|
|
Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on Dec 26, 2020 15:12:24 GMT -5
|
|
|
|
Post by CMPunkyBrewster on Dec 26, 2020 15:30:24 GMT -5
....but why?
|
|
chazraps
Wade Wilson
Better have my money when I come-a collect!
Posts: 27,955 
|
Post by chazraps on Dec 26, 2020 15:34:21 GMT -5
Before we get into this, can someone please first clarify the relationship between IWTV and Smart Mark Video? Did IW outright buy Smart Mark or was it more of a merger? That's unclear to me.
|
|
lucas_lee
Hank Scorpio
Heel turn is finished, now stripping away my personality
Posts: 6,697
|
Post by lucas_lee on Dec 26, 2020 17:56:05 GMT -5
They merged. They're basically the same thing. IWTV is the streaming service, SMV handles the video production and physical media. From what I gather, this comes down to SMV/IWTV shooting all of the GCW shows regardless of where they air (whether it's on IWTV or FITE or otherwise, the same people from SMV/IWTV are handling the production), and thus SMV owns the footage. GCW apparently wants to own their own footage, so they want out of the agreement. This is sort of why CHIKARA broke away from them, wanting to not have to split the money with anyone else. More often than not, promotions end up having crappier looking video production once they break away from established production companies. They own 100% of their crappier looking production though! This must be a case of GCW wanting to do something with their older footage and SMV/IWTV shooting them down. From what I gathered IWTV is telling GCW they don't own their master footage which is BS. Although GCW hasn't been releasing that much footage to begin with |
|
lucas_lee
Hank Scorpio
Heel turn is finished, now stripping away my personality
Posts: 6,697
|
Post by lucas_lee on Dec 26, 2020 18:03:17 GMT -5
Also Danny DeManto had a messy breakup with GCW and his new company is slowly taking GCWs stranglehold on the deathmatch genre. Having that promotion might a tiny source of contemption with GCW. I do hope they resolve things though but neither needs the other
|
|
chazraps
Wade Wilson
Better have my money when I come-a collect!
Posts: 27,955
|
Post by chazraps on Dec 26, 2020 18:16:00 GMT -5
They merged. They're basically the same thing. IWTV is the streaming service, SMV handles the video production and physical media. From what I gather, this comes down to SMV/IWTV shooting all of the GCW shows regardless of where they air (whether it's on IWTV or FITE or otherwise, the same people from SMV/IWTV are handling the production), and thus SMV owns the footage. GCW apparently wants to own their own footage, so they want out of the agreement. This is sort of why CHIKARA broke away from them, wanting to not have to split the money with anyone else. More often than not, promotions end up having crappier looking video production once they break away from established production companies. They own 100% of their crappier looking production though! This must be a case of GCW wanting to do something with their older footage and SMV/IWTV shooting them down. Thanks for the clarification. Prior to CHIKARA, had any other companies had issues with SMV? They've been around so long they've seemed like one of the more promotion-friendly industry-friendly entities. |
|
lucas_lee
Hank Scorpio
Heel turn is finished, now stripping away my personality
Posts: 6,697
|
Post by lucas_lee on Dec 26, 2020 18:21:50 GMT -5
They merged. They're basically the same thing. IWTV is the streaming service, SMV handles the video production and physical media. From what I gather, this comes down to SMV/IWTV shooting all of the GCW shows regardless of where they air (whether it's on IWTV or FITE or otherwise, the same people from SMV/IWTV are handling the production), and thus SMV owns the footage. GCW apparently wants to own their own footage, so they want out of the agreement. This is sort of why CHIKARA broke away from them, wanting to not have to split the money with anyone else. More often than not, promotions end up having crappier looking video production once they break away from established production companies. They own 100% of their crappier looking production though! This must be a case of GCW wanting to do something with their older footage and SMV/IWTV shooting them down. Thanks for the clarification. Prior to CHIKARA, had any other companies had issues with SMV? They've been around so long they've seemed like one of the more promotion-friendly industry-friendly entities. Not to my knowledge. Again GVW isn't a big presence on IWTV so its not going to make a difference either way. Im just not a fan of them trying to shotgun IWTV into releasing them. Especially since there's really no concrete reason and cryptic tweeting, I really hate that |
|
Facetious
King Koopa
ADAM COLE BAYBAY
Posts: 11,658
Member is Online
|
Post by Facetious on Dec 26, 2020 19:29:02 GMT -5
According to Brett, the deal with IWTV isn't sustainable for his business so he wants out of it.
