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Post by zero744 on Feb 13, 2021 23:19:54 GMT -5
So not AEW related but at the end of No Surrender a video package placed for Impact hyping up the debut if FinJuice Who?
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Post by mattyy on Feb 13, 2021 23:21:48 GMT -5
So not AEW related but at the end of No Surrender a video package placed for Impact hyping up the debut if FinJuice Who? David Finlay and Juice Robinson from NJPW. They'll be in the Impact Zone on Tuesday.. along with probably Kenny and Private Party and Matt. who would have thought the one company uniting two of the biggest promotions in the world would be TNA WRESTLING.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Feb 13, 2021 23:50:13 GMT -5
who would have thought the one company uniting two of the biggest promotions in the world would be TNA WRESTLING. Don Callis.
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Post by chazraps on Feb 13, 2021 23:53:27 GMT -5
Finlay is still currently signed to Ring of Honor as well, right?
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Post by mattyy on Feb 14, 2021 0:02:11 GMT -5
who would have thought the one company uniting two of the biggest promotions in the world would be TNA WRESTLING. Don Callis. THE INVISABLE HAND MAKES ITS NEXT MOVE
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2021 0:04:58 GMT -5
Finlay is still currently signed to Ring of Honor as well, right? Him and Rocky Ramero were both in the pure title tournament. They pretty much said they were on loan from NJPW.
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Post by y4j1981 on Feb 14, 2021 0:44:44 GMT -5
So not AEW related but at the end of No Surrender a video package placed for Impact hyping up the debut if FinJuice Who?
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Feb 14, 2021 0:47:20 GMT -5
The TNA pivot is interesting to see after the AXS buyout and the whole "If you won't work with us we're cutting your deal and ending your contract ahead of its expiry" thing.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 14, 2021 4:20:32 GMT -5
FinJuice would be intesting to see pop up in AEW as well, just because then it leads to believe ROH is also kinda ok with this fluidity.
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Post by Rave on Feb 14, 2021 4:57:00 GMT -5
Finlay is still currently signed to Ring of Honor as well, right? He was injured partway into Lifeblood and just disappeared, so probably not.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 14, 2021 5:55:36 GMT -5
The TNA pivot is interesting to see after the AXS buyout and the whole "If you won't work with us we're cutting your deal and ending your contract ahead of its expiry" thing. Yeah, I don't think this would be likely if Callis wasn't involved. Anthem sure as shit wouldn't be inspiring any good will after having pulled that move. Granted, the pandemic changed a lot, too. Pride is going to be secondary to survival.
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Post by HMARK Center on Feb 14, 2021 6:20:37 GMT -5
Going by some reports, the other big reason this worked out is Anderson and Gallows; New Japan pretty clearly wants to use them in some capacity when travel is easier again, and combined with previous work by D'Amore and Callis (remember D'Amore personally apologizing to NJPW staff and wrestlers for how past TNA/Impact management behaved?) I think they were able to act as conduits to make a lot of stuff happen.
Kind of started with Chris Bey being in the Super J Cup, but FinJuice appearing takes it to another level. As for ROH, neither Juice nor Finlay have been under direct contract with ROH, as far as I know (maybe they were on 1-year, non-exclusive deals when the Lifeblood stable was attempted, not sure), but as said above Finlay did wrestle in the Pure Title tournament a few months ago, as did Rocky, which was likely part of the regular NJPW/ROH relationship.
