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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2020 13:38:03 GMT -5
IMO Io is the most important woman in NXT and you saw why on lastnights show.....consistency. Indi and Shotzi did not have a good match Rhea and Toni people were really iffy if they could overcome their bad track record Io is the only woman who no one ever questions the quality you are getting when she wrestles it is going to be banger of a match and we have said it in other threads she can wrestle any style and wrestle anyone and every single woman comes out of a match with her looking better. You can call up any other woman and NXT will be fine....but Io should not even be in the conversation of being called up anytime soon because Io is the preverbial rising tide that lifts all boats. I’m with you that Io’s really really good, but let’s not short change the rest of the division. Rhea is almost on her level, yes she’s that good. Ember (character work aside) is incredible in the ring still. Raquel is ascending. I continue to undersell Candice’s abilities despite her showing out every single time she wrestles. There’s so many good wrestlers down there that even a loss like Io isn’t going to hurt their momentum that badly. It’ll be a loss for sure, but not some crippling blow. I am not saying the rest of the women are not talented because they damn sure are if they weren't this would not be seen as the best womens division atleast in the western side of the world. I am just saying of all the women and this just comes from someone who has been watching and been a fan of Io since she debuted in Stardom that Io's skill set and her ability to work any style and work with anyone consistently at the quality of matches she puts on IMO makes her the most important right now of all the women like I said IMO you can have iffy nights with pretty much all the other women some nights just aren't good nights because their chemistry isn't there or whatever but Io seemingly does not have this issue and having that is rare especially in a female talent IMO. The rest of the women are amazing but Io from all I have watched of her till now is IMO on her own level.
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Post by gl83 on Dec 23, 2020 23:02:03 GMT -5
I think the biggest drawback is when it comes to the Face-Heel balance in the women's division. Rhea and Io are their Top Faces, but once they're gone, there is going to be a severe lack of Top Faces. On the Heel side you got: Candice, Toni, Dakota, Raquel, a newly-returned Mercedes Martinez and Indi Hartwell. Meanwhile, on the Face side you only have Shotzi, Ember and a injury-prone Tegan Nox.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2020 23:13:48 GMT -5
I think the biggest drawback is when it comes to the Face-Heel balance in the women's division. Rhea and Io are their Top Faces, but once they're gone, there is going to be a severe lack of Top Faces. On the Heel side you got: Candice, Toni, Dakota, Raquel, a newly-returned Mercedes Martinez and Indi Hartwell. Meanwhile, on the Face side you only have Shotzi, Ember and a injury-prone Tegan Nox. Literally just brought this up in the NYE thread. They have nicely built the heel side back up very strongly but now they gotta bring the babyface side up with it especially as they are about to lose Rhea Ripley to the main roster. It is not noticable because the crown jewels of their womens division are on the babyface side but like I said one is gonna be gone soon and that is gonna really hurt the depth of the babyfaces. I mean they can offset this by booking the babyface women even stronger but that can be a double edged sword so.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 23, 2020 23:27:14 GMT -5
Yeah, I think one of the heels mentioned are gonna have to be turned face to balance things out a bit (especially once this scary Triad leader woman debuts as well), because there isn’t exactly a massive free agent linked to them or someone in the PC that could slot in as a ready-made top babyface (unless someone else moves back from the main roster like Moon did). But who?
Storm just turned. Martinez just returned to TV. LeRae and Hartwell have a lot of life in their act to go yet. And Gonzalez is all set to be the lead monster in the division in 2021. This kind of leaves Kai as the odd woman out to me.
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Post by gl83 on Dec 23, 2020 23:39:33 GMT -5
Yeah, I think one of the heels mentioned are gonna have to be turned face to balance things out a bit (especially once this scary Triad leader woman debuts as well), because there isn’t exactly a massive free agent linked to them or someone in the PC that could slot in as a ready-made top babyface (unless someone else moves back from the main roster like Moon did). But who? Storm just turned. Martinez just returned to TV. LeRae and Hartwell have a lot of life in their act to go yet. And Gonzalez is all set to be the lead monster in the division in 2021. This kind of leaves Kai as the odd woman out to me. Yeah, of all the women on the Heel side, Dakota makes the most sense to turn Face. I mean she's been a workhorse, putting on excellent matches and giving good performances all year long against a variety of opponents. Just going off social media, the heat that Dakota got from betraying Tegan Nox last year has slowly melted away to respect and appreciation for her work this year.
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Post by mistery on Dec 23, 2020 23:48:26 GMT -5
I think it really depends. But if the imbalance remains, I can't see the title leaving the babyface side until its more balanced. Which likely means Io is in for a long reign still.
