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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Dec 15, 2020 4:47:32 GMT -5
Shayna should've beat Becky for the title at Mania. I get they probably didn't know she was pregnant at that moment... But even still, that was a wasted opportunity. You strike when the iron is hot and Shayna was fresh out of NXT, came 2nd last in the Rumble and dominated the Elimination Chamber. Yep, Shayna vs Becky should have been the Rocky III storyline. The champion that's become complacent, lost their edge, and is believing their own hype, against the young killer. Shayna should have just straight up murked Becky at Mania. They also dropped the ball that night Shayna attacked and bit Becky, you had a great set up with how sadistic Shayna is, only to have Becky drive herself and return later in the night. And you could build to Shayna vs Asuka at SummerSlam. Give us a damn proper Shayna vs Asuka match and feud.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Dec 15, 2020 5:10:49 GMT -5
A real problem they have with Asuka is they build her up really well when she isn't champion, and is soon as she is they stop putting any effort into her
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 15, 2020 5:15:54 GMT -5
Asuka has the benefit of being popular and credible, but that just highlights that she is here to prop up the belt, not the other way around. They had no backup plan for Becky being gone, and it couldn't be any more obvious.
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Post by Glitch on Dec 15, 2020 5:40:19 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2020 6:10:37 GMT -5
Both shows are pretty much rotting husks right now when it comes to the women. Turns out having two year-long title reigns run concurrently was a really stupid idea for the longterm health of the women's division.
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Post by eJm on Dec 15, 2020 6:56:45 GMT -5
So yeah. That's Shayna's main roster career in a nutshell right now. I don't think Vince respects or cares about her, and I can understand why (for once). She doesn't appeal to audiences in any sort of department unless you want really technical wrestling. Which doesn't mesh well with the majority of western fans (no matter what western promotion and its fanbase is). Which then makes me go “Why hire her and why call her up and why give her the push in the first place?” but I’ve gone on so much about how much a joke WWE’s talent acquisition is, I’m almost pining for the days of Bruce Pritchard’s Build-A-Bear and Victoria’s Secret methods of talent relations. Almost.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Dec 15, 2020 7:02:12 GMT -5
Of course she is, because they had Bayley/Becky/Charlotte run train on the division for the last few years and now there's nobody left with any credibility on either show. It's why they needed to be booking the other women better all along and even when someone did lose to Becky/Bayley, they needed to NOT look like a f***ing goon in the process.
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Post by theironyuppie on Dec 15, 2020 7:19:00 GMT -5
Shayna should've beat Becky for the title at Mania. I get they probably didn't know she was pregnant at that moment... But even still, that was a wasted opportunity. You strike when the iron is hot and Shayna was fresh out of NXT, came 2nd last in the Rumble and dominated the Elimination Chamber. Yep, Shayna vs Becky should have been the Rocky III storyline. The champion that's become complacent, lost their edge, and is believing their own hype, against the young killer. Shayna should have just straight up murked Becky at Mania. They also dropped the ball that night Shayna attacked and bit Becky, you had a great set up with how sadistic Shayna is, only to have Becky drive herself and return later in the night. And you could build to Shayna vs Asuka at SummerSlam. Give us a damn proper Shayna vs Asuka match and feud. That’s the thing though. For the first few weeks, that looked like the story they were going with, with Becky becoming ever more cocky (bringing out the meme sunglasses, boasting she could beat all six women in the EC at once, etc; ) and not taking Shayna seriously enough, but then they abruptly shifted course after Elimination Chamber, with Becky reverting to her more usual character and pulling out that “black hole of charisma” line on Shayna to boot, which was the point at which online opinion solidly got behind Becky retaining. Of course, we don’t know how the feud would have played out if COVID hadn’t happened, given it obviously changed things.
