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Post by romanstylesiii on Dec 14, 2020 16:53:46 GMT -5
But shouldn’t it be done with members of the lgbtq community so it doesn’t seemed forced, insincere, or as a parody? There seems to be a few under contract now. Hypothetically, yes, but if it was done tastefully with two straight folks I'd be OK with it too. I think treating it with respect is a start for them. I hope that somebody like Tegan or Jake Atlas is involved, though. The best person for the role is the one that makes you the most money. I'd choose sonya deville, not because she is already in that community, I would choose her because she showed how good of a character she can be
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 17:38:29 GMT -5
Not nearly as compelling as Lana being put through the announcers table.
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Post by Hypnosis on Dec 14, 2020 18:31:10 GMT -5
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Post by john84 on Dec 14, 2020 18:42:26 GMT -5
I'd be surprised if it was ever picked up again at some point tbh.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Dec 14, 2020 19:57:24 GMT -5
I would have been more comfortable with straight people playing a gay couple in years gone by, a la Billy and Chuck, just because most LGBTQ+ wrestlers were closeted (or treated like shit by WWE when they did come out, so having it be just an act was almost safer). But now, when there's so much representation and so many amazing people who deserve a spotlight, keeping up with this would be rather insulting. I definitely agree that people who are LGBTQ+ irl should be presented as such on screen. But as long as that is the case then I don't see the problem with also having straight wrestlers be in queer storylines because like, wrestling characters are primarily fictional characters to me, so I'd want to see queer stories told with those fictional characters as many times as I can get it. Besides, if we limit on screen queerness to wrestlers who are queer irl, then we limit how much representation we can get. So yeah, as a bi person, I wouldn't feel insulted by Lana and Liv being presented as not-straight on screen, as long as its tastefully done and not just an excuse to have hot girls make out (which I do fear it would be). You obviously have a right to feel differently, but that's my point of view.
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Post by FinalGwen on Dec 14, 2020 20:31:38 GMT -5
I would have been more comfortable with straight people playing a gay couple in years gone by, a la Billy and Chuck, just because most LGBTQ+ wrestlers were closeted (or treated like shit by WWE when they did come out, so having it be just an act was almost safer). But now, when there's so much representation and so many amazing people who deserve a spotlight, keeping up with this would be rather insulting. I definitely agree that people who are LGBTQ+ irl should be presented as such on screen. But as long as that is the case then I don't see the problem with also having straight wrestlers be in queer storylines because like, wrestling characters are primarily fictional characters to me, so I'd want to see queer stories told with those fictional characters as many times as I can get it. Besides, if we limit on screen queerness to wrestlers who are queer irl, then we limit how much representation we can get. So yeah, as a bi person, I wouldn't feel insulted by Lana and Liv being presented as not-straight on screen, as long as its tastefully done and not just an excuse to have hot girls make out (which I do fear it would be). You obviously have a right to feel differently, but that's my point of view. That's fair, I still feel iffy about it, much like say, James Corden getting a gay role in The Prom while gay theatre performers don't get the chance to appear on screen, or Eddie Redmayne and Jared Leto's drag acts getting critical acclaim while trans actresses struggle to be seen, but I can absolutely see that side of things as well, and there's the question of possibly making people possibly come out before they're ready, which admittedly I don't have a way around other than to celebrate those who are out and proud first.
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on Dec 14, 2020 20:44:08 GMT -5
Eh, this Nia story line is establishing the same point as the Liv one. Lana can take a lickin’. ....well..... ....I mean......
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Dec 14, 2020 20:49:12 GMT -5
I definitely agree that people who are LGBTQ+ irl should be presented as such on screen. But as long as that is the case then I don't see the problem with also having straight wrestlers be in queer storylines because like, wrestling characters are primarily fictional characters to me, so I'd want to see queer stories told with those fictional characters as many times as I can get it. Besides, if we limit on screen queerness to wrestlers who are queer irl, then we limit how much representation we can get. So yeah, as a bi person, I wouldn't feel insulted by Lana and Liv being presented as not-straight on screen, as long as its tastefully done and not just an excuse to have hot girls make out (which I do fear it would be). You obviously have a right to feel differently, but that's my point of view. That's fair, I still feel iffy about it, much like say, James Corden getting a gay role in The Prom while gay theatre performers don't get the chance to appear on screen, or Eddie Redmayne and Jared Leto's drag acts getting critical acclaim while trans actresses struggle to be seen, but I can absolutely see that side of things as well, and there's the question of possibly making people possibly come out before they're ready, which admittedly I don't have a way around other than to celebrate those who are out and proud first. Yeah, I get a lot of that, in particularly cis men playing trans women, but the difference when it comes to pro wrestling is that there really aren't as many out pro wrestlers as there are out actors. There aren't as many pro wrestlers as there are actors, period, actually. Plus I'd argue there's more of a gateway to entry skill wise in wrestling, because you have to be both athletic and at least decently charismatic, while actors only need to be charismatic. Also, I think its worth noting that Liv Morgan and Lana are already on screen characters. So them being confirmed on screen to be bi and having a queer storyline wouldn't be taking a role away from a queer wrestler. Just making a fictional character that already exists queer.
