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Post by eJm on Nov 24, 2020 7:04:59 GMT -5
He did, though. He approached management a few times with his ideas and also told them about how popular his TikToks were and they ignored him. When you've asked management and gotten a de facto "no", don't do that thing.Again, he got ignored. There were opportunities for someone to be like “Yeah, we heard about this thing going on and we’d rather you not do it” and they’re a big enough company to do that so I don’t see why it didn’t happen. Send a message to a manager or something if you’re not willing to do it, that’s what they’re there for. Like, maybe it’s because I’ve worked in enough places where guidelines are told to you and you can go to management for anything without being ignored for weeks on end but none of this seems that hard to have sorted out without firing a guy.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2020 7:08:35 GMT -5
So you know for a fact that the person responsible for firing him was from the baby boomer generation? And that it was because they don't like the Internet? It's cool that we have a source so close to the story to give us all the insider information.
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Post by eJm on Nov 24, 2020 7:12:15 GMT -5
So you know for a fact that the person responsible for firing him was from the baby boomer generation? And that it was because they don't like the Internet? It's cool that we have a source so close to the story to give us all the insider information. I mean, looking at their Board of Directors...they all are basically majority old white dudes, so it’s not that much of a reach.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Nov 24, 2020 8:55:10 GMT -5
When you've asked management and gotten a de facto "no", don't do that thing. Again, he got ignored. There were opportunities for someone to be like “Yeah, we heard about this thing going on and we’d rather you not do it” and they’re a big enough company to do that so I don’t see why it didn’t happen. Send a message to a manager or something if you’re not willing to do it, that’s what they’re there for. Like, maybe it’s because I’ve worked in enough places where guidelines are told to you and you can go to management for anything without being ignored for weeks on end but none of this seems that hard to have sorted out without firing a guy. He did not get an explicit "yes". When he decided to carry on anyways he essentially decided he would rather ask for forgiveness than continue to ask for permission, and that obviously didn't work out for him. As many people here have noted, it's really common for workplaces to have rules against filming in the facility, and dude was posting videos on company time. You seem really determined to make this out to be a case of old, out of touch people unjustly firing a guy for getting with the times, and that is simply not the case.
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Post by eJm on Nov 24, 2020 9:10:42 GMT -5
You seem really determined to make this out to be a case of old, out of touch people unjustly firing a guy for getting with the times, and that is simply not the case. No, I'm making this into a story of "Your employee is asking you something, the very least you can do is tell him not to do it". Like, I'm sorry, one of the biggest problems of capitalism and even globalization, in general, is these big companies not even willing to listen to when their employees are asking a question and treat them like they don't mean anything. Joe Public can get a word in because hey, they want them to buy something but when your employee is asking you a question and trying to get some kind of interaction, the very least you can do is send a message saying "Well, if you read this part of the contract, it says to not do it" instead of ignoring him, firing him and having stories make out you're old fashioned. Even with the press asking them what happened, there's no harm in saying "Well, he broke this rule here that says we don't allow filming in certain places" instead of saying "Someone complained and he broke guidelines" which means jack when you're doing a story and trying to get both sides. All of this was really easily solved.
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Post by castletonsnob on Nov 24, 2020 9:14:54 GMT -5
Maybe he was breaking a rule, but he was essentially giving the company free advertising.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Nov 24, 2020 9:21:14 GMT -5
You seem really determined to make this out to be a case of old, out of touch people unjustly firing a guy for getting with the times, and that is simply not the case. No, I'm making this into a story of "Your employee is asking you something, the very least you can do is tell him not to do it". So you're putting the onus on the employer to tell him he can't do something rather than on the employee to obtain permission. Sorry, but it doesn't work like that.
