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Post by Cyno on Dec 4, 2020 10:29:05 GMT -5
For current championships:
WWE Championship WWE Universal Championship NXT Championship AEW World Championship Impact World Championship ROH World Championship NWA World Heavyweight Championship IWGP Heavyweight Championship AJPW Triple Crown GHC Heavyweight Championship AAA Mega Championship CMLL World Heavyweight Championship DDT KO-D Openweight Championship
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Dec 4, 2020 11:56:43 GMT -5
What I don't like is tiny indie feds that run 2 or 3 towns having a World title. Screw that call it something else. Cause when you are just running Brookhaven,Sontag,Monticello and Magee MS your big belt ain't a World title. Plus it was just a TNA World title replica with tape over the TNA name. This reminds me, I went back and watched the whole of defunct British wrestling TV series UWA Wrestling Rampage on YouTube in the summer (I don't recommend doing this) and at one point they introduced their "World title", which I noticed actually said "American Wrestling Federation World Tag Team Championship" on it. They didn't even bother to put bits of tape over that, and still showed close-ups of the belt. Amateur hour.
I'm assuming this was the short-lived American Wrestling Federation from the early/mid nineties. I spent quite a long time wondering how they even got hold of it.
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Post by CeilingFan on Dec 4, 2020 12:06:07 GMT -5
WWE Heavyweight WWE Universal AEW Impact ROH
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Dec 4, 2020 12:52:45 GMT -5
What I don't like is tiny indie feds that run 2 or 3 towns having a World title. Screw that call it something else. Cause when you are just running Brookhaven,Sontag,Monticello and Magee MS your big belt ain't a World title. Plus it was just a TNA World title replica with tape over the TNA name. This reminds me, I went back and watched the whole of defunct British wrestling TV series UWA Wrestling Rampage on YouTube in the summer (I don't recommend doing this) and at one point they introduced their "World title", which I noticed actually said "American Wrestling Federation World Tag Team Championship" on it. They didn't even bother to put bits of tape over that, and still showed close-ups of the belt. Amateur hour. I'm assuming this was the short-lived American Wrestling Federation from the early/mid nineties. I spent quite a long time wondering how they even got hold of it.
Odds are when AWF folded they sold off the belts to make money. Like how Battlezone wrestling MS,their big title is the Captiol City Championship. What happened was for years BZ was NWA battlezone so their big belt was the NWA Mississippi State title. When the NWA kicked them out they needed another big belt. Someone in the fed had bought the belts from Capitol City Combat when it folded back in the early 2000s. So they just repurposed the belt.
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Dec 4, 2020 13:29:36 GMT -5
Odds are when AWF folded they sold off the belts to make money. Like how Battlezone wrestling MS,their big title is the Captiol City Championship. What happened was for years BZ was NWA battlezone so their big belt was the NWA Mississippi State title. When the NWA kicked them out they needed another big belt. Someone in the fed had bought the belts from Capitol City Combat when it folded back in the early 2000s. So they just repurposed the belt. Yeah, I guessed it had probably been picked up on the cheap somewhere, but there's a couple of years between the AWF folding and the UWA starting, and on the other side of the world. The people who did the UWA weren't involved with wrestling before (I think one was a TV producer for the WWF briefly), I wonder if it passed through a few hands and/or was sold on eBay or something.
The funny thing is the UWA Tag Team titles didn't have proper belts, so they had a belt that said "Tag Team Championship" on it, and didn't use it for the tag team titles.
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Post by timelimitdraw on Dec 4, 2020 14:02:48 GMT -5
Alternative question; what do you call your top title if 'World' isn't an acceptable term? Honestly, just heavyweight will do the job. Or just refer to as [insert fed name] Championship. Clear what's meant without sounding ridiculous by calling it the world title When Vince McMahon Sr. rejoined the NWA in 1971, they couldn't call their title as World title anymore, so they simply called it the World Wide Wrestling Federation heavyweight championship. To most fans, it was still considered a World title. Vince Jr. used the company name for it past the mid-80s because he came into the business when that happened, so to him, calling it the WWF championship was the same thing as a World championship and better for branding. If a promotion has no aspirations of growing much, either use a company name or - if you have to make it seem bigger - a national/regional name. I can buy XYZ Wrestling having a United States champion or a XYZ Wrestling champion more than it having a World champion.