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Post by gl83 on Dec 23, 2020 23:57:26 GMT -5
I think it really depends. But if the imbalance remains, I can't see the title leaving the babyface side until its more balanced. Which likely means Io is in for a long reign still. Yeah. The way things are setting up, I'm guessing that Io goes over Mercedes in January, Toni Storm at Takeover: 33, and Raquel in March. After that, is probably a mystery. With how deep the division is, they could probably have Io drop the title in a Gauntlet Eliminator against Candice/Shotzi/Dakota/Raquel/Mercedes/Toni/Ember.
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Post by sportatorium on Dec 25, 2020 20:21:30 GMT -5
Shotzi will be over with a live crowd. Ripley & Io are both great, but if they move on- they have a star with Shotzi.
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Post by mistery on Dec 26, 2020 15:55:50 GMT -5
Shotzi will be over with a live crowd. Ripley & Io are both great, but if they move on- they have a star with Shotzi. Shotzi isn't enough, to be honest. Plus if her match with Indi was any indication from last week, she is nowhere near ready to lead the division. That match was probably the worst NXT Women's match of 2020 by a fairly wide margin. It was botch filled, slow as hell, and just a disaster from a booking perspective. Plus you have to look at this from a ratings perspective as well. Io, Rhea, and Finn are your three biggest draws on NXT by an incredibly wide margin right now. Losing both Rhea and Io in a short timeframe would be a disaster. Plus I don't think Io has any real desire to move up right now, and I can understand why. Look at what happened to Kairi. An easy top babyface star, and completely ruined within a month. I have a feeling Io's ceiling on the main roster would be putting over Charlotte so WWE can try and push the narrative that she (Charlotte) is the actual best wrestler in the world and the greatest of all time.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2020 16:36:05 GMT -5
Shotzi will be over with a live crowd. Ripley & Io are both great, but if they move on- they have a star with Shotzi. It really is not the star power in question atleast to me it is the consistency of match quality. There is not a woman in NXT that is as consistent on the level Io wrestles at and that is has been noticable I pointed it out that you can take every other woman and be like oh yea this one has good to great chemistry here but when she wrestles so and so it becomes iffy or they just don't mix. Io is the only that never has an issue no matter who she wrestles and that is a huge part of what makes NXT's womens division the best and why if she gets called up anytime soon that the division is going to suffer...she had never wrestled Shotzi prior to wrestling her awhile back in NXT prior to wargames but first time in and she gives Shotzi her star making performance but then Shotzi goes off to wrestle Toni and people were a bit iffy on it , it wasn't terrible but you saw that obvious dip in quality because her opponent was not Io. The star power is never going to be in question with the NXT women they are f***ing loaded for years to come but the match quality and consistency without having the best womens wrestler in the world if she gets called up is what will take a noticable hit IMO.
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Post by lucas_lee on Dec 26, 2020 17:11:52 GMT -5
When the pandemic clears up remember WWE has Sarree and Mayu coming in so that'll help out
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2020 17:39:06 GMT -5
When the pandemic clears up remember WWE has Sarree and Mayu coming in so that'll help out Wait what? Mayu? where did you read this? because I have seen nothing about Mayu being courted by WWE let alone confirmed that she is WWE bound.
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Post by lucas_lee on Dec 26, 2020 17:41:11 GMT -5
When the pandemic clears up remember WWE has Sarree and Mayu coming in so that'll help out Wait what? Mayu? where did you read this? because I have seen nothing about Mayu being courted by WWE let alone confirmed that she is WWE bound. I thought I've seen Mayu WWE bound but Im not too sure
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Post by sunnytaker on Dec 26, 2020 17:42:43 GMT -5
dakota i can see turning face if/when raquel decides she doesn;t need her anymore. they're starting to mention on commentary how much dakota needs raquel to win during the rhea match and if/when raquel beats rhea (assuming rhea loses before getting called up) that will be more evidence for raquel that she doesn't need dakota anymore since she just beat the person dakota couldn't. plus dakota's so sweet on twitch i don;t really want to boo her in ring- though i'm sure she'd have to do a redemption arc to get the face side to trust her again.
as for io/rhea leaving in a way i see that helping the women's division in a way. those two have a higher star power level than the rest so them staying around makes it a bit tougher for anyone else to stand out though shotzi is certainly making progress. remove them from the division and loook at everyone else. is there any one person you can see dominating the division like asuka/shayna/Io have? so pretty much any title match you can run it's believable that either person could come out on top and possibly more title hotshotting to show how even the division is minus Io/rhea.
i do fear more for Io on the main roster than Rhea though. vince and Asian wrestlers never seem to end well for the wrestlers. on the other hand i'd love to see asuka and Io vs the horsewomen- too bad kairi left to help even the odds.