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 15, 2020 7:42:44 GMT -5
I wonder how much of the problem is WWE not being great at booking champions/title reigns when they probably should be based around in-ring storytelling. Asuka obviously has tons of charisma, but since they won't have her cut long English promos I think they really have no clue what stories to tell with her, despite her NXT reign showing that building around what she and her opponent do in the ring is likely the key to moving beyond the language barrier.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 15, 2020 8:28:32 GMT -5
Asuka's in such a weird position because they're clearly higher on her than people think, yet for all the accolades they've given her (first Women's Rumble winner, Raw Women's Champ, SD Women's Champ, Women's Tag Champ, beat Becky via submission when Becky was at her most popular) there's still that feeling they don't know how to properly book her. The main roster isn’t structured in such a way that she can run through everyone and go undefeated for a year and a half like in NXT. The insistence on having her on every week, the reluctance to use outside enhancement talents, the inability/refusal to cycle talents in and out on a regular basis... Until that changes, they COULD try that, but she’d be 60-0 in a year with like 20 of those wins being over Dana Brooke and we’d be bored of it by spring. F***, a lot of us were getting bored of it in NXT, I know I was. She should have lost to Ember before she left NXT
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Post by Hypnosis on Dec 15, 2020 8:38:45 GMT -5
The main roster isn’t structured in such a way that she can run through everyone and go undefeated for a year and a half like in NXT. The insistence on having her on every week, the reluctance to use outside enhancement talents, the inability/refusal to cycle talents in and out on a regular basis... Until that changes, they COULD try that, but she’d be 60-0 in a year with like 20 of those wins being over Dana Brooke and we’d be bored of it by spring. F***, a lot of us were getting bored of it in NXT, I know I was. She should have lost to Ember before she left NXT There was some pushback on that idea here because Moon's character since arriving in WWE hasn't been consistent. She has the mysterious entrance and look, then she's pandering to the crowd. If it weren't for that, I think there would have been a better reception to Asuka losing the title to Moon, had it happened.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 15, 2020 8:42:54 GMT -5
She should have lost to Ember before she left NXT There was some pushback on that idea here because Moon's character since arriving in WWE hasn't been consistent. She has the mysterious entrance and look, then she's pandering to the crowd. If it weren't for that, I think there would have been a better reception to Asuka losing the title to Moon, had it happened. That’s hindsight. At that time, Ember Moon was still in developmental and the only person Asuka had to cheat against TWICE to actually beat her. The story was Ember had Asuka number and they didn’t pull the trigger. Instead she won the title after Asuka left and got a hug
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 15, 2020 9:03:58 GMT -5
I wonder how much of the problem is WWE not being great at booking champions/title reigns when they probably should be based around in-ring storytelling. Asuka obviously has tons of charisma, but since they won't have her cut long English promos I think they really have no clue what stories to tell with her, despite her NXT reign showing that building around what she and her opponent do in the ring is likely the key to moving beyond the language barrier. Oh god, I mean how many times have we seen the big babyface chase where they beat f***in’ everybody on the way up the gold like absolute terminators... Then once they have the gold, who’s left? Ziggler or Kane or Natalya or Big Show, all these people that seemingly only exist to be a title challenger once a year.
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Post by Sparvid on Dec 15, 2020 9:04:33 GMT -5
I just realized that they randomly gave away the first Asuka/Shayna singles match on Raw last week. Guess I just assumed that they had already wrestled months ago.
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Post by Hypnosis on Dec 15, 2020 9:10:36 GMT -5
There was some pushback on that idea here because Moon's character since arriving in WWE hasn't been consistent. She has the mysterious entrance and look, then she's pandering to the crowd. If it weren't for that, I think there would have been a better reception to Asuka losing the title to Moon, had it happened. That’s hindsight. At that time, Ember Moon was still in developmental and the only person Asuka had to cheat against TWICE to actually beat her. The story was Ember had Asuka number and they didn’t pull the trigger. Instead she won the title after Asuka left and got a hug There's one thing I do agree with, and that's Asuka losing the title to someone before she left NXT, so that their women's division is still strong even after her departure.
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Post by eJm on Dec 15, 2020 9:19:32 GMT -5
There was some pushback on that idea here because Moon's character since arriving in WWE hasn't been consistent. She has the mysterious entrance and look, then she's pandering to the crowd. If it weren't for that, I think there would have been a better reception to Asuka losing the title to Moon, had it happened. That’s hindsight. At that time, Ember Moon was still in developmental and the only person Asuka had to cheat against TWICE to actually beat her. The story was Ember had Asuka number and they didn’t pull the trigger. Instead she won the title after Asuka left and got a hug And even then, the character thing was an issue since he started and even with that she was over even if Asuka was more over. You either bite the bullet and do it or make your women’s division look like goobers for the second time in a couple of years.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Dec 15, 2020 9:30:52 GMT -5
It says a lot about the state of both brands' divisions when the Raw one doesn't have a PPV challanger and SD has a recently returning Carmella. Don't get me wrong, 'Mella has come a ways, but by no means should she be the top heel challenger right now.
Again, and I sound like a broken record, but this is the result of putting no thought into 90% of the women's roster over the last few years: You get this crap on a stick
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Dec 15, 2020 9:38:57 GMT -5
The issue Asuka's current reign has had is that there's basically nobody else over or believable enough on the roster to be a real challenge to her. Outside of feuding with Charlotte again for the 5 millionth time, who else even IS THERE?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2020 10:04:13 GMT -5
It is already been said...there is literally no one in the Raw womens division that is in any position to take the belt off of Asuka because they spent quite the ammount between Becky and Charlotte over the last nearly 2yrs killing the rest of the division to prop them up.
And that is what has killed Asukas reign because bless her she is doing the best with what she is given and what is given is just scraps.
SD isn't miles better but atleast Carmella and Bianca freshen things up a bit over there even though Carmella is very likely just a one and done.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 15, 2020 10:19:41 GMT -5
Seems like the top women’s champ is tied up in something else around this time of year because they are killing time until the Rumble. Same thing happened last year with Becky.
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