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Post by eJm on Nov 24, 2020 9:24:57 GMT -5
No, I'm making this into a story of "Your employee is asking you something, the very least you can do is tell him not to do it". So you're putting the onus on the employer to tell him he can't do something rather than on the employee to obtain permission. Sorry, but it doesn't work like that. But he did. He said so in the article. They didn't respond to him. He still did it and yeah, he got fired but it wasn't like he didn't do anything and thought he could get away with it. And the fact it doesn't work that way is like I said, one of the problems with the system we have now.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Nov 24, 2020 9:27:04 GMT -5
He tried cold contacting the Vice President of Marketing of a multi billion dollar company and pitching them on his advertising idea. Nothing I’ve read makes it seem like he pitched this to a local manager and tried to make a plan to send it up the ladder, he just immediately tried to contact one of the top people in the company and was surprised when they didn’t respond to him.
That’s like if the McDonald’s Drive Thru rap kids tried calling the head of McDonald’s to pitch them on their great idea to phase out Ronald McDonald, of course it’s not gonna go anywhere.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2020 9:27:09 GMT -5
So you know for a fact that the person responsible for firing him was from the baby boomer generation? And that it was because they don't like the Internet? It's cool that we have a source so close to the story to give us all the insider information. I mean, looking at their Board of Directors...they all are basically majority old white dudes, so it’s not that much of a reach. Do we know for a fact that he was directly fired by a member of the Board of Directors? For all we know he was fired by his 30 year old hipster direct supervisor. And I don't get this thing about baby boomers not "getting" the Internet. Retired baby boomers seem to spend more time online than young people, at least if the baby boomers I know are any indication. In fact, my baby boomer father was working with computers for the US military long before they were a household item. He now has an occasional YouTube show where he teaches single men who don't know how to cook to make simple yet tasty stuff. Also, my baby boomer mother is addicted to online shopping and has the highest score in both Fishdom and Candy Crush than anyone I know, She also has an Instagram page with a ton of followers. But yeah, those stupid baby boomers and their out of touch Internet hatred... I also want to point out that this hatred of baby boomers by young people is exactly how baby boomers felt when they were hippies at your age. They thought old people were out of touch and had nothing to offer the world. They thought old people blamed them for societies problems. So you young people are ironically just like baby boomers. And you guys should appreciate that since young people today like irony so much.
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Post by Push R Truth on Nov 24, 2020 9:28:22 GMT -5
The most shocking part of this story is the amount of people that don't understand why this happened.
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Post by salz4life on Nov 24, 2020 9:56:09 GMT -5
So you're putting the onus on the employer to tell him he can't do something rather than on the employee to obtain permission. Sorry, but it doesn't work like that. But he did. He said so in the article. They didn't respond to him. He still did it and yeah, he got fired but it wasn't like he didn't do anything and thought he could get away with it. And the fact it doesn't work that way is like I said, one of the problems with the system we have now. Not getting a concrete "Yes" from your employer means NO! Whether they are ignoring him or not, he didn't have permission. It's sucks he lost his job, but it happens.
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Post by eJm on Nov 24, 2020 10:12:47 GMT -5
Maybe it’s just an American thing, then because in my job at least, we have regular meetings where you can talk to a supervisor of some kind and HR you can easily email and access and ask about anything you might be concerned about and you might not get an answer right away but you likely get one.
I also haven’t worked anywhere where they don’t at least send you something saying “We’ll talk about this later” and get back to you on a later date.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Nov 24, 2020 10:24:17 GMT -5
Maybe it’s just an American thing, then because in my job at least, we have regular meetings where you can talk to a supervisor of some kind and HR you can easily email and access and ask about anything you might be concerned about and you might not get an answer right away but you likely get one. I also haven’t worked anywhere where they don’t at least send you something saying “We’ll talk about this later” and get back to you on a later date. It's not an American thing. I'm Canadian and the rules and expectations are the same here. If you don't have your supervisors permission then you don't have permission. Plain and simple. Also he was filming in his work space which is a massive no-no whether you work in a factory, a Bennigan's, a Shoppers Drugmart or for the federal government (and as a government employee I would not only be fired buy facing potential jail time for violating confidentiality, but that's another story).