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Post by toodarkmark on Dec 4, 2020 14:05:43 GMT -5
I think it's changed over the years. Used to be what was a major territory and drew a lot. WWWF, AWA and NWA.
Then when territories were killed off, it was became who was successful enough through TV, drawing and fanbase. WWF, WCW, ECW, New Japan, All Japan, CMLL. Then into the 00's, TNA made the NWA world belt relevant again, and ROH had a large reach.
Now I would say it's if you have a national TV deal. WWE, AEW, Impact, ROH, New Japan, and not sure about All Japan, AAA, Stardom. I don't consider NXT a world title, it is below the WWE and Universal titles, it is more of a IC belt.
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Post by MrElijah on Dec 4, 2020 16:07:05 GMT -5
Personally as of now? IWGP Heavyweight Championship AEW World Championship ROH World Championship WWF/E World Heavyweight Championship WWE Universal Championship TNA/Impact World Heavyweight Championship AAA Mega Championship PWG World Championship CMLL World Heavyweight Championship
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Post by "Sweet & Sour" ImSoFudginGreat on Dec 5, 2020 0:35:17 GMT -5
Think everyone has summed up what I would say makes a world title. I will say though that I liked how ROH made a big deal that the ROH title was now a world title after Samoa Joe defended in London against Zebra Kid.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Dec 5, 2020 1:16:12 GMT -5
A championship that is defended around the world, in multiple countries/continents (more than just 2 or 3). The end. They may not be as visible as they once were, but to say titles like the NWA World Title and the ROH World Title aren't world titles, to me, is ridiculous. They can be lower on a ranking of "current prestige compared to other titles" but the NWA World Title is still the NWA World Title. The AEW World Title hasn't even made it outside of the United States yet. NWA, ROH, and Impact have more claim for their titles being "World" titles at this point than AEW does. Their titles have history behind them, and they have been defended all over the world for years/decades. AEW has more visibility, has money behind it, but it's still such a new company that their title has barely been defended in multiple states so far, let alone countries (I just checked... four states). I don't take issue with them calling it their "World Title" because I'm sure the eventual plan is for it to be defended around the world, but it's not there yet. I’m curious if you would consider the AEW Tag Team titles to be recognized as a “World Tag Team Title” because it is the one championship in AEW to have been defended (and changed hands) outside of the US.
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Post by chazraps on Dec 5, 2020 1:44:46 GMT -5
The real world championship is all the friends we made along the way.
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Post by chazraps on Dec 5, 2020 1:47:43 GMT -5
Seriously though, for me the title has to:
1) have been defended on foreign soil 2) have had a defense televised in a foreign market (or the champ compete in a high profile non-title match where a title shot is on the table) 3) have had a foreign challenger compete for it in the promotion's home country
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2020 23:07:05 GMT -5
If Kenny Omega considers it a world title it’s a world title.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 8, 2020 23:14:34 GMT -5
If Kenny Omega considers it a world title it’s a world title. And that's bad news for you
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Dec 9, 2020 0:53:23 GMT -5
Prestige. Like pornography I knows it when I see it
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Post by THE FVNKER on Dec 11, 2020 2:03:35 GMT -5
I've always considered a "World" title to be one that was so important or prestigious that there was demand all over the world to either watch the champion defend it, or someone else challenge for it. Not necessarily meaning that they have to travel the globe literally, but that there is worldwide interest in the matches for the belt. I suppose I would consider the NWA title as the last World championship then.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Dec 11, 2020 2:55:38 GMT -5
For me the factors are
1.The fed runs in more than one general area 2.The belt has been around at least 5 years total 3.The fed has ppvs 4.The fed has a tv show that is available nationwide.
So using all the above,WWE ROH Impact and MLW in the States all have a world title. AEW has a few more years to go before their big title is a world title.
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Post by nobody on Dec 11, 2020 3:19:01 GMT -5
I’ve always believed a title goes from being a championship to a “world” championship once the belt has been defended outside of it’s home country.