Long story short: Juice and Finlay are under contract with NJPW, but they're getting some additional freedom for other places to work during the pandemic since neither has seemingly been able to get to Japan. Finlay has his family in the States, while Juice is pretty international at this point but has been in the west since the pandemic started, even though I believe he was talking about moving to Japan before everything went crazy.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 14, 2021 6:45:28 GMT -5
Going by some reports, the other big reason this worked out is Anderson and Gallows; New Japan pretty clearly wants to use them in some capacity when travel is easier again, and combined with previous work by D'Amore and Callis (remember D'Amore personally apologizing to NJPW staff and wrestlers for how past TNA/Impact management behaved?) I think they were able to act as conduits to make a lot of stuff happen. Kind of started with Chris Bey being in the Super J Cup, but FinJuice appearing takes it to another level. As for ROH, neither Juice nor Finlay have been under direct contract with ROH, as far as I know (maybe they were on 1-year, non-exclusive deals when the Lifeblood stable was attempted, not sure), but as said above Finlay did wrestle in the Pure Title tournament a few months ago, as did Rocky, which was likely part of the regular NJPW/ROH relationship. Long story short: Juice and Finlay are under contract with NJPW, but they're getting some additional freedom for other places to work during the pandemic since neither has seemingly been able to get to Japan. Finlay has his family in the States, while Juice is pretty international at this point but has been in the west since the pandemic started, even though I believe he was talking about moving to Japan before everything went crazy. That makes a lot of sense. Also explains why WWE initially threw huge chunks of money at the Good Brothers, since they still carry real currency in Japan, and this was when "NXT Japan" still potentially feasible. It's going to be very interesting to see how things are handled when travel is less restricted. On one hand, there will be less need for collaboration, but it's also going to be a lot easier to collaborate. We'll see then if good will keeps up.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 14, 2021 7:20:57 GMT -5
Going by some reports, the other big reason this worked out is Anderson and Gallows; New Japan pretty clearly wants to use them in some capacity when travel is easier again, and combined with previous work by D'Amore and Callis (remember D'Amore personally apologizing to NJPW staff and wrestlers for how past TNA/Impact management behaved?) I think they were able to act as conduits to make a lot of stuff happen. Kind of started with Chris Bey being in the Super J Cup, but FinJuice appearing takes it to another level. As for ROH, neither Juice nor Finlay have been under direct contract with ROH, as far as I know (maybe they were on 1-year, non-exclusive deals when the Lifeblood stable was attempted, not sure), but as said above Finlay did wrestle in the Pure Title tournament a few months ago, as did Rocky, which was likely part of the regular NJPW/ROH relationship. Long story short: Juice and Finlay are under contract with NJPW, but they're getting some additional freedom for other places to work during the pandemic since neither has seemingly been able to get to Japan. Finlay has his family in the States, while Juice is pretty international at this point but has been in the west since the pandemic started, even though I believe he was talking about moving to Japan before everything went crazy. Moxley apparently also worked very hard for this to happen. So honestly a lot of props to him, and I wouldn't be shocked if he kept this US title to keep the partnership going a bit more and built the belt up. A defense on AEW would go a very long way imo.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 14, 2021 7:24:00 GMT -5
Going by some reports, the other big reason this worked out is Anderson and Gallows; New Japan pretty clearly wants to use them in some capacity when travel is easier again, and combined with previous work by D'Amore and Callis (remember D'Amore personally apologizing to NJPW staff and wrestlers for how past TNA/Impact management behaved?) I think they were able to act as conduits to make a lot of stuff happen. Kind of started with Chris Bey being in the Super J Cup, but FinJuice appearing takes it to another level. As for ROH, neither Juice nor Finlay have been under direct contract with ROH, as far as I know (maybe they were on 1-year, non-exclusive deals when the Lifeblood stable was attempted, not sure), but as said above Finlay did wrestle in the Pure Title tournament a few months ago, as did Rocky, which was likely part of the regular NJPW/ROH relationship. Long story short: Juice and Finlay are under contract with NJPW, but they're getting some additional freedom for other places to work during the pandemic since neither has seemingly been able to get to Japan. Finlay has his family in the States, while Juice is pretty international at this point but has been in the west since the pandemic started, even though I believe he was talking about moving to Japan before everything went crazy. That makes a lot of sense. Also explains why WWE initially threw huge chunks of money at the