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Post by Fake Jesus on Dec 3, 2020 17:29:19 GMT -5
Inspired by the PWG discussion in the Kenny Omega thread:
For a belt to be considered a "world" title to me, it needs to have a combination of globalisation, scale, and prestige. By that metric I count the IWGP, AEW, WWE, and NXT titles as world championships. The Mexican belts aren't even taken seriously by Mexican promotions, PWG's an indie, the Impact, ROH, and NWA titles were once "world" status but have regressed, ditto for some of the Japanese legacy belts, and while WWE definitely promotes it as a top-level belt, the Universal Championship is about as prestigious as the belt around my jeans, it will probably get there within the next few years, but as it stands the current RR reign is the only one that's been well received.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2020 17:32:54 GMT -5
It's not real, so it doesn't bother me either way.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Dec 3, 2020 17:59:11 GMT -5
Inspired by the PWG discussion in the Kenny Omega thread: For a belt to be considered a "world" title to me, it needs to have a combination of globalisation, scale, and prestige. By that metric I count the IWGP, AEW, WWE, and NXT titles as world championships. The Mexican belts aren't even taken seriously by Mexican promotions, PWG's an indie, the Impact, ROH, and NWA titles were once "world" status but have regressed, ditto for some of the Japanese legacy belts, and while WWE definitely promotes it as a top-level belt, the Universal Championship is about as prestigious as the belt around my jeans, it will probably get there within the next few years, but as it stands the current RR reign is the only one that's been well received. The Universe is bigger than the world. Reigns is champion of the entire universe. Until someone becomes the Multi-Verse Champion, they’re all inferior to him.
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Post by romanstylesiii on Dec 3, 2020 18:14:06 GMT -5
Every 3rd Indy company has a world title.
In an old school context, it means you are the top drawing person and the main person the company intends to market around. I'd guess the NXT champ is making nowhere near what Rollins, Becky, and Reigns make, so it work be hard to call them a "world champ".
It's really less about the belt and more about the spot. That last match is typically the one that gets the highest percentage of the gate. JR said on his podcast the main eventers typically got 3% of the gate (it was 5% for Hogan and Austin)
That main event spot is also subjective to each territory. WWE was a baby face territory, so from the Hogan era until the end of the Austin era, the champion happened to be a face like 80% of the total time.
Compared to the NWA/WCW, which was largely a heel territory. So their top guys were Hollywood Hogan and Flair.
A world title can give you equity and help propel you to the top spot, but really, it's more about who is in the main event and not who has the world title.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 3, 2020 18:15:44 GMT -5
The cardboard title I made when I was like 5 is only world title I recognize.
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Post by BorneAgain on Dec 3, 2020 18:20:08 GMT -5
The last legit world title was the TNA World Beer Drinking Championship.
Everything else have been second rate knock offs.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2020 18:24:49 GMT -5
The cardboard title I made when I was like 5 is only world title I recognize. I will fight you for that hunk of cardboard. Space, time, multiverse, I don't care. Bring your A game.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Dec 3, 2020 18:34:58 GMT -5
I'm going to be straight up with you about this
I have absolutely no f***ing clue
But what I will tell you is that line exists *somewhere* in my mind and I couldn't tell you where but, there are several belts that fall in and out of 'counting' like the ECW one both in original run and WWE form, or the ROH and Impact straps.
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Post by cassonova on Dec 3, 2020 21:25:45 GMT -5
My extremely official criteria is that the title had to be defended on foreign soil. Doesn't matter the size or prestige of the company, has it been defended "across" the world.
That's why my title is for #1 guy...I don't want to travel that much.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Dec 3, 2020 22:56:04 GMT -5
What I don't like is tiny indie feds that run 2 or 3 towns having a World title. Screw that call it something else. Cause when you are just running Brookhaven,Sontag,Monticello and Magee MS your big belt ain't a World title. Plus it was just a TNA World title replica with tape over the TNA name.
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Post by timelimitdraw on Dec 3, 2020 22:58:36 GMT -5
Major League Baseball has a "World Series" that doesn't involve teams outside the US and Canada, so I'm not concerned about whether a promotion has had a title defended outside its home country/countries. It's about the prestige of the company.
Right now, I'd consider WWE, AEW, and NJPW on top of the mountain as promotions definitely worthy of World title status on any list. (And if you disagree, that's okay.)
