limit on them with the doctor being the timeless child. Chibnall's time as show runner has felt like really bad fan fiction without the superpowered self insert character that usually happens with fan fiction, previous show runners had the doctor character show remorse over people they couldn't save, Chibnall's doctor has just shrugged shoulders and gone back to the tardis and off for the next trip.
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Post by Mr PONYMANIA Mr Jenzie on Jul 29, 2021 13:22:51 GMT -5
jodie doesn't deserve to go this quickly, she was REALLY good in the role, and with some terrific episodes behind her, she can be proud of her role in the whoverse ... although a slight deus ex to return to "normal time lord operations" might be at hand ...
and who says ALL of gallifrey has to returns ...
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Post by thechase on Jul 29, 2021 13:57:57 GMT -5
with some terrific episodes behind her Name them.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jul 29, 2021 14:34:40 GMT -5
I'm ok with them just ignoring them. Ok, Timeless Child, there are previous incarnations running around, cool, literally no need to mention that again, time and space are big so they never have to run into these unknown characters. Gallifrey dead... well it was dead for ages, came back, dead again, unless there's a particularly great story, no reason to head back there, just have allusions when the Master shows up and The Doctor explains how dangerous they are to new characters.. bringing back Gallifrey was a good idea, but pretty much unused and could have been used for more stories/characters (could have had timelords being sent out into time to procure resources to rebuild Gallifrey or scouting newer safer locations to hide the planet bumping into the doctor but it was yeah we're back, 12's kicking Rasilon off the planet in an attempt to save Clara and then oops all dead again.) it was set up for more and then "nah I dont want it", we already knew the Master/Missy was evil we didnt need the timelord genocide to further drive that point home. sadly they cant ignore the timeless child being the doctor if they dont retcon it to not being true, it's the big arc Chibnall planned to be his signature on the lore for the show and alters not just the history of the show (the 11 needing a new regeneration cycle on trenzalor for example which now was un-needed.) but the character of the doctor, unlimited regenerations removes the threat of the doctor only having so many regenerations before perma-death as theres nothing now to prevent someone turning the Doctor Who Comic Relief special The Curse of Fatal Death. multi doctor regeneration joke into actual cannon for the show in an episode or two because there isnt a limit on them with the doctor being the timeless child. Chibnall's time as show runner has felt like really bad fan fiction without the superpowered self insert character that usually happens with fan fiction, previous show runners had the doctor character show remorse over people they couldn't save, Chibnall's doctor has just shrugged shoulders and gone back to the tardis and off for the next trip. Getting new regenerations without specifying the number already got rid of running out of regenerations, or they can do "oh no, something is going to interrupt the regeneration" which they've done with both The Master and The Doctor before. Or an alien that does something weird that sucks the energy out so no, now there is a limit. Don't need to revisit it, just move forward and make something else happen. Going back specifically to fix this will just bring it up again, remind people and end up being another continuity nightmare on top of what there is. Just never have The Doctor meet another weird one and then we can all quietly move on. Anything Chibnall was going to do, big deal, throw it on the pile of other stories that were left without follow up along with the Cartmell Masterplan, the Valeyard coming between the 12th and 13th incarnations etc. Things that should have massive effects on continuity, but just don't mention them, timey-wimey, we're all good.
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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Jul 29, 2021 14:48:05 GMT -5
with some terrific episodes behind her Name them. The Haunting of Villa Diodati and Demons of the Punjab are 13's best episodes. I also liked Resolution and Revolution of the Daleks because they made the Daleks scary again,. For sheer weirdness, maybe It Takes You Away.
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Post by BorneAgain on Jul 29, 2021 17:22:16 GMT -5
I really hope Whittaker has a Big Finish run that can do for her what it did for Colin Baker.
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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Jul 30, 2021 1:56:31 GMT -5
A random list of my picks for 14:
Anjli Mohindra Matthew Lewis Ruth Negga Jodie Comer Dan Stevens Gugu Mbatha-Raw Daisy Ridley Jessica Henwick Ioan Gruffudd Katie McGrath John Boyega
A smaller, random list of my picks for the next showrunner:
Armando Ianucci Phoebe Waller-Bridge Maxine Alderton Toby Whithouse
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Post by Flo360 on Jul 30, 2021 2:33:01 GMT -5
with some terrific episodes behind her Name them. Man, I was wondering when you where gonna show up to grift here. Rosa, It takes you away, Demons of Punjab, Revolution of the Daleks and I personally loved Nicola Tesla's Night of Terror. A random list of my picks for 14: Daisy Ridley John Boyega Phoebe Waller-Bridge Dude, could imagine the amount of f***ing Nerdtears? XD
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jul 30, 2021 2:47:37 GMT -5
bringing back Gallifrey was a good idea, but pretty much unused and could have been used for more stories/characters (could have had timelords being sent out into time to procure resources to rebuild Gallifrey or scouting newer safer locations to hide the planet bumping into the doctor but it was yeah we're back, 12's kicking Rasilon off the planet in an attempt to save Clara and then oops all dead again.) it was set up for more and then "nah I dont want it", we already knew the Master/Missy was evil we didnt need the timelord genocide to further drive that point home. sadly they cant ignore the timeless child being the doctor if they dont retcon it to not being true, it's the big arc Chibnall planned to be his signature on the lore for the show and alters not just the history of the show (the 11 needing a new regeneration cycle on trenzalor for example which now was un-needed.) but the character of the doctor, unlimited regenerations removes the threat of the doctor only having so many regenerations before perma-death as theres nothing now to prevent someone turning the Doctor Who Comic Relief special The Curse of Fatal Death. multi doctor regeneration joke into actual cannon for the show in an episode or two because there isnt a limit on them with the doctor being the timeless child. Chibnall's time as show runner has felt like really bad fan fiction without the superpowered self insert character that usually happens with fan fiction, previous show runners had the doctor character show remorse over people they couldn't save, Chibnall's doctor has just shrugged shoulders and gone back to the tardis and off for the next trip. Getting new regenerations without specifying the number already got rid of running out of regenerations, or they can do "oh no, something is going to interrupt the regeneration" which they've done with both The Master and The Doctor before. Or an alien that does something weird that sucks the energy out so no, now there is a limit. Don't need to revisit it, just move forward and make something else happen. Going back specifically to fix this will just bring it up again, remind people and end up being another continuity nightmare on top of what there is. Just never have The Doctor meet another weird one and then we can all quietly move on. Anything Chibnall was going to do, big deal, throw it on the pile of other stories that were left without follow up along with the Cartmell Masterplan, the Valeyard coming between the 12th and 13th incarnations etc. Things that should have massive effects on continuity, but just don't mention them, timey-wimey, we're all good. I mean one of the big points of Doctor Who's canon is pretty much "Screw it there is no canon"... and the next writer can go off an do whatever it is that will ruin Doctor Who forever! I like Jodi... and think she had some good episodes... but like Capaldi she was let down a lot by the writing around her.
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