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Post by mistery on Dec 26, 2020 17:59:32 GMT -5
When the pandemic clears up remember WWE has Sarree and Mayu coming in so that'll help out Mayu has made it clear in the past that she has zero desire to sign full time with a western promotion. She gets severe anxiety and has panic attacks being outside of Japan for too long. If anyone jumps ship from STARDOM next, it will probably be either Giulia (she has very high ambitions, and sticking around Japan won't let her achieve it) or Momo (since she's being severely mishandled by STARDOM). And I'm worried about Sareee in WWE, if just for the fact that she's almost completely non-existent as a character.
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Post by gl83 on Dec 26, 2020 18:01:01 GMT -5
dakota i can see turning face if/when raquel decides she doesn;t need her anymore. they're starting to mention on commentary how much dakota needs raquel to win during the rhea match and if/when raquel beats rhea (assuming rhea loses before getting called up) that will be more evidence for raquel that she doesn't need dakota anymore since she just beat the person dakota couldn't. plus dakota's so sweet on twitch i don;t really want to boo her in ring- though i'm sure she'd have to do a redemption arc to get the face side to trust her again. as for io/rhea leaving in a way i see that helping the women's division in a way. those two have a higher star power level than the rest so them staying around makes it a bit tougher for anyone else to stand out though shotzi is certainly making progress. remove them from the division and loook at everyone else. is there any one person you can see dominating the division like asuka/shayna/Io have? so pretty much any title match you can run it's believable that either person could come out on top and possibly more title hotshotting to show how even the division is minus Io/rhea. i do fear more for Io on the main roster than Rhea though. vince and Asian wrestlers never seem to end well for the wrestlers. on the other hand i'd love to see asuka and Io vs the horsewomen- too bad kairi left to help even the odds. That's not anything new. They've been talking about Dakota needing Raquel ever since Raquel aligned herself with Dakota back at Takeover: Portland earlier this year. The new thing that I've noticed is that commentary has been putting over Dakota's toughness and grit, starting at War Games and again on NXT. Which is odd because those traits are something that are usually used to describe a Face as opposed to a Heel.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2020 18:18:54 GMT -5
When the pandemic clears up remember WWE has Sarree and Mayu coming in so that'll help out Mayu has made it clear in the past that she has zero desire to sign full time with a western promotion. She gets severe anxiety and has panic attacks being outside of Japan for too long. If anyone jumps ship from STARDOM next, it will probably be either Giulia (she has very high ambitions, and sticking around Japan won't let her achieve it) or Momo (since she's being severely mishandled by STARDOM). And I'm worried about Sareee in WWE, if just for the fact that she's almost completely non-existent as a character. That has been my same concern for Sareee very talented in ring but absoloutley no character. Hopefully she catches onto it the same way Io did in that her understanding and why her reinvention has went so well in her words is that western fans appreciate and latch onto personalities stronger than just being a great wrestler like a Japanese crowd does.
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Post by holyshida on Dec 26, 2020 19:32:50 GMT -5
Is The Rocks daughter still training? Maybe she gets called up for NXT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2020 19:36:45 GMT -5
Is The Rocks daughter still training? Maybe she gets called up for NXT Gonna be honest idk how much of a career she has as a wrestler because she apparently has already had 3 knee surgies by the age of 19.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Dec 26, 2020 20:28:15 GMT -5
Wait what? Mayu? where did you read this? because I have seen nothing about Mayu being courted by WWE let alone confirmed that she is WWE bound. I thought I've seen Mayu WWE bound but Im not too sure Don't think there's been any Mayu rumors at all. You may be mixing her up with Meiko Satomura? She's going to be working with NXT UK as a trainer/wrestler. } When the pandemic clears up remember WWE has Sarree and Mayu coming in so that'll help out Mayu has made it clear in the past that she has zero desire to sign full time with a western promotion. She gets severe anxiety and has panic attacks being outside of Japan for too long. If anyone jumps ship from STARDOM next, it will probably be either Giulia (she has very high ambitions, and sticking around Japan won't let her achieve it) or Momo (since she's being severely mishandled by STARDOM). And I'm worried about Sareee in WWE, if just for the fact that she's almost completely non-existent as a character. To her credit Sareee has been showing a lot of fun character work in her odd couple tag team and being more lively in her "WWE Countdown" resumption of wrestling in Japan, but she'll probably need something more...I dunno, exaggerated to work with in WWE.
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