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Post by badkarma on Dec 3, 2020 23:01:06 GMT -5
Inspired by the PWG discussion in the Kenny Omega thread: For a belt to be considered a "world" title to me, it needs to have a combination of globalisation, scale, and prestige. By that metric I count the IWGP, AEW, WWE, and NXT titles as world championships. The Mexican belts aren't even taken seriously by Mexican promotions, PWG's an indie, the Impact, ROH, and NWA titles were once "world" status but have regressed, ditto for some of the Japanese legacy belts, and while WWE definitely promotes it as a top-level belt, the Universal Championship is about as prestigious as the belt around my jeans, it will probably get there within the next few years, but as it stands the current RR reign is the only one that's been well received. The Universe is bigger than the world. Reigns is champion of the entire universe. Until someone becomes the Multi-Verse Champion, they’re all inferior to him. Exactly. I believe Vince stole this booking strategy from the song "Particle Man" by They Might Be Giants. Which, if you think about it, and Roman is "Universe Man", that makes Brock "Triangle Man". Wait, Brock Lesnar was "Triangle Man" this whole time, who knew?!
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Post by 67 more on Dec 4, 2020 3:41:33 GMT -5
IMO, when you achieve world title status, you can't lose it. Also depends on how high up you are. These are what I consider to be world titles.
WWE/WHC/Universal Not sure about NXT AEW WCW ECW (including the relaunch, Chavo and Zeke included for shits and giggles) NWA AWA TNA/Impact ROH CMLL AAA IWGP AJPW GHC
You, of course, have all the really old promotions as well like WWA and WCW Australia, but they come up so little I'm not going to include them here.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 4, 2020 3:46:32 GMT -5
IMO, when you achieve world title status, you can't lose it. Also depends on how high up you are. These are what I consider to be world titles. WWE/WHC/Universal Not sure about NXT AEW WCW ECW (including the relaunch, Chavo and Zeke included for shits and giggles) NWA AWA TNA/Impact ROH CMLL AAA IWGP AJPW GHC You, of course, have all the really old promotions as well like WWA and WCW Australia, but they come up so little I'm not going to include them here. Honestly, I'd count the NXT one, myself, but otherwise largely agree with this.
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Post by malloc on Dec 4, 2020 6:47:12 GMT -5
It's not real, so it doesn't bother me either way. Ha yes, I have been kind of slipping into this in the last few years, especially when I see lists on you tube talking about a wrestlers accomplishments like a real sport. I love wrestling I could never put myself through what they do and you have to bust your arse to be considered for a title but you don't "win" a title the same way you win a gold in other sports, especially when you run the stupid company (Jeff Jarret) and can award yourself the title!. Its part of the magic that makes pro wrestling work, and you could think of it like a different kind of accomplishments thats show you are top of your field in entertainment like getting to perform in the best play in the west end and winning an Olivier because you did the best Hamlet at the globe over and over again or wining best sales person every month because you are the one bringing money in to a firm. But its a bit silly when you are explaining the Montreal screwjob to somebody that isn't a fan and they laugh over how butt hurt Bret was over giving up a fake title in a play fight we all know it affects his drawing power and is down to undermine but all they can see is a fake title on a TV show. Vince would make other world champions his mid card - Mr Perfect, Rick Martel, Jerry Lawler, Ricky Steamboat, Kerry Von Erich..your world champ is my comedy act or curtain jerker therefore my champion and company have more prestige. "You may have played Henry V in your high school play but in this production you're a Welsh bowman go stand in the background". I guess it comes down to how much you want to "believe" and what you consider to be the best company rather than it having to do with it being a sport.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Dec 4, 2020 7:25:07 GMT -5
Bret Hart considered himself a "Real World Champion" as he defended the title in Europe, India, and the US/Canada.
That's actually good baseline.
Is the World Title able to be defended around the globe?
If so, yes it's a World Championship.
If it's an Indy Fed that only runs shows out of it's homebase, the top championship for it is really a regional championship.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Dec 4, 2020 7:31:28 GMT -5
The WWE, Universal, Raw Women’s, Smackdown Women’s, IWGP Heavyweight, AEW World, Impact Heavyweight, the AJPW Triple Crown, ROH World and GHC Heavyweight all count to me.
I rank the WWE Women’s belts above the NWA Women’s just based on public visibility.
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Post by Viking Hall on Dec 4, 2020 7:52:01 GMT -5
Alternative question; what do you call your top title if 'World' isn't an acceptable term?
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Post by malloc on Dec 4, 2020 8:51:03 GMT -5
Could be a world title if people from around the world compete for it.
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Post by 67 more on Dec 4, 2020 10:14:12 GMT -5
Alternative question; what do you call your top title if 'World' isn't an acceptable term? Honestly, just heavyweight will do the job. Or just refer to as [insert fed name] Championship. Clear what's meant without sounding ridiculous by calling it the world title
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