|
|
lucas_lee
Hank Scorpio
Heel turn is finished, now stripping away my personality
Posts: 6,697
|
Post by lucas_lee on Dec 26, 2020 22:58:41 GMT -5
According to Brett, the deal with IWTV isn't sustainable for his business so he wants out of it. He honestly shouldve said that instead of cryptic posting. He seriously Torpedos whatever good momentum GCW has sometimes. Or not say it at all. This isnt how you should do things |
|
|
|
Post by IgnahtaSempria on Dec 27, 2020 10:53:12 GMT -5
They merged. They're basically the same thing. IWTV is the streaming service, SMV handles the video production and physical media. From what I gather, this comes down to SMV/IWTV shooting all of the GCW shows regardless of where they air (whether it's on IWTV or FITE or otherwise, the same people from SMV/IWTV are handling the production), and thus SMV owns the footage. GCW apparently wants to own their own footage, so they want out of the agreement. This is sort of why CHIKARA broke away from them, wanting to not have to split the money with anyone else. More often than not, promotions end up having crappier looking video production once they break away from established production companies. They own 100% of their crappier looking production though! This must be a case of GCW wanting to do something with their older footage and SMV/IWTV shooting them down. Thanks for the clarification. Prior to CHIKARA, had any other companies had issues with SMV? They've been around so long they've seemed like one of the more promotion-friendly industry-friendly entities. To be fair, Mike Quackenbush is a notorious cheapskate. Chikara separating from SMV may have had less to do with SMV itself and more to do with Quack just thinking he could get his students to record & edit the shows for cheap. |
|
|
|
Post by kingoftheindies on Dec 27, 2020 22:43:40 GMT -5
According to Brett, the deal with IWTV isn't sustainable for his business so he wants out of it. He honestly shouldve said that instead of cryptic posting. He seriously Torpedos whatever good momentum GCW has sometimes. Or not say it at all. This isnt how you should do things Yeah wasn't sure what was going on but GCW got a lot of flak for how they have handled this. Not gonna get into the who is right who is wrong since don't know all the details. But I am not the biggest fan of Lauderdale for various reasons so in some ways I gotta shake my head and chuckle. And of course Joey Janela got involved on twitter and made himself look like a goof |
|
|
|
Post by kingoftheindies on Dec 27, 2020 22:50:47 GMT -5
They merged. They're basically the same thing. IWTV is the streaming service, SMV handles the video production and physical media. From what I gather, this comes down to SMV/IWTV shooting all of the GCW shows regardless of where they air (whether it's on IWTV or FITE or otherwise, the same people from SMV/IWTV are handling the production), and thus SMV owns the footage. GCW apparently wants to own their own footage, so they want out of the agreement. This is sort of why CHIKARA broke away from them, wanting to not have to split the money with anyone else. More often than not, promotions end up having crappier looking video production once they break away from established production companies. They own 100% of their crappier looking production though! This must be a case of GCW wanting to do something with their older footage and SMV/IWTV shooting them down. Thanks for the clarification. Prior to CHIKARA, had any other companies had issues with SMV? They've been around so long they've seemed like one of the more promotion-friendly industry-friendly entities. Back when Zandig owned CZW he got into a pretty nasty fight with Matt Burns (the owner) who also happened to be booker for CZW at the time. But they seemed to work out differences over time. Honestly I've only seem indy companies have issues over money with whoever filmed the shows but (surprisingly or not) RF Video tends to be the filming company most promotions have issues with |
|
lucas_lee