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Post by eJm on Nov 24, 2020 10:32:38 GMT -5
Maybe it’s just an American thing, then because in my job at least, we have regular meetings where you can talk to a supervisor of some kind and HR you can easily email and access and ask about anything you might be concerned about and you might not get an answer right away but you likely get one. I also haven’t worked anywhere where they don’t at least send you something saying “We’ll talk about this later” and get back to you on a later date. It's not an American thing. I'm Canadian and the rules and expectations are the same here. If you don't have your supervisors permission then you don't have permission. Plain and simple. Also he was filming in his work space which is a massive no-no whether you work in a factory, a Bennigan's, a Shoppers Drugmart or for the federal government (and as a government employee I would not only be fired buy facing potential jail time for violating confidentiality, but that's another story). Again, I get that part. My lack of understanding of seeing something happen and not doing something about it when it happens before it turns into a news story like this one. And “if the supervisor doesn’t say something, that means no” just feels like a giant cop-out for that where it passes the buck instead of doing your job.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Nov 24, 2020 10:40:46 GMT -5
It's not an American thing. I'm Canadian and the rules and expectations are the same here. If you don't have your supervisors permission then you don't have permission. Plain and simple. Also he was filming in his work space which is a massive no-no whether you work in a factory, a Bennigan's, a Shoppers Drugmart or for the federal government (and as a government employee I would not only be fired buy facing potential jail time for violating confidentiality, but that's another story). Again, I get that part. My lack of understanding of seeing something happen and not doing something about it when it happens before it turns into a news story like this one. And “if the supervisor doesn’t say something, that means no” just feels like a giant cop-out for that where it passes the buck instead of doing your job. Not really. It's on you to get permission. If your supervisor doesn't get back to you right away it's also on you to get back to them before assuming you just can. That's how asking permission works in anything. It's like... If I'm a kid and I ask my mom "can I do This?" And they say "I'll have to think about It first" and then I go and do it anyway it shows a pretty big lack of respect on my part, especially if they were leaning towards "no" and I just never checked back with them.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Nov 24, 2020 10:40:49 GMT -5
I mean, looking at their Board of Directors...they all are basically majority old white dudes, so it’s not that much of a reach. Do we know for a fact that he was directly fired by a member of the Board of Directors? For all we know he was fired by his 30 year old hipster direct supervisor. And I don't get this thing about baby boomers not "getting" the Internet. Retired baby boomers seem to spend more time online than young people, at least if the baby boomers I know are any indication. In fact, my baby boomer father was working with computers for the US military long before they were a household item. He now has an occasional YouTube show where he teaches single men who don't know how to cook to make simple yet tasty stuff. Also, my baby boomer mother is addicted to online shopping and has the highest score in both Fishdom and Candy Crush than anyone I know, She also has an Instagram page with a ton of followers. But yeah, those stupid baby boomers and their out of touch Internet hatred... I also want to point out that this hatred of baby boomers by young people is exactly how baby boomers felt when they were hippies at your age. They thought old people were out of touch and had nothing to offer the world. They thought old people blamed them for societies problems. So you young people are ironically just like baby boomers. And you guys should appreciate that since young people today like irony so much. Exactly. Both my parents are mid 70s. So very much from the Baby Boomer generation.Dad has a weekly youtube series. Mom is online most days. Sure she is just checking her email and shopping. One thing I have noticed is somehow now boomer=anyone over 40. Nope sorry not even close. The youngest legit boomers are late 60s now.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Nov 24, 2020 10:44:15 GMT -5
Do we know for a fact that he was directly fired by a member of the Board of Directors? For all we know he was fired by his 30 year old hipster direct supervisor. And I don't get this thing about baby boomers not "getting" the Internet. Retired baby boomers seem to spend more time online than young people, at least if the baby boomers I know are any indication. In fact, my baby boomer father was working with computers for the US military long before they were a household item. He now has an occasional YouTube show where he teaches single men who don't know how to cook to make simple yet tasty stuff. Also, my baby boomer mother is addicted to online shopping and has the highest score in both Fishdom and Candy Crush than anyone I know, She also has an Instagram page with a ton of followers. But yeah, those stupid baby boomers and their out of touch Internet hatred... I also want to point out that this hatred of baby boomers by young people is exactly how baby boomers felt when they were hippies at your age. They thought old people were out of touch and had nothing to offer the world. They thought old people blamed them for societies problems. So you young people are ironically just like baby boomers. And you guys should appreciate that since young people today like irony so much. Exactly. Both my parents are mid 70s. So very much from the Baby Boomer generation.Dad has a weekly youtube series. Mom is online most days. Sure she is just checking her email and shopping. One thing I have noticed is somehow now boomer=anyone over 40. Nope sorry not even close. The youngest legit boomers are late 60s now. Pretty much. Basically the same thing as when people refer to teenagers and 20 year olds as millennials when the youngest millennials are now at the very youngest 28.