Good Brothers, since they still carry real currency in Japan, and this was when "NXT Japan" still potentially feasible. It's going to be very interesting to see how things are handled when travel is less restricted. On one hand, there will be less need for collaboration, but it's also going to be a lot easier to collaborate. We'll see then if good will keeps up. Imo this partnership is only gonna ramp up when travel is free flowing. Too many wrestlers wanna work with each other, and per Meltzer there are a bunch of wrestlers excited to work Japan in the future. It sounds like they wanna map something out. If travel restriction lessens into this year, I could see a bunch of AEW and Impact talents showing up in Japan and vica versa in large and small ways. Wouldn't even be surprised if we got a big match at WrestleKingdom, not a whole card but a match at Kingdom would be a huge deal and might be a good goal to shoot for right now. A "Bullet Club US" vs "Bullet Club Japan" feels like a collision course down the road regardless, but that'd be a huge deal if it were to come to fruition.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 14, 2021 7:30:30 GMT -5
That makes a lot of sense. Also explains why WWE initially threw huge chunks of money at the Good Brothers, since they still carry real currency in Japan, and this was when "NXT Japan" still potentially feasible. It's going to be very interesting to see how things are handled when travel is less restricted. On one hand, there will be less need for collaboration, but it's also going to be a lot easier to collaborate. We'll see then if good will keeps up. Imo this partnership is only gonna ramp up when travel is free flowing. Too many wrestlers wanna work with each other, and per Meltzer there are a bunch of wrestlers excited to work Japan in the future. It sounds like they wanna map something out. If travel restriction lessens into this year, I could see a bunch of AEW and Impact talents showing up in Japan and vica versa in large and small ways. Wouldn't even be surprised if we got a big match at WrestleKingdom, not a whole card but a match at Kingdom would be a huge deal and might be a good goal to shoot for right now. A "Bullet Club US" vs "Bullet Club Japan" feels like a collision course down the road regardless, but that'd be a huge deal if it were to come to fruition. Oh, I am sure it won't just stop cold, I am not concerned about that. I just wonder how long.
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Post by EP 54 is banned from Collision on Feb 14, 2021 8:36:23 GMT -5
I'm going to be brutally honest here: If I was interested in NJPW guys, I'd watch NJPW. I'm not, so I don't. The idea of all these massive angles with invasions and a Bullet Club war absolutely fills me with dread. In a time where some of my favourite AEW guys can barely get on Dynamite because of a stacked roster, the idea of bringing in more people from outside and filling time with recaps of what happened on Impact or NJPW programming (which is what will have to happen to fill in those who don't have access to that programming) seems like it could cause damage to the brand in the long term.
I know the extra hour is coming, which would ease things a little.
I know the mega wrestling nerds are just thinking about dream matches at this point, which is fine. And having an occasional angle where a big NJPW star comes in and challenges for the AEW title, or a specific thing where NJPW supplies a trio for a King of Trios Tournament. that's great. If theres these big storylines and people hopping programming all the time? f*** that. I don't want it.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Feb 14, 2021 9:53:36 GMT -5
I'm going to be brutally honest here: If I was interested in NJPW guys, I'd watch NJPW. I'm not, so I don't. The idea of all these massive angles with invasions and a Bullet Club war absolutely fills me with dread. In a time where some of my favourite AEW guys can barely get on Dynamite because of a stacked roster, the idea of bringing in more people from outside and filling time with recaps of what happened on Impact or NJPW programming (which is what will have to happen to fill in those who don't have access to that programming) seems like it could cause damage to the brand in the long term. I know the extra hour is coming, which would ease things a little. I know the mega wrestling nerds are just thinking about dream matches at this point, which is fine. And having an occasional angle where a big NJPW star comes in and challenges for the AEW title, or a specific thing where NJPW supplies a trio for a King of Trios Tournament. that's great. If theres these big storylines and people hopping programming all the time? f*** that. I don't want it. I get that sentiment and it's fair. Honestly full on invasions to me don't sound all that great. Now are there things I want to see like Tanahashi and Suzuki get proper runs in North America to end their careers? Yes absolutely. But to me the big benefit is more for guys on the undercard. Are top AEW and top New Japan guys gonna face each other? Of course. But this also opens the door for guys like in AEW to do tours of Japan, likely allows the Dark/Nightmare Factory guys to get some experience with New Japan Strong. Then Impact also benefits from getting guys to develop from both companies. To me that is the big benefit.