Hank Scorpio
Heel turn is finished, now stripping away my personality
Posts: 6,697
|
Post by lucas_lee on Dec 28, 2020 0:18:10 GMT -5
He honestly shouldve said that instead of cryptic posting. He seriously Torpedos whatever good momentum GCW has sometimes. Or not say it at all. This isnt how you should do things Yeah wasn't sure what was going on but GCW got a lot of flak for how they have handled this. Not gonna get into the who is right who is wrong since don't know all the details. But I am not the biggest fan of Lauderdale for various reasons so in some ways I gotta shake my head and chuckle. And of course Joey Janela got involved on twitter and made himself look like a goof Yeah Brett did dumb stuff as a ref in CZW. I know he used to give results away to fans and such. And yeah Joey shouldve stayed out. GCW better be careful, ICW NY is catching up in terms of being a gritty underground promotion |
|
|
|
Post by DerktheDerk on Dec 28, 2020 0:26:21 GMT -5
He honestly shouldve said that instead of cryptic posting. He seriously Torpedos whatever good momentum GCW has sometimes. Or not say it at all. This isnt how you should do things Yeah wasn't sure what was going on but GCW got a lot of flak for how they have handled this. Not gonna get into the who is right who is wrong since don't know all the details. But I am not the biggest fan of Lauderdale for various reasons so in some ways I gotta shake my head and chuckle. And of course Joey Janela got involved on twitter and made himself look like a goof I cannot believe that galaxy brain Joey Janela made an idiot of of himself. No. Not him. Can't be. Refuse to believe it. Also, #FreeGCW is still too much for a GCW show. |
|
|
|
Post by kingoftheindies on Dec 28, 2020 7:43:14 GMT -5
Yeah wasn't sure what was going on but GCW got a lot of flak for how they have handled this. Not gonna get into the who is right who is wrong since don't know all the details. But I am not the biggest fan of Lauderdale for various reasons so in some ways I gotta shake my head and chuckle. And of course Joey Janela got involved on twitter and made himself look like a goof Yeah Brett did dumb stuff as a ref in CZW. I know he used to give results away to fans and such. And yeah Joey shouldve stayed out. GCW better be careful, ICW NY is catching up in terms of being a gritty underground promotion Not just that I think he has made some bad business decisions over the years. |
|
lucas_lee
Hank Scorpio
Heel turn is finished, now stripping away my personality
Posts: 6,697
|
Post by lucas_lee on Dec 28, 2020 9:47:25 GMT -5
Yeah Brett did dumb stuff as a ref in CZW. I know he used to give results away to fans and such. And yeah Joey shouldve stayed out. GCW better be careful, ICW NY is catching up in terms of being a gritty underground promotion Not just that I think he has made some bad business decisions over the years. Yeah the GCW Compound scratches my head, plus that failed invasion of CZW (mind you that DJ Hyde is a big creep) |
|
|
|
Post by kingoftheindies on Dec 28, 2020 10:34:08 GMT -5
Not just that I think he has made some bad business decisions over the years. Yeah the GCW Compound scratches my head, plus that failed invasion of CZW (mind you that DJ Hyde is a big creep) The whole GCW/CZW is a bunch of he said she said and I think both parties involved handled things poorly. But I also think GCW may be hurting financially a bit based on reading the tea leaves |
|
lucas_lee
Hank Scorpio
Heel turn is finished, now stripping away my personality
Posts: 6,697
|
Post by lucas_lee on Dec 28, 2020 10:35:57 GMT -5
Yeah the GCW Compound scratches my head, plus that failed invasion of CZW (mind you that DJ Hyde is a big creep) The whole GCW/CZW is a bunch of he said she said and I think both parties involved handled things poorly. But I also think GCW may be hurting financially a bit based on reading the tea leaves Yeah the canceling of The Collective is what hurt it. They lost a lot of money from venues and such not willing to refund them |
|