Using AEW as an example, they’re one of the biggest promotions in the world. However they haven’t travelled outside the US (though I understand that’s kind of impossible now), and they were calling there main title a world championship from the company’s birth, when it really should’ve been the AEW Championship.
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Post by peter on Dec 12, 2020 12:06:57 GMT -5
When you give a title world status for being defended in multiple countries, you can then make a case for the IC, US and other secondary titles being world titles too.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Dec 12, 2020 21:17:40 GMT -5
To me, a "world" title is something you can call your championship if it's the top singles title in your promotion. It doesn't actually matter if its defended around the world, or if your promotion has prestige. Just like calling it a Heavyweight title even though not only heavyweights fight for it, even though Rey Mysterio can win it. I have no problem with a small indy calling their top (or only) singles title a "World [Heavyweight] Championship". To me that's just a way of saying "top singles title". Turns out as I research it most companies have actually dropped the "Heavyweight" from their championship names. - Apparently the WWE Championship is JUST the WWE Championship now? They've dropped both the World and the Heavyweight?
- Also the Universal Championship f***s me up because by its name it should be above the World championship. Very perturbing.
- AEW, Impact, ROH, PWG, GCW, Defy, and OVW, are examples of companies that just use "World".
- AAW is an example of an American company using just "Heavyweight" and no "World".
- Unsurprisingly, the NWA still uses "World Heavyweight".
- CZW and FIP still use "World Heavyweight" as well.
- AIW use "Absolute" and "Intense" and I'm not sure which one is actually the top title
- SHIMMER and SHINE use neither, just [Company] Championship. Apparently women don't get prestigious sounding words.
- Chikara called their singles title the "Grand Championship", which I like and have mentally adopted as an acceptable name for a top title.
- NJPW and NOAH use just "Heavyweight" and no "World".
- Dragon Gate just does entirely their own thing, with the "Open The Dream Gate Championship"
- AJPW has the "Triple Crown Championship" though notably they do have the "AJPW World Tag Team Championship" and "AJPW World Junior Heavyweight Championship", so there's one puro company that uses "World" in some context.
- Big Japan has two top titles essentially, but the Deathmatch title uses only "Heavyweight" while the Strong tile uses both "Heavyweight" and "World".
- DDT does the objectively right thing and uses "Openweight" for their top title, as does OZ Academy.
- Zero-1 actually uses "World Heavyweight", pretty sure the only decently puro promotion to do so
- Stardom uses "World" but in a unique way ("World of Stardom").
- TJPW also goes unique with "Princess Of Princess Championship".
- SEAdLINNNG continues uniqueness with "Beyond the Sea".
- Ice Ribbon has four uniquely named singles titles and I've got no clue which is the top one.
- Sendai girls breaks the joshi theme with a "World" Championship.
- RevPro uses "Undisputed" and "Heavyweight".
- PROGRESS uses "Unified World".
- But ICW goes for the traditional "World Heavyweight".
- CMLL uses "World" on basically all their titles lol, and goes the lucha direction of having different weight class titles for the men that I'm pretty sure are supposed to be equally presigious?" Even though one is called the "World Heavyweight" Championship, I think the "World Middleweight" championship and the other weight classes are just as important. Lucha experts can correct me if that's wrong.
- For AAA, I'm 90% sure the Mega Championship is their top title. Their Tag, Trios, and Cruserweight titles use "World" though. Also Was there a top championship in AAA before the Mega Championship was created? I know titles are less important than wager matches in lucha but I'm curious. I actually thought AAA had weight classes like CMLL, and the have the "Mexican Nationa' championships, but I don't think those are as prestigious.
So, all in all, any combination of "World", "Heavyweight", "Grand", "Undisputed", and "Unified" can be used to make your titles sound prestigious, even if none of them are technically true labels. Even "Universal" is acceptable to me now. In fantasy booking that I do, I renamed all my World Heavyweight championships World Openweight championships because I remember very early in my years of watching wrestling being incredibly confused as to why Rey Mysterio could compete for the World Heavyweight championship. But in a real world sense, "World Heavyweight" (or just "World") just means "top championship" to me.
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