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Post by eJm on Nov 24, 2020 10:46:45 GMT -5
Again, I get that part. My lack of understanding of seeing something happen and not doing something about it when it happens before it turns into a news story like this one. And “if the supervisor doesn’t say something, that means no” just feels like a giant cop-out for that where it passes the buck instead of doing your job. Not really. It's on you to get permission. If your supervisor doesn't get back to you right away it's also on you to get back to them before assuming you just can. That's how asking permission works in anything. It's like... If I'm a kid and I ask my mom "can I do This?" And they say "I'll have to think about It first" and then I go and do it anyway it shows a pretty big lack of respect on my part, especially if they were leaning towards "no" and I just never checked back with them. Again, never said he wasn't wrong to do what he did but, like...just respond to him. If he's contacted you several times and you ignore him every time, that just feels like you're not really caring. Just tell him "Hey, you might be breaking this rule" and that just solves the issue. Like, an example I have is that I was told I was browsing some places too much during work hours even though nobody was giving me anything to do so I learned not to do that and tried other things (even though I still don't have much to do and that's on them to give me stuff but that's a completely different issue). That's better than just letting stuff happen and then not even saying to the press what happened afterwards, basically then mapping the story on his end rather than giving the company their proper view. Saying "He filmed in a work environment" wouldn't be an industry secret that Durex are going to steal from. Also, the boomer talk is dumb. I don't know where what I said implied that nobody aged above the age of 60 can use a computer. Christ.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Nov 24, 2020 10:51:10 GMT -5
Not really. It's on you to get permission. If your supervisor doesn't get back to you right away it's also on you to get back to them before assuming you just can. That's how asking permission works in anything. It's like... If I'm a kid and I ask my mom "can I do This?" And they say "I'll have to think about It first" and then I go and do it anyway it shows a pretty big lack of respect on my part, especially if they were leaning towards "no" and I just never checked back with them. Again, never said he wasn't wrong to do what he did but, like...just respond to him. If he's contacted you several times and you ignore him every time, that just feels like you're not really caring. Just tell him "Hey, you might be breaking this rule" and that just solves the issue. Like, an example I have is that I was told I was browsing some places too much during work hours even though nobody was giving me anything to do so I learned not to do that and tried other things (even though I still don't have much to do and that's on them to give me stuff but that's a completely different issue). That's better than just letting stuff happen and then not even saying to the press what happened afterwards, basically then mapping the story on his end rather than giving the company their proper view. Saying "He filmed in a work environment" wouldn't be an industry secret that Durex are going to steal from. Also, the boomer talk is dumb. I don't know where what I said implied that nobody aged above the age of 60 can use a computer. Christ. If they haven't given you an answer then you should assume the answer is "No" until further notice.
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