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Post by eJm on Feb 14, 2021 10:23:03 GMT -5
I'm going to be brutally honest here: If I was interested in NJPW guys, I'd watch NJPW. I'm not, so I don't. The idea of all these massive angles with invasions and a Bullet Club war absolutely fills me with dread. In a time where some of my favourite AEW guys can barely get on Dynamite because of a stacked roster, the idea of bringing in more people from outside and filling time with recaps of what happened on Impact or NJPW programming (which is what will have to happen to fill in those who don't have access to that programming) seems like it could cause damage to the brand in the long term. I know the extra hour is coming, which would ease things a little. I know the mega wrestling nerds are just thinking about dream matches at this point, which is fine. And having an occasional angle where a big NJPW star comes in and challenges for the AEW title, or a specific thing where NJPW supplies a trio for a King of Trios Tournament. that's great. If theres these big storylines and people hopping programming all the time? f*** that. I don't want it. I get that sentiment and it's fair. Honestly full on invasions to me don't sound all that great. Now are there things I want to see like Tanahashi and Suzuki get proper runs in North America to end their careers? Yes absolutely. But to me the big benefit is more for guys on the undercard. Are top AEW and top New Japan guys gonna face each other? Of course. But this also opens the door for guys like in AEW to do tours of Japan, likely allows the Dark/Nightmare Factory guys to get some experience with New Japan Strong. Then Impact also benefits from getting guys to develop from both companies. To me that is the big benefit. I think this is where we end up going rather than any full on invasion angles. Like, yeah, we're going to get the Bullet Club vs. Bullet Club match but that'll probably headline a PPV with an undercard of other stuff going on and, say, Okada having a match on another or something along those lines. I don't get the sense (yet) that this is going to be like the dozens of Invasion angles before but more something to splinter off onto other things or be one offs or something like that and honestly, there's no harm in doing that. Also, yeah, getting people like Top Flight in Japan or even just people from the dojos on exgursions would only benefit those involved.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Feb 14, 2021 11:14:24 GMT -5
Going by some reports, the other big reason this worked out is Anderson and Gallows; New Japan pretty clearly wants to use them in some capacity when travel is easier again, and combined with previous work by D'Amore and Callis (remember D'Amore personally apologizing to NJPW staff and wrestlers for how past TNA/Impact management behaved?) I think they were able to act as conduits to make a lot of stuff happen. Kind of started with Chris Bey being in the Super J Cup, but FinJuice appearing takes it to another level. As for ROH, neither Juice nor Finlay have been under direct contract with ROH, as far as I know (maybe they were on 1-year, non-exclusive deals when the Lifeblood stable was attempted, not sure), but as said above Finlay did wrestle in the Pure Title tournament a few months ago, as did Rocky, which was likely part of the regular NJPW/ROH relationship. Long story short: Juice and Finlay are under contract with NJPW, but they're getting some additional freedom for other places to work during the pandemic since neither has seemingly been able to get to Japan. Finlay has his family in the States, while Juice is pretty international at this point but has been in the west since the pandemic started, even though I believe he was talking about moving to Japan before everything went crazy. Moxley apparently also worked very hard for this to happen. So honestly a lot of props to him, and I wouldn't be shocked if he kept this US title to keep the partnership going a bit more and built the belt up. A defense on AEW would go a very long way imo. Maybe Mox wins the match on the 2/26 NJPW Strong, does a few title defense on AEW programming, then loses the sequel KENTA match on Dynamite.
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