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Post by FinalGwen on Dec 14, 2020 20:54:08 GMT -5
That's fair, I still feel iffy about it, much like say, James Corden getting a gay role in The Prom while gay theatre performers don't get the chance to appear on screen, or Eddie Redmayne and Jared Leto's drag acts getting critical acclaim while trans actresses struggle to be seen, but I can absolutely see that side of things as well, and there's the question of possibly making people possibly come out before they're ready, which admittedly I don't have a way around other than to celebrate those who are out and proud first. Yeah, I get a lot of that, in particularly cis men playing trans women, but the difference when it comes to pro wrestling is that there really aren't as many out pro wrestlers as there are out actors. There aren't as many pro wrestlers as there are actors, period, actually. Plus I'd argue there's more of a gateway to entry skill wise in wrestling, because you have to be both athletic and at least decently charismatic, while actors only need to be charismatic. Also, I think its worth noting that Liv Morgan and Lana are already on screen characters. So them being confirmed on screen to be bi and having a queer storyline wouldn't be taking a role away from a queer wrestler. Just making a fictional character that already exists queer. Very true! It feels like the field's definitely wider now than it's ever been before, with full shows of LGBT+ talent going on, but it is still a limited pool.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 21:41:11 GMT -5
I would have been more comfortable with straight people playing a gay couple in years gone by, a la Billy and Chuck, just because most LGBTQ+ wrestlers were closeted (or treated like shit by WWE when they did come out, so having it be just an act was almost safer). But now, when there's so much representation and so many amazing people who deserve a spotlight, keeping up with this would be rather insulting. I never understood why this is seemingly a problem. The idea of acting is to pretend, right? So why should only gay people portray gay people? I'm an actor myself. And I wouldn't be against playing a gay character. Just like I wouldn't be against playing a murderer or someone with bipolar. I don't get this whole "They need to be REALLY gay in real life because its insulting otherwise" logic.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Dec 14, 2020 21:42:52 GMT -5
I would have been more comfortable with straight people playing a gay couple in years gone by, a la Billy and Chuck, just because most LGBTQ+ wrestlers were closeted (or treated like shit by WWE when they did come out, so having it be just an act was almost safer). But now, when there's so much representation and so many amazing people who deserve a spotlight, keeping up with this would be rather insulting. I never understood why this is seemingly a problem. The idea of acting is to pretend, right? So why should only gay people portray gay people? I'm an actor myself. And I wouldn't be against playing a gay character. Just like I wouldn't be against playing a murderer or someone with bipolar. I don't get this whole "They need to be REALLY gay in real life because its insulting otherwise" logic. Its about giving gay actors opportunities is why.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 23:21:53 GMT -5
I never understood why this is seemingly a problem. The idea of acting is to pretend, right? So why should only gay people portray gay people? I'm an actor myself. And I wouldn't be against playing a gay character. Just like I wouldn't be against playing a murderer or someone with bipolar. I don't get this whole "They need to be REALLY gay in real life because its insulting otherwise" logic. Its about giving gay actors opportunities is why. But gay people can and have played straight characters?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2020 0:33:53 GMT -5
I'm ashamed to admit it, but I felt bad for Lana tonight.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 15, 2020 13:46:18 GMT -5
Frankly, I don’t see a way that story could have went that wouldn’t have been appalling and rooted in queer-phobia. So, even if by some miracle she’s right, I’m good.
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Post by eJm on Dec 15, 2020 14:00:42 GMT -5
Its about giving gay actors opportunities is why. But gay people can and have played straight characters? Because there wasn’t, and still isn’t, exactly many roles for gay characters for those people to play unless it’s a specialized project.
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Post by Tyrannosaurus Sex on Dec 15, 2020 14:04:36 GMT -5
I would have been more comfortable with straight people playing a gay couple in years gone by, a la Billy and Chuck, just because most LGBTQ+ wrestlers were closeted (or treated like shit by WWE when they did come out, so having it be just an act was almost safer). But now, when there's so much representation and so many amazing people who deserve a spotlight, keeping up with this would be rather insulting. I never understood why this is seemingly a problem. The idea of acting is to pretend, right? So why should only gay people portray gay people? I'm an actor myself. And I wouldn't be against playing a gay character. Just like I wouldn't be against playing a murderer or someone with bipolar. I don't get this whole "They need to be REALLY gay in real life because its insulting otherwise" logic. It makes people that really are gay/bi/queer have someone to look up to and feel proud of who they are. If it's just an actor doing it when there's people actually like that, it's not the same because it's just someone pretending and that sense of relatability is gone. It's condescending, like not trusting actual people to do it so they'll let the 'normal people' handle it, and then people that can feel that someone like them can be confident in who they are and what they can do with themselves, nope. It's just a hetero person doing it. And then it continues because people just think "What difference does it make?" while the real people continue to have someone "do it for them".
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Dec 15, 2020 18:33:25 GMT -5
Its about giving gay actors opportunities is why. But gay people can and have played straight characters? White people have played black folks too. We don't do that any more either.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2020 18:39:28 GMT -5
So, for someone who doesn't pay close attention to WWE very much anymore, what was the storyline?
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Post by BatPunk on Dec 15, 2020 18:42:20 GMT -5
Lana: “Vince basically wants to see us two make out.”
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Post by eJm on Dec 15, 2020 18:43:41 GMT -5
So, for someone who doesn't pay close attention to WWE very much anymore, what was the storyline? Long story short, Lashley and Lana had a wedding where it was eventually implied Liv and Lana had a relationship. They had a tag match against her and Rusev and then it was never brought up ever again.
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